Over all , caucasian providers have been my worst experiences . Ebony have been my best .
I visited a new Ebony yesterday , she was as fresh as mountain spring water . She didn't need stinking perfume fumes to mask her sweetness .
If you would like details , PM , I would rather not offend in public .
If you have had a bad experience with an ebony provider would you see another. The reputation that some of these girls have built is a poor reflection upon decent providers. I'm curious to know your thoughts and experiences with such providers.
I've had both good and bad experiences with white, Hispanic, black and other races.
It's how the provider conducts themselves is a direct reflection of their being, not everyone else.
Galaxy
Two of my five worst experiences were AA.....but four of my five favorites are AA .....give me a young slim black girl any day.
It's how the provider conducts themselves is a direct reflection of their being, not everyone else.
Galaxy
How a provider acts and performs is an individual thing, not a racial thing. I can agree that some groups give the rest a bad name, but I can't see guys who are attracted to ebony providers swearing off the entire race because of what one did. You see this more with providers refusing to see AA men, but I think that has more to do with the HIV and Hep C rates, than just how they act.
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It is good to here that. As a newbie just starting I was wondering how big an affect this would have on me attracting clients.
As a black girl living in NYC, I can tell you that I feel successful and that all my clients leave very, very pleased.
Over all , caucasian providers have been my worst experiences . Ebony have been my best .
I visited a new Ebony yesterday , she was as fresh as mountain spring water . She didn't need stinking perfume fumes to mask her sweetness .
If you would like details , PM , I would rather not offend in public .
Sounds kind of silly, doesn't it?
Your question is just as silly IMO.
Lol ik it is silly. But I notice a lot of agencies do not pick up ebony's. I was once told by my former agency that they were not going to pick up anymore more ebony escorts because "they were not turning any profit because its harder to book appointments"
I can tell you my number one sellers for agency girls are "petite blondes" lol. I've ran agencies for about 10 years, and in my area the ebony providers are not the first picked for some reason, but that does not mean you as an Indy, can't have much success. It just depends on the area you are in. I have an ebony friend in the Carolinas, who makes bank there, and just about every place she chooses to go. Maybe you could speak with her and she can give you some pointers on marketing, where to advertise, etc. She is someone who has no problem talking to a new provider, so I can certainly ask her.
I think that would be awesome! She can emain me @ [email protected] if he is not a member.
Maybe manginasclade will chime in and shill for hookers of ALL races?
I'll bet he loves all of them LOL
And they all love him 
Is there an award being contemplated for being able to sucker a hooker into shilling for a john?
Your question is just as silly IMO.
Lol u guys are hilarious. And I think escalade is a ladies man 
Girly man
And an attention whore who has NO respect for discretion.
Be careful ladies...he's a slippery one LOL
If so, then I would tend to agree from his failed "tough guy" act.
SEA....then it may be a "lady boy"
Yea...tough guys who only can swear really scare me. What SexyMilf should be worried about is manginasclade following her back to PHX....and shilling more there for her. She'll be on welfare in no time at all!
You go for a certain look, but it's not based on race, at least for me. I have not been with many AA girls (or Asians), but the ones I've been with were great fun and I'd see them again.
Maybe that is a actor. I notice many of the ladies do not even take time to get decent photos not to mention the infamous self photos in bathrooms. So its safe to say you are looking for a polished look over average appearance?
In my experience having a good or bad time comes not from the race of the lady, it's determined more by whether I did my research or just shot from the hip and set something up. So in short its about the individual not about her race.
So are you saying that if a hobbyist has a bad experience it's likely because he just did a bad job picking a provider?
Yes most of my bad experiences, while there havn't been many, came before I learned how to research. Now I am much more selective about who I give my money to. P411 has been one of the best places for me to find great providers, coupled with researching them on TER. Skin color doesn't matter, its all about the connection and if you enjoy what you are doing. If so a good time will be had by all.
One can have a bad experience with any provider so, why would I not see other ebony providers on the basis of one bad apple
Sheesh I feel like a but for posting but I just had to ask. I figured this must be why agencies would not pick me up before I just decided to be fully independent.
I know I might have been a bit dismissive in my earlier reply, but I will concede that many agencies do not hire Ebony providers in the same numbers as they do ladies of other races. The reason has to be economic, I believe it probably is true that on average a woman of color is not going to command the same rates as a white woman of equal looks and performance. and this goes for black, brown and yellow.
That said, you don't need to be "average" as a woman of color, it may be necessary for you to lower your price point just a bit to get your foot in the door so to speak, but once you establish a reputation there is no reason for you to be any less successful than a woman of any other ethnic back round. There are many, many, many, very successful black escorts, I don't see any reason why you can't become one of them. (PS, I have no idea what you look like however, and looks definitely play a part)
Oops, I just remembered our conversation from last night, lack of GFE will most likely be a bigger issue than the color of your skin, I have to confess, knowing what I remember from what you had to say last night, I can not honestly say that I would book time with you no matter what you look like, sorry.
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The market is definitely skewed toward petite white women...they command the highest rates, and from what I've seen, do even better than real model types, especially when they also offer PSE. The agency crowd is even tougher in that regard. It's not just race...those guys discriminate against taller girls and chubby girls as well. Probably a lot of other types I'm not thinking of. I'm a tallish size four, and actually got told I was WAY TOO BIG and a 'monster' when I worked for an agency.
But the OP can probably do great as an indy. I've known ebony providers who can barely keep up with demand.
But the OP can probably do great as an indy. I've known ebony providers who can barely keep up with demand.
LOL at you being referred to as a monster. That is ridiculous.
I am tall modelesque type too.
I think op should change her thinking. It is not the "ebony" experience that is some how inferior or lackluster in comparison to her counterparts.
It is the agencies lack of knowledge in understanding how to properly market these women.
I started with an agency @5/600 p/h, 12 yrs ago. All agencies are not one in the same. It's finding the right agency in the right City.
I had a very pleasant and lucrative experience with an agency, without compromise to my bottom line
but even I wouldn't call a tallish size 4 a "monster" Now if you were 4' 11" and a size four, that might be a different story, but a tallish size four is hardly a monster, and that is coming from a guy who prefers them small.
FWIW, while I do prefer them petite, white is hardly a requirement for me. I would say If I see ten different providers in the course of a month, 4-5 will be asian 2-3 hispanic, 2-3 white, and 1-2 black. I tend to like little brown girls. lol
Your ratios seem to be on point in order of average height with bw being taller on average.
I recently saw someone who played bb ncaa mvp and I was too tall...lol! You must be tall too GG.
I maintain a size 2, but it seems the taller the man the shorter the lady he prefers.
The Napoleon's love me. Ha! Go figure.
XoX
I'm thin, but I'm definitely of a sturdier ilk, and athletic, so some guys find that to be a bit much. Nobody would ever call me small or willowy.
My first agency was 600-800/hr and I did have one walk-out (he wasn't the one who called me a monster, just politely said I was 'too big' for him and ran away screaming - jk on that last part). My next agency was 300-400/h...no walkouts, but one or two crappy reviews saying that I was too big, and even that my feet were too big (monster guy). I finally achieved some success when I went indy. I was very specific in ads about my active lifestyle and body type, so I got men who were very happy with me.
Anyway, if a girl isn't small-to-average, busty, young etc., agencies aren't the best place. So a girl told 'NO' by an agency, or who doesn't do well at an agency, shouldn't think she doesn't have a place in this business.
@BCB, I'm the opposite of you. I have had very few Napoleons...mostly average or tall guys.
and this is the stupidest question I have ever read.
Grow up, I don't want to play childish fucktard games.
Damn, truth hurts.
you wouldn't make such a stupid post. The OP is in San Diego and it's different than Wash DC were your reviews took place. Since I hobby in San Diego, it's pretty much Cali surfer blondes unless you're in the K girl scene in LA.
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Even if he was familiar with the local scene, he would still make the same stupid statement. Vern alterates from being enigmatic, to just being downright dumb. Sorry that yet another inmate from the P&R board seems to have escaped his padded cell.
You said her question was "silly"
Which it is, ain't like divorced guys swear off women, because they married a cunt.
Clearly not the case.
"If you have had a bad experience with an ebony provider would you see another."
That would imply race was a factor in the experience.
I can't fathom where race would play a part in the experience?
That's why I think her question was stupid
After all we live in one of the most unbiased and socially accepting cultures in the world!!
Do you you type with a blind mind ?
Seems like you, too, are guilty of blind typing. LMAO!
I've heard clients form all kinds of reasons to avoid Black ladies - most of them can be attributed to negative stereotypes and misinformation. In some cases, clients may overlook Black ladies simply because he cannot pass her off as "his niece" in public if the gent is of another race. 
With that said, if a lady presents herself as a professional, i.e. beautiful website & photos, well-written copy showcasing her personality - AND can back it up in person by being a lady at all times, articulate, showing up on time, clothing & hair that isn't flashy, maintaining her body etc. Brook St.James or Nicole Saunders are perfect examples of an upscale Black escort.
Inversely, there are men out there who are fascinated with the "ghetto girl" thing. There are escorts out there in that niche market who do very well.
For anyone who is interested, I am compiling a list of upscale Black ladies (500/hr plus, multi-hour minimums, reputable etc) for my links page and would love suggestions. Please email me
Can't underestimate the importance of the ad quality. Those cheesy iPhone pics in the bathroom mirror or showing the lady dressed as though it's laundry day with equally low brow text are not going to get me to call.
Have you seen the BP ads in La. lol. It is women of every race, every age, and every size using the same cheesy pictures and ignorant text talk. If you are cute and cheap, guys will still call. That's just a fact. More men here want a cheap fk with a cute girl, vs. one who can articulate past 4th grade. In fact, some guys get off more with a dumb ass, because it makes them feel more intelligent lol.
Some of the novice pro photographers here will take age and weight off her body without noticing they added years to her hands .
If her body looks twenty five, her hands look seventy , and her profile says 35 ,
something's not adding up .
I'll go for cheesy real deal self photos instead of photo shop cover up , any day .
That's the only way I can tell with any accuracy , her tens on looks are
actually a seven , from my perspective .
Had my two best experiences ever, with a self pic provider .
I'll take the real deal Alex , the forgeries are all yours .
Elli King Miami. Awesome.
With that said, if a lady presents herself as a professional, i.e. beautiful website & photos, well-written copy showcasing her personality - AND can back it up in person by being a lady at all times, articulate, showing up on time, clothing & hair that isn't flashy, maintaining her body etc. Brook St.James or Nicole Saunders are perfect examples of an upscale Black escort.
Inversely, there are men out there who are fascinated with the "ghetto girl" thing. There are escorts out there in that niche market who do very well.
For anyone who is interested, I am compiling a list of upscale Black ladies (500/hr plus, multi-hour minimums, reputable etc) for my links page and would love suggestions. Please email me.
I've only seen a handful of providers of color and I've sometimes wondered why more are not available. Certainly by percentage one could argue there are as many hot black women as there are white or latina or asian. So is it a lack of demand? Are ebony women just not on TER and the ad sites we use? Of course one could argue our society has conditioned us to find only white women attractive but I wonder whether that would apply to a polymorphously perverse group such as ours. Still far from any ill intent or conditioning this may be just another case of men choosing to bone the women they find attractive and if there were more attractive women of color they'll get their fair share. I think the sharp increase in the numbers of and strong response to Asian providers speaks volumes about what happens when the pool of available talent in a given ethnicity grows.
I spoke with an assistant (pimp) of providers last year in Baltimore while enjoying the museums of Washington DC. to discuss the possibility of an ebony provider.
He ended up hooking me up with a very light skinned ebony provider that was staying in the same Doubletree Hotel by the Baltimore airport.
I do love women that are darker skinned than me since I come from German blood with blond hair/blue eyes. This woman was so beautiful and sexy with those bee stung full lips and fully juicy booty. Darker women definitely have the advantage of having "baby got back" in the same way most black men are extremely well endowed where it counts in the bedroom.
I called the assistant later to speak of the great service from this ebony beauty. He said to me light skinned ebony women get so much work from hobbyists. On the other hand, he said he "can't even give away" the very dark ebony providers.
Is this racism or choice"?
I have always been attracted to AA.
When I had my first, I was so fucking in love.
I have not seen a provider that was AA not perform immaculately.
Your race should never matter. There are men who worship ebony providers and won't see Caucasian women. Your best bet is to not blend in with all the other Ebony providers. Find something unique about you, thst no-one else has and profit that way. Being black is A gift in this business.