I recently saw a girl who posted her rates for both GFE and PSE.  GFE was $400, and PSE was $500.

What is one to expect for the extra $100?  Maybe a little greek or MSOG?

I know some girls who offer greek and MSOG for their regular price.  Just curious to hear from the ladies as to what the extras are if you price things differently.

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First of all, GFE should include MSOG anyway. I can certainly see charging more for anal but, if that's what you are looking for, I wouldn't pay the higher rate unless it says somewhere in her reviews that she does anal. In fact, the reviews are the first thing I would be checking to see if there is any sort of distinction to be found between the two rates.
My problem with the whole concept of a double rate structure is that it leaves too much to the gal's discretion. If she is a well reviewed lady and you want to roll the dice I guess that's one thing but in many cases I think it just leaves to much gray area. I know that YMMV exists but paying extra for it is a no-go for me.

sometimes less kissing.

Those are my thoughts exactly, Boston.  I'm not sure why I would ever consider paying the $500, when I'm probably going to get all I want, and can handle, with $400.

Just seems like she's doing her clients and herself a dis-service to have a double-rate structure.

Right.  I get that.  But you usually will see a girl with PSE or GFE only.  Not one or the other.

So what's on this larger menu of services?  How much kissing would be "less kissing".

My point is it doesn't make any sense.

I know one girl with that rate structure and the difference is PSE includes greek. Regular rate includes everything else. In fact I saw a review of her where the guy paid for PSE, but they did not do greek, and she tried to give him a refund.

you can view it as charging more for certain activities, or charging less for those that aren't interested in the complete menu.

So instead of charging everyone $500 no matter what, she offers a discount of $100 to those not interested in anal or whatever else, so they aren't priced out of her market.

In my case PSE includes greek, rimming, fetish, role play sessions, photography and video..with MY camera, two girls, two guys, msog!

It is hard not to incorporate some of these into my GFE sessions as I just love one of those activities more than others.  I don't want to let that be known because I feel the extra money is deserved because of the recovery time after one of these sessions as well.  It is not "just" an extra hundred in my case as I do not offer PSE for any less than $800.  Even if I were to offer an extra activity in a GFE session, I would still be making $700 for ONE date, which is double the rate in my area. Naturally msog is offered in all my sessions because I feel at the rates I require, I do not have to see many gents to make my quota so to speak.

Most girls in that price range (varies by region of course) that provide either a PSE or a GFE at two different prices are doing so based on the general difference that a true PSE will require the expenditure of much more energy. It could be for some that Greek is included in PSE but not GFE, but it is more likely that she considers the GFE easier to provide. Things go slower and the energy levels are lower. Then again, there is a generalization by many that a PSE costs more so she charges more simply because she can. She may not feel there isn't much difference in effort. Best way to know for sure is to ask her, without actually using the numbers or the words money of course.

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My reviews have always made it clear that I enjoy cruising the mediterranean. However, as enjoyable as it is, the phrase "too much of a good thing is TOO MUCH" is definitely apt when it comes to med. cuisine. It is just not something I can do all the time. For a long time, it was never my policy to offer a different rate.

However, after one too many encounters where the gentleman made it clear that he had chosen to see me specifically for that service and was not happy that I had to decline, I decided to start charing a different rate. It works, I get fewer requests meaning I do not have to say no, and no more sending a gentleman away disappointed because he felt like he paid for something he didn't get. Everybody wins

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to me, PSE means a trip back yonder.  

If someone prefers GFE, I give them a reduced rate rather than charge everyone for a service not always wanted.

Come back, she gives me a nice massage, we neck and kiss and have sex in two different ways three different positions. Three hours.

PSE: I enter the hotel room, place the envelope. Short intro. She's wearing very short lingerie, no underwear. She kisses me deeply for a minute. In three minutes her tits are in my face. In five minutes, either she has my cock in her mouth, or I have my tongue on her pussy. We proceed to enjoy three kinds of sex, two or three fetishes, toys, and possibly anal. Three hours-- if I can make it.  

I expect pure uncut sex and fetish. It's not a "date," nor is it a time you can normally have from a civie encounter.  

I think now a days most hobbyist are already recieving PSE services For GFE prices..again..just my opinion

Now This is Only My Opinion

GFE- kissing,cuddling,not a clock watcher,,great conversation,appreciation and ofcourse class

PSE-bbbj,anal,a bit more hardcore,possibly spitting,pulling of the hair,dirty talk,multiples...


AGAIN THIS IS JUST MY OPINION

I think most gfe ladies are already going the distance for hobbyist,so in my opinion...the only difference is a TIP out of appreciation,.. again ..just my opinion

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Most of us here would say that BBBJ and MSOG are part of a GFE experience, not PSE. Part of the problem is that, in recent years, there is a certain amount of ambiguity associated with GFE to begin with. Adding  a new set of initials to define additional services only clouds the issue.

And to further add to the confusion, there are plenty of actual porn star escorts who don't do anal or allow MSOG in private sessions...

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I'm not one who has ever had different rates, but I think this is a very good point to look at.

I've always hated the "menu" subject, and although I'm often told by my girlfriends that I enjoy a wider variety of activities than some of them, it isn't something I like to "list" as it just feels tacky for me or way too business like.

The whole "GFE" label is confusing to me also in the first place, because as someone's actual girlfriend, I've always been an extremely sexual and sensual woman...so the things that people describe as "PSE" seem like "GFE" things to me.

I mean, sex is two people getting lost in one another and if you are with a lover and you're enjoying yourself, isn't the point to explore each other to your hearts content? And with repeat encounters...you generally seem to get more intimate, no?

I spend a lot of time verifying and if I don't feel we will be compatible we don't meet. I really only want to see men that I enjoy being with. Because I've done things this way so far I've ALWAYS met with men that I truly enjoy so there hasn't ever been a YMMV situation.

The one thing I have found, though, is that some men are much more simple in their desires.

Some men are only interested in typical "GFE" activities and actually, some men don't expect or want MSOG. There are some men who really are happy with spending some time talking, and then perhaps discussing things in french, and wouldn't even know what to do with an entire hour, let alone 2 or 3!

Although there are not as many of this type, it is fair to say that they might feel the rates are too high when they aren't interested in much else than  enjoying the company of a lady and 15-20 minutes of physical intimacy.

I think it's nice for the girls who advertise a "PSE" rate to offer a lower rate to those who don't want "PSE".

xo
Kim

This is one of the best definitions I've read of the differences, and with these descriptions I can see why it would be good to clarify what either person wants or expects.

I had no idea that many girls do not offer both.

Generally, most of my first time meetings in the past have been your basic GFE description, but once I know the person we often have a lot of both the GFE and PSE type encounters. It isn't necessary though to have the first "date".

Maybe if this was the widely accepted definition of each it would make sense to offer both in an advertisement as I would have no problem with either style as long as I felt safe with the guy I was meeting through referrals and or other verifications.

Which do you think is more popular, btw?

To me both are fun and satisfying, but there is definitely something wicked, naughty and exciting about your second description, which is basically "anonymous sex", just because it isn't something we would ordinarily run into in the "civvie" world, but more of a fantasy for many, and I for one find it extremely erotic.


xo
Kim

the way you described in your paragraph of GFE. I don't offer short dates so that whole "drop the envelope and attack you for non-stop sex," does NOT apply.  That is not necessarily a PSE.  Maybe the actual acronyms that come into play later, consist of that definition but rushing right to the sex is not something I have EVER done...period.

You should still feel as if you are with a GF, with conversation, kissing, drinks, bath, etc. but once the BDC activities start, it is a whole different animal!  There should be a very disctinct defintion of the two because many girls who claim to offer PSE have no experience in the area and many guys have complained about what they expected, and did not get. For some, greek IS a part of a GFE.

As we can see, there is not universal definition of PSE vs GFE. My opinion:

- I expect BBBJ to completion, with CIM
- spitting or swallowing is optional - provider's choice
- I expect a real sexy, horny attitude from the provider - she cannot wait to get to my d**k. No lovey-dovey, relationship type of stuff.

If I want to do something...I DO IT!  Fuck the money being involved...

xoM

I actually have an ex bf who LOVED it when I would show up at his apartment, not say a word...

....put down my bag, walk over to him with a sexy little smile on my face and my fingers pressed against my lips in a naughty "Sshhhhh" signal...

...then I would grab him firmly, yet gently, running my fingers through his hair, giving him a really nice, sexy kiss,...

...while reaching down and placing his hand up under my blouse and bra and onto my breast...

...then turning around and lifting up my skirt as I bent over the edge of the couch, his hand already making it's way under my panties...

There is something extremely erotic about an encounter like this one..why does every single one have to begin with talking?

In a word? B-O-R-I-N-G!  LOL

I've never had a bf who didn't enjoy some spontaneous fun. If you haven't had the pleasure I highly recommend it.

It can increase the passion you feel when you communicate with your partner in any way EXCEPT words!

xo
Kim

here but what I do with my clients who express to me that is what THEY want. Sorry but I don't jump on anybody I don't know without first bathing them myself, nor do I have dinner BEFORE I have anal sex or give the ole prostate a massage.


As for the boyfriend, I have the keys to his house and he has a door that opens right to his bedroom so I have snuck in many times, but again we are NOT talking about what I do with him. This is business!

I have to ensure that my "clients" time is spread out the way they want it and I have to ensure that we are both CLEAN before I am putting my tongue places we will not speak of.  Most of the guys that request my PSE service STILL want the "get to know me" part before we just get at it.  If a client "requests" that type of encounter or fantasy, that is another story entirely but most of the men I see would write me off as "rushed," "mechanical," and not gfe, if I did as you said even though it is supposed to be a PSE. Most guys don't want what you describe as they are still focused on that whole gfe environment with the romantic atmpsphere, cocktails, dinner etc. and THEN they want to get into all the kink when THEY are comfortable. Now, when they decide to repeat that is when they get a little more demanding in what they want. I offer all these types of sessions but they are designed for each individual's erotic preferences. If it were only as easy as you desribe honey...I could charge what I charge and be done in 30 minutes heheheh!

Your PSE sounds like what one would be expected to do if they were short on time, or worked for a service.  Come in, and attack one another. In my civie relationships that can occur anytime, any place because I KNOW and trust that person to be ready for, and CLEAN enough for "anything goes."  I let my BF tie me up, hand cuff me, blind folds, hands around my throat and whatever we feel in the mood for at that time, but sorry I know girls who have been gang raped for allowing that in this business.  What you described would scare off most of guys I see and they would be telling ME to take it easy!!!

Your PSE is my real life sex party 3 out of 5 encounters...but with the same guy.

And I wasn't talking about your boyfriend, silly.

I was trying to explain MY feelings about being a girlfriend, or being a GFE.

Sometimes men fantasize about a scenario where he walks in from a long day at work, or comes home for lunch, and his girlfriend, or wife, is there waiting to seduce him...no long conversation...no dinner, no sitting down to ask how your day was.

To ME spontaneous, hot, passionate sex IS part of being a GFE, and often I have known men who feel the same.

Afterward we can sit and talk over the chamoagne and strawberries.

It's possible that if MORE women thought this way fewer of their husbands would be feeling the desire to seek out escorts!

xo
Kim

I did not describe "my PSE".

I simply said that sometimes it falls under the GFE term to have some fun without sitting down for the "get to know you time".

No need to try to make insinuations that I am not concerned about safety, hygiene, or that I would ever "rush".

Since you have never met me you would not know that I am anything but a "rushed" experience.

I should have learned not to engage in conversation with you on the other board. You can't ever seem to just get along with another lady, instead you seem to want to put her down.

Nice chatting with you.

Kim

If you "read" you will clearly see that I said "IF I WERE TO DO THE PSE HE DESCRIBED THAT IS WHAT "MY CLIENTS" WOULD SAY ABOUT "ME." I have been in that situation so I was speaking only about ME. I thought it was self explanitory but I guess not.  I have no need to put you down as I have much respect for you in a very short time.

for zinafal..not you Kim. I'm sorry but they put it under the wrong name. Now I see where you are coming from.  I just meant that you and I do different things and have different views about this business. You seem to suggest that you have no lines between what you will do with a client and a real life boyfriend...also the reason you are recognized as a wonderful gfe.  I am not that way as I hold certain techniques and situations sacred for only him that I don't share with my clients.  I know how to take care of the men I date personally but I don't care to do the SAME things...other than the sex part with my clients.  I am simply torn is all and probably should not even be in this business right now.

Thanks for explaining.

I have been in a situation such as you describe but currently I am single and actually don't even date men outside of this lately so luckily have no emotional issues to contend with.

I completely see where you are coming from and understand. It is definitely different and much harder when you are trying to juggle a real life bf with this lifestyle.

My best to you.

xo
Kim

that means more to me than you realize.  I know I come off the wrong way at times and for the I am sorry. I truly think you are a wonderful person and I too wish you the best. I am taking a break from discussions on the boards for a while due to recent threats from members of another board. If our opinions and statements drive people to such lengths that they feel the need to get LE involved, and send harrassing emails, then it is time to give it up.  

Take care sweetie.