To he point ; without suggesting that comprehensive verification shouldn't  be standard operating procedure.. for the ladies that use P411 how many OK's or white lists give should I get?  
I ask because I have been putting emphasis on getting them to build up credibility...

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without any, but I would think some number larger than zero would also be effective.  

Yeah with 139 reviews and proximity to LA I see how things would be easier for you ... that doesn't apply to most people though

I'd say focusing on a "magic number" of OK's or whitelists is not what screening is all about. Part of it, but not all of it.

Agreed in fact I was so relieved when I knew that a provider I Was planning to see cross referenced my OK's.  It made me feel more relaxed about her ligitimicy as well.  It also boosted the ego to hear that the answer to would you see him again came back "in a heartbeat"  
As a relitive newbie I want to do this right... I can see a long future in this lifestyle

because p411 forces you to give them, unless you can give them a verifiable reason not to, which opens you up to backlash. So we have to actually pm the most recent ladies, and make sure they actually had a good session, this is how i've found out that some guys are not so savory, yet they had ok's.

CDL handle to get appointments. I give my first name, email address, hobby phone number, and two recent references of providers I've seen.  If that's not enough, and sometimes it's not, I move on to the next girl. Only one provider I've seen in 9 years figured out I was CDL, but I don't use her as a ref. I have seen over 600 providers, and I won't live long enough to see ALL of the rest, so I don't NEED to see any particular one. If the screening is too intrusive, IMO, I go to the next one on my list.

I believe it should be TOTALLY up to the ladies whether or not they want to give a client an Okay, they would mean much more that way. Just like a bad review, it could send the message to some "borderline" clients that they need to clean up their act if a lady refuses to give him an okay after seeing him.

Personally I have a couple of whitelists and a bunch of p411 ok's, none very recent because I tend to see the same provider(s) multiple times.  But lately have had no problem going with new (to me) providers due to the fact that "word is out" that I'm not a bad guy.  Last few have gone by my OK's alone.  Which is fine by me.  Because even though I WILL provide more info if necessary, I prefer (like every guy I think) not to.  So screen away, I am an open book, but yeah, if I don't have to open the book I am happier.
Btw, I dont review everyone I see, somerimes at their request, sometimes at my own discretion, so you wont get clues from my review list.

how pointless most screening may really be given that any level headed guy isn't going to request an okay or white list from a provider that he had a poor or so-so session with.  Similarly, an individual such as GaGa who sees a lot of women is going to have a pool of ladies who could serve as references.  He could merely choose the ladies that are more or less just going to say nice stuff about anyone and provide them to the provider (or the ladies that he tipped well).  Whereas Joe Snuffy may have a limited number of ladies to select from for a reference.  So that doesn't mean that GaGa is a better client than Joe Snuffy.  And if Joe Snuffy reviewed his providers (which he is using as references), then they may provide a recommendation that is commensurate with his review and/or may even feel jealous.  Separately, for various reasons, a few providers that I met with, for example, told me that they won't respond to PMs because they don't feel that it is ethical for them to answer anything that an okay doesn't already answer: the client paid me what I was supposed to be paid (at least my donation), arrived on time, was safe, had acceptable hygiene, and was at least "okay."  Some ladies will look at your reviews or white lists (or okays) to get a feel for whether or not she will be able to meet your expectations.  If all of your white lists (or okays) are from spinners, and you are requesting an appointment with a plus sized lady, then she might kindly note that in her response because she doesn't want to disappoint.  Also, ladies looking for repeat clients may question why a guy has so many white lists (or okays).              

IF the guy is level headed.  

And I completely understand why. Three weeks into my p411 membership, it's not fun to hear that ok's are running on the same track. Sonofabitch!

Its best for me to say...Also The 3rd time is A Charm. !!!

Was it one provider in nine years figured it out, or was it one provider figured it out and told you?

Most people on the boards seem to think that white lists are not that meaningful, but my experience has been just the opposite with providers who do not post on the boards.  I provide them my TER handle and they see 10+ white lists and for many of them that is all that they need to see.  In fact, many of them assign more "value" to a white list vs. an okay because they feel that it is more difficult to get.  P411 makes ladies make a decision whereas TER does not.  Most ladies probably just ignore a white list request.  A lady generally won't white list a guy unless the interaction was "positive" whereas a lady will okay a guy so long as the interaction was "okay."  A lot of people will disagree with me on this one.  But that is my opinion.    

I "could" have several more whitelists, but when a bunch of women told me they don't matter, I quit asking.

My experience has been that a slight majority "assign more value" to white lists, but that maybe 1/3 of ladies - who are very vocal about screening - take the position that they don't mean much and TER is not a verification site ... yada yada yada.  And people who post on the boards tend to take the position that okays are much better.    

I believe I have 3 white lists, from three of the most amazing women it has been my pleasure to see, but I never requested any of them.

if someone has a specific number of "okays" or reviews (though I think I'm less likely to see someone that has a large number of low rated reviews... but not always). I often go about my screening as though the person requesting an appointment with me has never seen a provider before so that i maintain a single standard for screening and avoid any complacency on my part. The big benefit to 'okays' or reviews is that you already have a list of people who you can contact for references if that person provided none in screening. At least in my experience, the likelihood I know or have worked with one of his okays/reviewed providers goes up with the number of okays/reviews that person has, which makes contacting fora reference a lot easier. Other than that, It doesn't really matter.. my goal with seeing anyone, regardless of how many reviews or okays they have, is to know the color of the spots on their dog.

More and More girls are not placing credence in the OK's and White Lists.
I wouldn't worry too much about stacking them up.  

I had always suspected your policy about giving okays was being misrepresented by some providers, Now it's clear for all to see, and it sounds perfectly fair to me.