I was just curious if most providers would charge something if I was taking you shopping and buying you stuff.  I think it would be hot to go to a costume/lingerie store and pick out outfits to wear for later that night.  I want to know what to expect before I suggest it.

but what do I know, i only have 4 reviews

Not for what we do during that time. So yes I would charge. I probably wouldn't charge my full rate, but I would expect you to book for a half night or overnight if you want to have an outing and then go back to the room and have fun. I think most girls would...

Their time, so I would be surprised if they didn't charge you, unless you have an on-going relationship that includes occasional OTC

Paying a provider an hourly rate and spending money on her to shop at the same time is worse then paying her to sleep. That sounds like a stage four mangina disease.
I would donate the money to a homeless shelter or a food bank before I would waste it like that.

…are possible for me, subject to certain conditions:

--  We have to have an ongoing relationship (I'm not buying her ten outfits and having her only model one or two for me before fun time starts--why should I subsidize her costs to the extent that I'm paying to enhance the next guy's experience?).

--  We have to be on at least an overnight, or preferably multi-day getaway situation, where the donation rate is going to be much more negotiable than it would be for a two or three hour date.  Even then, the provider is going to have to be the one to bring up the topic, while we're making our plans.  If she doesn't mention shopping beforehand, there's no way I'm paying for it in the heat of the moment.  If she does bring it up, then I'm going to push for a lower donation.  You can have $$$$ per day, or you can have $$$ plus clothes--you can't have both.  The only way I could see making an exception to this is if you had one of those semi-exclusive "light strings attached" type relationships.

Just my opinion, of course…

It could kind of be seen as a subtle barter...you are spending time with her and paying for her time with purchases rather than money.    

Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.

But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.

Posted By: OhCharlie

Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.  
   
 As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill  
 

Educate him of what? That he doesn't HAVE to take a girl shopping? Well, I'm pretty sure he knows that!  

Posted By: ChgoCPA

But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.  
   
 Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling.  And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL  
   
 For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem.  If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!  
   
 Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions.  And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.  
   
 Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?  
   

Posted By: OhCharlie

Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.  
     
  As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill  
 

What if she had to pay a babysitter for the extra hours she spent with you? Or what if she could be doing something productive during that time? Point is, you're taking her away from her life to do something with you *as a client* when she may totally prefer to do something else. Which brings me to my next point...

For some pathetic john to use this forum as a vehicle to equate to dating someone IRL is NOT normal.

Posted By: OhCharlie

Educate him of what? That he doesn't HAVE to take a girl shopping? Well, I'm pretty sure he knows that!  
   
 But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.  
   
 And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".  
   
 At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.  
   

Posted By: ChgoCPA

But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.  
     
  Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling.  And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL  
     
  For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem.  If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!  
     
  Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions.  And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.  
     
  Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?  
     

Posted By: OhCharlie

Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.    
       
   As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill    
   

Do you ever read a post? Or just do your best to get angry and insulting about it? Maybe if you'd stop acting like such an ass, people would treat you less like one.

Posted By: ChgoCPA

For some pathetic john to use this forum as a vehicle to equate to dating someone IRL is NOT normal.  
   
 But you keep on screaming that it is...and if you keep on telling yourself that it must be so.  
   
 Maybe mangina johnnie boy should be on a dating site..as that is what you are suggesting YOU are offering.  And in that case the guy will NOT be paying to take you shopping (or eating, sleeping or shitting).  
   
 As I posted prior...there's no shortage of lovelorn lost johnnie boys here.  And many actually believe the illusion.  Maybe the OP should ask the hooker to just go and enjoy the shopping...pay her for the hour or two BCD?  But to pay her (or anyone) to fucking shop...pathetic.  
   
 Maybe try and read the fucking posts...I wasn't commenting on YOUR self-esteem or problems.  But since you brought it up...should I?  
   

Posted By: OhCharlie

Educate him of what? That he doesn't HAVE to take a girl shopping? Well, I'm pretty sure he knows that!    
     
  But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.    
     
  And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".  
     
  At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.    
     

Posted By: ChgoCPA

But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.    
       
   Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling.  And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL    
       
   For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem.  If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!    
       
   Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions.  And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.    
       
   Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?    
       
   

Posted By: OhCharlie

Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.    
         
    As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill    
   

Holy Shit..i read that and had a " Taylor" flashback..where is Panthera?..

Posted By: OhCharlie

Do you ever read a post? Or just do your best to get angry and insulting about it? Maybe if you'd stop acting like such an ass, people would treat you less like one.  
   
 Lets start with "some pathetic John" using this as a vehicle of some sort. Are we all not? The married dude sneaking behind his wife's back, the divorced guy who has no interest in dating again, the single guy who moves a lot, the whole reason that each and every single person is here is because its an easy way to "date"*. Clear boundaries, clear expectations, and zero commitment.  
   
 *If you have a word for that, then please feel free to insert it there, and understand that I am talking about the same general idea, not the specific act of dating. We are all very aware that it is not one in the same, so for the sake of *trying* to have a discussion... I realize you may prefer the word "fuck".  
   
 This is why the GFE has become so popular, and why we try so hard to create a connection with the client, rather than just laying there and rolling our eyes. People want to feel normal, even if the situation isn't. Again, perfectly normal feelings and reactions, whether you choose to believe it or not. Does that mean that I or anyone else is trying to equate it to real dating? No. That's why johns still pay. But that doesn't mean that they all must immediately debase us girls into something to pound for an hour, and maybe tolerate outside of the bedroom. Just like you, everyone has things that they enjoy, and there really isn't anything more or less wrong about it.  
   
 You like things people consider fucked up, weird, pathetic, whatever as well. Maybe not according to you, but you do. That is life. The only difference is that you insist on degrading others based on your simple opinion, and choose to show people how you really are, rather than keeping it to yourself.  
   
 I am not even going to address the rest of your pathetic attempts at insults. Like I said, we'll watch  
   
   

Posted By: ChgoCPA

For some pathetic john to use this forum as a vehicle to equate to dating someone IRL is NOT normal.  
     
  But you keep on screaming that it is...and if you keep on telling yourself that it must be so.  
     
  Maybe mangina johnnie boy should be on a dating site..as that is what you are suggesting YOU are offering.  And in that case the guy will NOT be paying to take you shopping (or eating, sleeping or shitting).  
     
  As I posted prior...there's no shortage of lovelorn lost johnnie boys here.  And many actually believe the illusion.  Maybe the OP should ask the hooker to just go and enjoy the shopping...pay her for the hour or two BCD?  But to pay her (or anyone) to fucking shop...pathetic.  
     
  Maybe try and read the fucking posts...I wasn't commenting on YOUR self-esteem or problems.  But since you brought it up...should I?  
     

Posted By: OhCharlie

Educate him of what? That he doesn't HAVE to take a girl shopping? Well, I'm pretty sure he knows that!    
       
   But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.    
       
   And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".    
       
   At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.    
       
   

Posted By: ChgoCPA

But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.    
         
    Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling.  And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL    
         
    For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem.  If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!    
         
    Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions.  And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.    
         
    Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?    
         
   

Posted By: OhCharlie

Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.      
           
     As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill      
     

Because I pointed out the obvious? No ones here for a real date, but because its easier? And that we are all weird to someone? I don't know who Taylor is.

-- Modified on 9/7/2013 3:07:16 PM

After all you're paying for her time.

If that's what you decide to do with the time you've paid for.. that's up to you!

Personally if I were you I'd just give her a Victoria Secret gift card.  

I have to say this is a very sensible approach.  It is reasonable from both sides and totally captures the essence of two consenting adults with specific needs that they are trying to have met.  My initial instinct was to agree with CPA, and I totally see where he is coming from, but in the end for whatever my opinion is worth, I think you nailed it.

Posted By: tg_baby

What if she had to pay a babysitter for the extra hours she spent with you? Or what if she could be doing something productive during that time? Point is, you're taking her away from her life to do something with you *as a client* when she may totally prefer to do something else. Which brings me to my next point...  
   
 You're buying her lingerie that YOU want to see her wear. Not stuff she WANTS or NEEDS to buy. If you act enthusiastic about some garment she absolutely hates...she'll probably go along with it, *because she is doing it to please you* (that applies even if you tell her to be honest). She'll also pose for you in every single outfit, twirl in circles for you, let you pinch her ass, and talk to you/kiss your ass/entertain you for the entire time it takes to pick out what you like. Doesn't that sound a lot like work to you? It would feel a lot like work to me.  
   
 It would be different if we were shopping for, say, furniture for my house, or schoolbooks/work equipment for me THEN I probably wouldn't even think of charging you for that time.  
   
 How I'd price it: Say we had 2 hours BCD time planned, and about 2-3 hours total shopping time. I'd probably charge you my rate for 3 hours. If it were an overnight, or maybe even a dinner date, I may not charge you for the extra time. BUT it would depend on how much shopping time we were talking about. If it's 3+ hours...I'd charge more than I stated above.  
   
 SHE has to ENTERTAIN YOU while buying something YOU WANT = WORK.

Taylor's absence is a true blessing. Your presence here the same.  

Anyone with girlfriends or wives , has been coaxed into shopping for clothes or jewelry with her,  at least twice .
  There is nothing elaborate about being bored to despair  , while she tries things on she doesn't like .
   
   Only a mangina would pay to go shopping , or a Beta attempting  to socialize .

Posted By: OhCharlie

Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.  
   
 As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill  
 

Reading all these posts, I see two categories of people - providers who feel entitled to being paid for time spent buying them clothes, lingerie, whatever, and hobbyists who feel that these providers see each and every one of us as jerks who they can't stand spending time with unless they're being paid. Wow, if that's the way we all think of each other, it's amazing that we ever get together for sex or anything else for that matter.

I agree with you 100%. Don't forget our rates are for our TIME ;

That as well as eating, sleeping and shitting are all the same.

I might even have gone for that type of deal  LOL

Posted By: tg_baby

What if she had to pay a babysitter for the extra hours she spent with you? Or what if she could be doing something productive during that time? Point is, you're taking her away from her life to do something with you *as a client* when she may totally prefer to do something else. Which brings me to my next point...  
   
 You're buying her lingerie that YOU want to see her wear. Not stuff she WANTS or NEEDS to buy. If you act enthusiastic about some garment she absolutely hates...she'll probably go along with it, *because she is doing it to please you* (that applies even if you tell her to be honest). She'll also pose for you in every single outfit, twirl in circles for you, let you pinch her ass, and talk to you/kiss your ass/entertain you for the entire time it takes to pick out what you like. Doesn't that sound a lot like work to you? It would feel a lot like work to me.  
   
 It would be different if we were shopping for, say, furniture for my house, or schoolbooks/work equipment for me THEN I probably wouldn't even think of charging you for that time.  
   
 How I'd price it: Say we had 2 hours BCD time planned, and about 2-3 hours total shopping time. I'd probably charge you my rate for 3 hours. If it were an overnight, or maybe even a dinner date, I may not charge you for the extra time. BUT it would depend on how much shopping time we were talking about. If it's 3+ hours...I'd charge more than I stated above.  
   
 SHE has to ENTERTAIN YOU while buying something YOU WANT = WORK.

I know some providers that would. Me personally, I wouldn't.

I will be a "Mangina" right now.......Charlie is WAY hot!!!

I'd probably just refuse this particular excursion altogether, realizing (in this particular situation) that the guy expected massive OTC for an outing I wouldn't enjoy. Might as well ask me to go to Home Depot for power tools, lol. If we were shopping for something I wanted and needed, I'd likely go. (duh, lol)  

And those dudes typically give themselves away quickly...and I get that you wouldn't have any interest in OTC or any facsimile of it.  They are known as ingrates...always looking for a freebie.

Well, having gone shopping for "work" and "personal", I think there's a big difference, lol

Posted By: AnotherPerspective

    Anyone with girlfriends or wives , has been coaxed into shopping for clothes or jewelry with her,  at least twice .  
   There is nothing elaborate about being bored to despair  , while she tries things on she doesn't like .  
     
    Only a mangina would pay to go shopping , or a Beta attempting  to socialize .  
   

Posted By: OhCharlie

Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.  
     
  As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill  
 

And that is exceedingly clear.  

Wow. I'll agree with you on one point. Maybe several. This board has devolved into total BS. Same crap. Same people. Same old same old. I'll back again in a few months and prolly same the same thing.  

PITA is more accurate. I hate shopping for clothes so the only way I'm going with you is you either pay me or give me some other damn good reason to waste my time in clothing stores, lol. And no way am I accompanying you into a lingerie store, me at my age and you at your age, it's like grandpa taking his grandaughter to buy sexy underwear. Imagine the stares and weirdness, no thank you, not for me

I can't believe you of all guys pay for 2-3 hours of hooker time to take her out to dinner. You must have cash coming out your ass. My cash pays for pussy, period. Wasn't it you just making the argument that johnny boys pay for sex, not for hangout time? Then you go and do exactly the opposite of what you rail against, you big flip-flopper. I'm gonna start calling you Obamanable :-

They're par for the course, it's a given that nearly all reviews are inflated so we just subtract 2 from all scores to get the real numbers

We johnny boys ONLY pay for time, never for sex. For some reason, the guys here are confused and think they're supposed to be getting sex. I have no idea where they got this idea, we all know escorts are nothing more than companions who we take out to dinner and white house balls. Where did these guys get the idea that sex was part of escorting? No wonder we all argue so much about time. Thank you for making it clear that there is absolutely NO sex during your time and that's why what we do here is perfectly legal. We pay these lovely women to hold our hands and look beautiful in public, nothing more. Sex never even crosses our minds. NEVER.

-- Modified on 9/7/2013 8:58:14 PM

Bwahahaha!! All very similar reasons as why some of us charge ;-

Just b/c a woman approaches this biz as a business (which it truly is) doesn't mean she's jaded.

I will pay for BCD however...but I like to take my time playing.  So it's at least a two hour BCD followed by lunch or some outside activity.

Posted By: Polish_Pirate

I can't believe you of all guys pay for 2-3 hours of hooker time to take her out to dinner. You must have cash coming out your ass. My cash pays for pussy, period. Wasn't it you just making the argument that johnny boys pay for sex, not for hangout time? Then you go and do exactly the opposite of what you rail against, you big flip-flopper. I'm gonna start calling you Obamanable  
   
 

Let's say you had a job in the real world with a nice female boss (female to assume there are no sexual overtones). One day, the boss invites you out for a drink after work. Of course, given your business model that you don't give OTC time, you say, "Fine but I expect OT pay for the after-hours work of associating with you". How do you think your boss would react ? You think she'd extend your timecard for an extra hour or two and pay you 1-1/2 times your normal hourly rate? Or worse yet, let's assume you're a salaried employee so you get no pay for extra hours like most of us in the real world. I work 50+ hours per week for 40 hours of pay and I don't bitch at my boss for the extra hours I'm expected to put in. If I didn't put those hours in, I'd find my ass in the unemployment line and unlike you, I can't sell my body to eat.

-- Modified on 9/7/2013 9:42:34 PM

I'm not talking about holding her bags while she tries on something at the Gap.  I meant helping her pick out some lingerie or slutty heels (or Wonder Woman costume, love that stuff) from a porno store that I really want to see her in.  If I'm going to be spending a fortune on a couple hours with her, I don't see the big deal in wanting her to wear something specific.  Frankly, it would be a turn-on knowing she will wear anything I pick out there.  And no, I wouldn't pay anything near the normal rate if that's what she was asking.  

I completely agree.  Since she was keeping all the stuff though, I wasn't sure what most girls would think.

If you have that low of an opinion about Johns (which you are, no matter how you try to rationalize it) and providers why the hell are you even posting here?  I feel sorry for the 29 providers you have reviews for, you must have treated them like sub-human pieces of shit.

You're comparing apples to oranges here: A person who practices law is being paid to practice law. A person paid to deliver a natural, dynamic, and non-mechanical GFE is paid partly for the art of socializing (yes, even if it is just between romps) as well as all the other things that happen during a date. Performing that art outside of the bedroom is still what we are paid to do. If she wants to see you again, she is going to remain "on" for the public time.  

to see me on the clock without complaining about saving a few hundred dollars so they can see me for free b/c they spend time with their bosses for free. Apples to oranges, by the way.

Pretty amazing thread. Same suspects lament the tenor then launch multiple massive screeds. Another continues to 'know it all' and anyone who disagrees is not only wrong but lower than pond scum. And we can always count on good old WOTW to pontificate on a guys attitude with the ladies while being a total bitch and as always hiding behind her alias. Gee, wonder why she does that? Nothing ever changes here. Same stupid topics. Same asswipes with all the answers. Different day. On to inflated reviews?  

You "lunatic" responders wer probably too busy "screwing yourselves" to do so, lol. You all are responding to your own feelings about OTC time rather than answering the question that was asked.

And I wouldn't pay them for that...so I guess they just had to be OK with a fun session.

I'll miss you my alias friend...it was so nice of you to come up with that alias.

You are correct and for more reasons than you stated. I am indeed not a boss, rather, I am a paying client, or more correctly, a paying customer. When I was growing up, there was a saying in this country that "the customer is always right". You don't hear that saying much anymore but in real life the principle still applies and as a customer of my suppliers, I'm treated like royalty. They bend over backwards to obtain and keep my business and I can state that this is pretty much the case in every civvie business. I'm going to a supplier-run party this month in which I will be wined and dined (literally) and provided cost-free classes for an entire day. They do this every year and it draws virtually all of the local people in my field. They treat us well and we in turn reward them with a great deal of business.

While most wouldn't put that in a review...many post here that they enjoy the out and about with a gal.  And the gals that have been repeats for me have always realized that OTC is a part of the GFE session.

Posted By: Polish_Pirate

You are correct and for more reasons than you stated. I am indeed not a boss, rather, I am a paying client, or more correctly, a paying customer. When I was growing up, there was a saying in this country that "the customer is always right". You don't hear that saying much anymore but in real life the principle still applies and as a customer of my suppliers, I'm treated like royalty. They bend over backwards to obtain and keep my business and I can state that this is pretty much the case in every civvie business. I'm going to a supplier-run party this month in which I will be wined and dined (literally) and provided cost-free classes for an entire day. They do this every year and it draws virtually all of the local people in my field. They treat us well and we in turn reward them with a great deal of business.  
   
 In the hobby, this is not the case as evidenced by WOTW's post below mine. Some providers hate their clients, they find us disgusting, demanding assholes who they only see because we provide money. Not the ideal business climate. This is most certainly not true of the providers I've seen in the past, nor the regulars who I continue to see, nor those I contemplate seeing in the future. Every one of them has been extremely nice to me and I don't ask for OTC time. Heck, I don't have time for OTC time and have even turned down an offer or two because of my limited play time. The honest-to-God truth is that I've had OTC exactly once in this hobby and that OTC time was offered to me by the provider because she liked my personality and me as a person.  
   
 Thank you for your civil reply. Your sanity is duly noted, lol

I have very little time for activities beyond the 1 or 1-1/2 hours of play time. OTC is definitely not my goal but WOTW being the BSC person she is, actually thinks I meant that BS post above, LOL. Did you see how she railed on my ass? Apparently, I'm now blacklisted and only desperate women see me, LMAO. What a brain on that one. London Rayne she is NOT, not by a long shot, lol. WOTW has no clue what I'm about and I'll soon be taking a poll to see how many providers hate me. Stay tuned, this is gonna be fun

I'm OK with her and OhCharlie getting together to compile this list...they both have plenty of time  LOL

Posted By: Polish_Pirate

Posted By: WondersOfTheWrld

3rd, here you're no one's boss and YOU can be easily be replaced (trust me, it's been done before with YOU).

   
 I'm intrigued and you have my full attention. Please list all providers who have replaced me. I'm an open book WOTW and I give you permission to list every single provider who has replaced me. Go for it, out me baby  
     

4th, Just remember that every time you post this entitlement crap, it reminds women who've seen you before why it's good they chose to never see you again after the first encounter (trust me, unless they're desperate, a second date isn't happening with YOU). Please do continue to show your true colors. I'm just glad I have the luxury to be available only to a select few now and would never let some men touch me again if my life depended on it, Ick. I feel sorry for the girls who have to see you a second time.

   
 Again, extremely intrigued!!! Please list all providers who have seen me one time and decided to never see me again. Right here, right now, do it WOTW. I can't wait to see the list, I'm very excited, this is going to be so much fun I might even take a poll! Bring it on, put up or shut up, there's your challenge.  
 

Always wanted to live amongst the rich and famous.

She didn't know the difference between a public BL and her personal DNS list...oh well  LOL

Posted By: Polish_Pirate

I have very little time for activities beyond the 1 or 1-1/2 hours of play time. OTC is definitely not my goal but WOTW being the BSC person she is, actually thinks I meant that BS post above, LOL. Did you see how she railed on my ass? Apparently, I'm now blacklisted and only desperate women see me, LMAO. What a brain on that one. London Rayne she is NOT, not by a long shot, lol. WOTW has no clue what I'm about and I'll soon be taking a poll to see how many providers hate me. Stay tuned, this is gonna be fun

You can take a poll, but ladies who choose not to see you again won't post on it.

Or are you just assuming that all women wouldn't want to see a particular guy because YOU don't like the guy's posting style?

The OP could simply pick out an outfit from a web site like Victoria's Secret or SpicyLingerie and bring it for her to wear.  I've done this myself.  But there is something about the act of shopping with her -- being seen with her, imagining as she poses how he's going to remove said articles of clothing, etc. -- that turns him on.  Thus, he should expect to pay her, at whatever rate she thinks is fair.  The articles purchased may be of no benefit to her at all.  What if, for example, she already has several Naughty Schoolgirl outfits or Slutty Nun's Habits?

I love a good trainwreck!

You know what's really funny CPA? I posted that OTC rant just to tweak her into spilling the beans and look how well it worked. We can still have fun even when LR's not around, lol.

Satan asked me to clarify.  As I believe you know, my policy is not to pay to watch any gal sleep, eat or shop.  Since, for some incredible reason (boyish charm?  amazing love skills?) gals seem to actually like me, when that kind of thing happens (fairly frequently, in fact) it's OTC.  Unlike a certain CPA, I don't sneer at guys who like to pay for such things but I just don't understand them.

That includes NO lube!

She is "on", at "work", posing, flirting, doing shit that a normal woman shopping would not do.  

I only found this thread because of the link on the Chicago board was so random...however your answer is simple- yea oay her for her time to model for you.  Period. Oh and enjoy!

So let's see...

If some guy wants to take me shopping for shit I want, free all the way as I am not on, I am myself, I don't have kiss his ass or anything else.

And it wasn't even I lingerie shop, it's a porn shop!  This is something HE digs, who know if the lady will. Not me!

Now I have a 4 hour date later next week and YES the gentleman will be getting  some time OTC to shower when he arrives, and then I will have 3 outfits laid out and he can pick out the one HE wants me to wear. All of this I won't count as our date starting. It starts when we leave for dinner. AND if dinner takes longer than anticipated I really don't care, I'm not going to look at him and say, "hurry up and ask for the check, time is ticking". Frankly I plan on enjoying the hell out of where we are dining, and flirting with him all thru dinner. During dinner I'll do my best to be an excellent dinner companion, when we get back to my location, I'll do my best to be an excellent lover. That includes not rushing, and certainly not even thinking about the clock. So will he be on the clock all the time? No. WHY, because this is my FAVORTIE kind of date and he's driving about 1.5 hours to see me.

Anyone who has ever seen me knows a date with me never feels time constrained.

If a man wanted to take me shopping at VS or Fredrick's (a little racier) but only wants to book me for an hour....well I'd tell him to pick up a few things he likes, hold on to the receipt, and bring them to our meeting I'll wear the one that looks best on me and he can takes the others back to the store and get his money back. If he wanted me to go with him to the store, I'd asked him to book me for 2 hours and go. If when we got back to BCD and it ran over a little, NO BIGGIE.

Most women know how to balance what a client wants with what they feel comfortable with.

A lot of the posts here didn't even take into account what the OP said about WHERE he wanted to go shopping. And the OP never said how long of a booking he was looking for.

THANK YOU CLARENCE, I have a new found luv and respect for you1

xoxo,

Steph

-- Modified on 9/8/2013 4:54:40 PM

Wow, This is the craziest thread I've read in a while.  I'm the quintessential “single guy who moves a lot” that  OhCharlie  spoke about earlier in this post. I also travel for work and I've  been a member here and been  participating in this hobby for almost 12 years.  This year, I've had the pleasure of visiting with OhCharlie in multiple cities that she frequents.  

Now that was clear, concise, and to the point.

Both of the posts you've had here  LOL   And the couple in the Carolinas as well.

Honestly most of the gals who do the OTC with a guy like me are indeed themselves.  That's part of the allure from my POV.

Taking her to party city!  Role play and they should get hooker and pimp outfits!  Then its FREE!

It s alot less head ache and stress ti simply do a few one hour sessions.  
And just go shopping with out the clients.
In three hours. Or if I want to do three one hour sessions.  
Then go spend my nine hundred in peace. And be free to flirt n meet guts while out I want to spend time with as civvie.
That three hour it takes you to pick her up make her feel awkward waljn in atore w a obvious john.  
You eat up her afternoon . If shed just stayed at work those three hours she d be havn her min. Nine hun. Have rest day to herself. It makes more sense to not spend all that time w a offer to shop . I d myslf prefer to do a few appt n go shop alone after.
I feel mentally n physically drained a great deal time from wprk and rather shop in peace n just bang oyt three appt n makemy g note.  
I just woje up today twenty two text!  I was with a guy I had slept at his pkace. I shut cell off hour later twelve new text.
Not countn my missed call pms emails.
I ger such social stimuli over liad with this lube work and personal lufe.  
I actually look forward to time alone.
I myself wouldnt take the shoppung offer.
If its a client or older guy you wouldnt normally talk too. Ever.
Its still gonna be taxing to spend time alone with you. And mentallt draining at least to me I d pass if a client offered otc shoppung. No thank u. I will di my own work and my own shoppin

you've already got the purple leisure suit and platform heels, don't you?
(that's how I picture you, driving a big lincoln and smoking a phillies cheroot with a plastic holder)

you really hurt my feelings when you came after me a while back. **sniff**
I'm very sensitive, so it may take me a while to come around. **sob**
thank you for the kind words. OK, I'm all better

I don't kiss and tell as far as clients I have seen-- once or 100-- I've only BL one client in my career. Also due to my personal selection process, I rarely let one through I won't see again.  

Posted By: ChgoCPA

So let's see...  
   
 Hookers think they should be paid to go shopping  
   
 Some johns think paying for a hooker to shop is asinine  
   
 Mangina boys agree that hookers should be paid to go shopping  
   
 Interesting that you post now...you never post on the GD board.  
   
 I guess WOTW blew up your inbox as well?  LOL  
   
 Seems like PP was right    
   

Posted By: Veronica Chase

I only found this thread because of the link on the Chicago board was so random...however your answer is simple- yea oay her for her time to model for you.  Period. Oh and enjoy!  
     
  Xoxoxo  
  VC    
     

Posted By: inicky46

The OP could simply pick out an outfit from a web site like Victoria's Secret or SpicyLingerie and bring it for her to wear.  I've done this myself.  But there is something about the act of shopping with her -- being seen with her, imagining as she poses how he's going to remove said articles of clothing, etc. -- that turns him on.  Thus, he should expect to pay her, at whatever rate she thinks is fair.  The articles purchased may be of no benefit to her at all.  What if, for example, she already has several Naughty Schoolgirl outfits or Slutty Nun's Habits?

I love that I got you pissed enough to not only reply to me like a complete whackjob, but enough to need to throw my name in a reply in order to actually have something, anything to say.

Posted By: ChgoCPA

I'm OK with her and OhCharlie getting together to compile this list...they both have plenty of time  LOL  
   
 I'd love to see this list.  
   
 Wanna bet that they'll bail out since we aren't going to pay them to compile these lists?  
   
   

Posted By: Polish_Pirate

Posted By: WondersOfTheWrld

3rd, here you're no one's boss and YOU can be easily be replaced (trust me, it's been done before with YOU).

 
     
  I'm intrigued and you have my full attention. Please list all providers who have replaced me. I'm an open book WOTW and I give you permission to list every single provider who has replaced me. Go for it, out me baby  
       

4th, Just remember that every time you post this entitlement crap, it reminds women who've seen you before why it's good they chose to never see you again after the first encounter (trust me, unless they're desperate, a second date isn't happening with YOU). Please do continue to show your true colors. I'm just glad I have the luxury to be available only to a select few now and would never let some men touch me again if my life depended on it, Ick. I feel sorry for the girls who have to see you a second time.

 
     
  Again, extremely intrigued!!! Please list all providers who have seen me one time and decided to never see me again. Right here, right now, do it WOTW. I can't wait to see the list, I'm very excited, this is going to be so much fun I might even take a poll! Bring it on, put up or shut up, there's your challenge.  
 

...lots of otc time at the party working the entire time keeping all the drunk employees happy, as well as the banquet hall employees in line.