About six months ago I was in Vegas. For the first time ever I hit a jackpot. It wasn't millions or anything, but it was enough that I decided to extend my trip to use all the comps I got and to really splurge by getting an ultra high end provider for the first time. Hit TER and found the most expensive escorts in Vegas and picked one.  $2000 for 90 minutes, iirc.  

...and I've been with some very beautiful women.

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but I agree with "A lot of times women we call 10 by TER standards are closer to 8 by universal standards".  There have been times that I walked in the door and said to myself, "what are these guys thinking!". One of the reasons I don't pay attention to the looks score anymore.  

individuals who win, inherit or luck into money rather than having earned it.  Because the money came easily, you subconsciously don't feel like you really deserve what the money can do for you.  When you have earned it the hard way through your personal skills or labors, you have more of a feeling that you now "deserve" what that money can do for you, whether its a fleeting moment with a hot hooker, or buying a new sports car, or that tropical vacation on some exotic island, or all of the above and then some.  

See, that girl is a TER 10. Which is to say, beautiful, but I wouldn't find her out of my league (at least not based on that one photo).

A couple of times, I felt completely intimidated. As much as I love pretty young, hard bodied 20 somethings......I definitely "perform " better with ladies in 40's, even 50's. It can be frustrating with the young, model types.

That I agree with. My ATF is a TER 10, and probably a universal 9. She was almost too beautiful,  but our respective dimensions make us look like a couple, so I was never thought it was too much.  

It's not so much about the money for me.  I do well. Maybe not weekly $2000 hooker well, but I could afford them several times per year on my own if I were so inclined.  

At least based on the 10s I've met.

If I wanted a girl "in my league" I wouldn't need to shell out $$$$.
I've been blown away when the door opens, but soon instinct and desire take over. I may be a 2-pump chump on round one (or even round 2) as well but to me, there's nothing better than a woman who takes my breathe away.

.... was in a orgy type situation or a 3some or 4some.  
So, the intimidation factor was watered down by the excitement of the multiple women.  
It was all exciting.  
Endorphin  popping thrills.  
Then spending time one on one was as it should have been.  
There is one that I haven't seen by herself yet, maybe soon.

I could share many great and often humorous stories of walking into a restaurant, club or casino with a girl half my age in the league you describe.  Trust me, the guys notice you because they start feeling insecure about what have you got that they don't have, and women notice you and try to figure out if you're rich, famous, or both, or have this hot girl for some other reason.  You will be just as much the center of attention as the girl will.  

Yeah, basically. Guilty as charged. But that's why I didn't leave a review. Wouldn't be fair.  

Is it possible you were put off not because she was too beautiful, but because Victoria's Secret models look like men? (Assuming you're strictly heterosexual.) They can pretend with costumes, make-up, lighting, photography tricks, and posing. But if you were up close with one, you'd notice, and think, "Hey, she kinda looks like a man."

high opinion of yourself even though you recognize you're not perfect.  Usually, for guys like you, self-confidence is one of the collateral attributes, which surprises me that you seem insecure on the issue of being outshined by your date, but I actually know one guy that is just like that.  He will never date a girl that looks better than he does, so he shows up with the plain-looking short fat girl,  guys are always telling him he can do better.

The pictures and their reviews were great, so I took the plunge Just to see what all the hoopla was about...and yes they were beautiful. I did get that punch in the gut feeling when we met.
Overall, it was a good time but because of the cost factor, I wouldn't venture to see someone of their stature again.
Consider it a "Bucket" list that's been done...checked off.

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1. Turned out the lights
2. Turned her over to doggy
3. Put on a Blindfold

Lol. Also guilty as charged. I don't think I'm arrogant, but I've been lucky in life and I like to enjoy life. I think it's not so much how hot, but perhaps the type of hotness that throws me off. I would never date someone homely in my civilian life (though i would see a homely escort, believe it or not). I'm probably doing a terrible job explaining it.  

> I wouldn't find her out of my league

Nobody gets it for free.  But if you're asking why use escorts if I can pull girls like that in my civilian life, the answer is...why not both? The only difference is whether you're spending  $400 over a few dinners first or spending $400 to get right to the main event. I like doing both when I'm  not in a committed relationship.

Took her to the nicest restaurant in Philly and when we walked in to the dining room, every one facing us stopped to stare at her, then me ...  then everyone with their backs to us turned around to see who entered the room. And the room went silent. That was the strangest part.  

to me. But if you want to own it, there's a really nice Frame Shop ...

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Maybe it's due to the number of women I have been with over my life, but I just can't imagine any woman being beautiful enough to "intimidate" in the bedroom. That woman simply does not exist. I completely agree about TER 10's, very few TER 10's even score an 8 on the GaGa scale.

You seem to have a lot of issues, and since I am not qualified or remotely interested in helping work through these issues in order to be a happier and healthier person, I plan on doing something that I am quite qualified to do and that is to ridicule and make fun of you because quite frankly you deserve it.

... she knew she was too perfect.  I didn't feel intimidated, but I defintely felt that she thought she's so good looking that I should be honored to fix my gaze on her, and anything else was a bonus.  And she decided my hour was up about 15 minutes early.  Needless to say I didn't return.  

Projection is characterized by being unconscious, at least in the classic sense. That's not the case here, insofar as I put myself inside his head. Which was only part of my hypothetical, anyway.  

I suffer from a compulsion to contradict anyone who talks up the beauty or hotness high fashion models. It's like a nervous tic.

I have a compulsion to laugh at funny shit ...  

and yes I will agree she isn't a fat ass, but at age 38, she is too old for me.

Yes, but you're not talking about dropping $400 for a few dates, you're talking about girls that charge 900+ an hour. I don't count going out with a civvie as cost. If I were go go out by myself, I'd be fine paying double if I'm enjoying myself.  

I've never heard someone say, "I've never wanted to be the guy with the girl too much better looking than I am, because it takes attention away from what I'm wearing and how I'm looking.".  

...In another post in this thread, he said:  "She's a sweet girl. Not stuck up, even though she deserves to be. She was good in bed."

You mentally fucked yourself into a Jedi mind tricking of a Matrix.  Too much over thinking.  A good portion of the women I have seen have been totally out of my league.  But that all depends on what league you're looking at.  In this case you had the funds to compete on a small level within her league.  Only a small portion of ppl in this world have it all i.e. looks, brains, money, love, fame, etc.  Everyone else is trying to use one to get to the other.  Good thing about hobbying is it creates a one to two hour shortcut.  Just relax and enjoy your time.

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Two were so into themselves, it was one and done. The other two were so down to earth, they became atfs. I never dream about providers. But those two, even though they're long retired, I still dream about. I was bangin' one the other night in my dreams. It was so real, I had to get up, and pull out her old pics. Man she was gorgeous!!

I'm about average in looks and I've never met the girl that I'd consider out of my league. Maybe it's because I'm a self absorbed a-hole at times, but I keep it real. Most of these "10s" are really 5s in all other departments outside of looks. No credit, probably terrible with money, rents everything (cars, homes, etc.).

...was with a woman in the category we're discussing here. 1992 and I was a few months out of my marriage when I decided to take my first foray into p4p. No internet, no reviews, no discussion boards -- I just plain ol' lucked out when I connected with a woman who was "beautiful" and not simply "hot."

I hope that's ok with you, Big Guy.

me a few times, not about how much I was spending, but about certain man-eating providers, and its real easy to say, "What do you know, don't be a dick."

Do you like honesty?  You sound like a pretty, spoiled, privileged dbag with that statement...you don't want a girl too pretty to take the attention away from you?? You sound like a girl too. I used to fuck guys like you in prison  😏

There are all types of men and women in this hobby.

and was about to pay her $900 for 90 minutes.  As I walked up to her place, I said to my self, "I can't believe I'm about to shell out this much cash!" But 90 minutes later I was saying to myself, "That's the best $900 I've ever spent!"

Price is what you pay, and Value is what you get.  I have lived by this and it works.  Price doesn't matter if you get your money's worth.  

A handful of women I've met over the years were so strikingly beautiful and sexy that I said to myself "I can't fucking believe I can get this just for money. MONEY. No sale of organs, no indentured servitude, no animal sacrifice. Just cash. What a wonderful world."

I'm ok with her being more attractive. Just not TOO much more attractive. I prefer, "man, what a smart looking couple" to "look at her...what the fuck is she doing with him?" Even if they speculate that I'm rich or famous, I want to be part of the scenery, not a distraction from it!

Like I said,  there's a difference between a TER 10 and a universal 10. No universal 10 is in my league.  But I've dated TER 10s before, who are usually NOT actually beautiful enough to be real lingerie models. I look at the front page at the highest rated escorts, and I didn't see a single one (where the faces are shown) who I thought was a universal 10.  

Care to expand on this story?

I'm not a douchebag, the rest of it probably applies. Lol.

Add “animal sacrifice” to screening requirements.

Some of the ladies I've shared duos with have been jaw dropping! I am more on the queer side of things and sometimes I get a bit awe struck. Sometimes (all the time)I am in awe I get paid to be with them LOL

That's my favorite thing that's ever been said on this board. It's official.

Is it possible u only think that because you dropped 2 k. And now u need to justify it by making yourself believe she was the most beautiful creature you've ever been with?

You need a spanking.

who was this delightful LV lady?

When was the last time either of you "got drunk and screwed"???

I also don't do "ugly" where is the issue?

and then say it tasted like crap?

... that you can't fully enjoy being in a date with someone who you think is hotter than you.

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$700/btl 15 years ago and worth every single penny. Otherworldly would be understatement. It fetches about $2Gs now.  

Still the best wine I've ever drank in my life.  By far.  Didn't pay for it either.

Every date I am with damn well BETTER look hotter than me.

Why am I not surprised that Tobi would like that line?

Maybe this is a better example, Have you ever drank Crystal Champagne? People, mainly young or very impressionable people rave over the stuff, probably because they saw movie stars and sports superstars drinking it. Quite frankly the stuff is swill and a non vintage Veuve tastes a hell of a lot better, but people buy into the hype and since they have no taste of their own, they just "think" it must be good because rich people drink it.

is a simply ravishing low-key SoCal girl who I just saw in Florida. I have know her for years and see her any time I get her way.

... I'm kind of with you though that if I'm going to pay for it actually especially if I'm paying for it I want to feel like you are way way way way way hotter than me. I'm going to relish it not psych myself out from enjoying it.  

I'd have to get comped by a 1200/hr gal to determine if I'd dine at her restaurant again. Since we all know that's not happening, I guess I'll stick to dining at McPussy's and the just get the $400 value meal.

She asked for a grand, I had just come off the tables, was half drunk and had won right about twenty grand that night with the chips still in my pocket. I still wouldn't give her a grand, even though she was super fucking hot and I had a pocket full of cash (chips. lol)

I don't think so ... and I'm sure she'll never get the chance, money wise ...

You see, my definition of a girl being too beautiful is one who's either a 9, or a 10, but so far I've only had up to an 8. Before starting this hobby, my impression of what a provider would look like was based on the stereotypical streetwalker who has that tough-looking whoreface, wears heavy makeup to hide her drug abuse and speaks with a raspy voice that literally screams "I smoke 10 packs of cigarettes a day" you know the type. This stereotype was perpetuated by its portrayal on such shows like Taxicab Confessions and the Jerry Springer Show, but I was more attracted to the models I saw in those softcore flicks on late night cinemax. As soon as the following year, I encountered my first provider who was working under the guise of being a masseuse, but I knew what really goes on in those massage parlours, and I went there with the intent of breaking into the hobby. To my surprise, she wasn't bad looking at all, she was a tall, slimthick redbone with short hair who was in really great shape, and I would put her at around a 8, pretty good for my first encounter. Over the next 13 years, the bulk of the others to come would be between 5 and 8. To date, the only one who fits that whoreface stereotype was someone I encountered in Montebello this past Feb shortly after V-day, but the room was dark and I had her bent over in doggystyle most of the time so it's not like I had to sit there and stare at her face the whole time. What's most surprising about the level of beauty in the hobby is that the real faces of prostitution can be easily blended in with the civvie world. That was a real wake up call for me, and it made me realize that these girls are no different from our friends, neighbors and coworkers, they're no different from that really hot girl at the bar, and that any civvie girl can crossover into the hobby at any time. What's also surprising about that level of beauty is that it was only accessible for a couple hundred dollars, and I thought that only the most elite courtesans were that hot, but here you have just a regular girl in my neighborhood who's fine as hell, and is only available for a couple hundred dollars an hour. The most notable example was this light skinned, mixed race mamacita who's actually my ATF, and who I rate as being an 8. I saw her during the holidays a couple years back for $120, and in my mind I'm thinking, "what's a fine ass chick like you doing out here selling yourself for $120 when you're really worth at least $500?" but off course I'm not going to tell her that. Truth is, she's so fine that she shouldn't even be escorting herself at all, I'd wife her up in a minute, and I don't typically feel that way about anyone. The fact that these girls are inexpensive only further proves my point, and the thing of it is, I didn't even go out of my way to find someone that hot, it's purely by chance that I stumbled upon them to begin with. I realize how fortunate I am everytime I compare my initial expectations to my reality, but my luck is bound to run out at some point, or another, the good thing about that is that I think I'm already over that hump so I hope it's just going to be smooth sailing from here on out. Finally, I think the elite courtesans are the 9s and 10s, but their rates start at $1000, and if a girl that hot is going to ruin the experience by rooting up some insecurities, then what I'm trying to tell you is that you have the option of finding someone who's not quite as hot for far less.

Yes, I have been with real beautiful women -many times (mostly abroad)

Anal bareback????  Yikes.  You say you were in heaven but if you are so inclined to follow this approach much longer you may actually end up in heaven sooner than you wish.  I'm no preacher, but man.... be careful as I can imagine the women who read this and then get your date requests might be.

Where is your sense of adventure? lol

I couldn't quite tell if he was serious or trolling, but there was too much detail and glee and I decided he was cringe-worthily serious.  I still hope he's not, but if he is I hope the poor girls he sees from this point on read about his little adventure; actually if they do read it they probably won't see him from this point on.  

you had me at "whoreface"..........bahahahaaa  i'm freaking dying over here.