Sunday morning. Time for a Sunday morning post. I noticed I'm back in the top 10 posters for this month but this time I don't care. I'm back to Europe for several months soon and you won't see or hear from me at all. Enjoy your summer, patsies.
But FIRST... I gotta get this off my chest.
All this 'woo woo providers are so special how can they do what they do aren't we so lucky' shit that gets posted regularly here is starting to make me barf. MP67 (Can I call you Mikey? What are you an 8 year old in jammies?) -- your thread below is particularly nauseating. As are half the responses.
Guys -- THESE ARE JUST WOMEN. They are not freaky alien moonbeam angels. They are not superhuman. They are just women.
Ok, sure, lots of them are good at sex. And that is indeed a wonderful attribute. But so what? It's their freaking JOB. You ever tried bagging your own groceries? That shit is hard. Think about it next time you would otherwise ignore the retarded boy at the end of the checkout. Check him out. He's a professional. I can't do his job half as well as he can. He always has my shit all bagged up tidily before I am even done paying. And I pay fast. Debit card, no cash. Swoosh, pip pip pip pip with the PIN, enter, I'm done thank you I don't need the receipt. Those dithery old ladies with the checkbooks need to be shot. But back to the baggers: If you left it up to me I'd take half an hour and still have four cereal boxes in one ripped bag and a pack of gum on another and 3 bottles of wine in another all clanking against each other waiting to be broken. But those baggers know what they're doing. And it's often thankless. But are you all gooey over that profession? Doubt it.
Point is: If a 16 year old with downs syndrome and cross eyes can astonish me with his professional skills in spatial reasoning and manual dexterity (and they regularly do), then a girl who fucks for a living should certainly be able to work a boner out of a horny guy. What's the big deal?
And you know what? It's actually NOT that tough to kiss or fuck all sorts of weird ass people. It's not that hard to be pleasant and entertaining to just about anyone for around five bucks a minute -- especially when the standard for 'pleasant and entertaining' can be met by simply giggling and wiggling your tits. Or if you want to REALLY kick it up a notch... A few compliments, feigned interest, a little teasing. And then finally OH GOLLY I JUST CAN'T HOLD MYSELF BACK. And then leave. Sound familiar?
Trust me, it works for guys too... on older women, younger women, men. Last summer a very skilled and expensive (female) prostitute friend had to buy me drinks all evening because she lost a bet to me in which the bet was: I could get a boner out of a guy faster than she could. One test subject was gay, the other was bisexual. Both test subjects were bartenders that happened to be there. OK, the gay guy was easy, and yea kissing him was sort of gross because he had that euro stubble thing going on and I'm nowhere near gay (he said I was a great kisser, though), but the other bi guy wasn't even that difficult. A hand on the back, a light brush of the thigh. Then I simply rested my hand on his leg a little on the inside and close to his crotch. That's it. Never said a thing. Never put my drink down. The whole premise of the game was boner or no boner, which is like not thinking about a white elephant. So...Whammo. It was like 40 seconds. I didn't know these guys. I don't even remember the one guy's name, and I saw him all the time there. Who cares. I got free drinks. The gay guy by the way just laughed when my friend tried her moves, and she had to basically put her hand down the other guy's pants and rub his crotch before it responded. Of course us all laughing our asses off by this time probably put him off a bit.
And actually, quite a few providers are NOT actually very good at sex. They are so used to fat older guys getting so excited about naked boobs in front of their face and telling them how awesome it is that someone is willing to touch them without retching that they forget that there's more to being great than just showing up. Some of the worst sex of my life -- actually ALL of the worst sex of my life -- has been with so-called 'professionals'. Some of the best sex of my life has been with pros too, but honestly I can't say that the pros in general have been any better than the non pros.
Which is a shame, because, like that grocery bagger, you'd think they'd at least be better than average due to frequent practice.
I agree that being a provider, especially at $5-$10 per minute, is not always a difficult task. I have had some experience myself in that regard having been paid by the fathers of a couple of ladies to date them. Can you even imagine how un-date-able a girl has to be for her father to have to pay someone to date her? Yet, at well under $5/minute, I did fine with it. Heck, I once had sex with what is likely the least attractive woman imaginable because I lost a bet with her. Yep, I had sex with her on a bet. And despite the fact she was smelly enough that I used a dental dam for daty, I made it through the experience just fine.
So, hey, if *I* can do it, it isn't automatically impressive that a woman could do it. Aren't women supposed to be my equals?
And you are right, it isn't as if providers have to *actually* seduce men. The men have gone through a verification process, chosen the woman from reviews and arrive ready for sex. It isn't as though the clients are cloistered monks with profound misgivings.
So, at least as far as that goes, I agree with you. The average neurosurgeon in my area gets paid $240/hr and most providers I've seen charge more than that. I think it is reasonable to say that if being a provider were neurosurgery, they would be neurosurgeons instead of providers.
HOWEVER, I have some substantive disagreements. You are a man, and you are seeing this in a man-centric way. As a man, you basically want to fuck anything approximating a female that can't outrun you, and you've been that way since puberty. Women, in general, do not have that sort of sexuality. They actually overall have pretty narrow preferences. FMRI studies of women being stimulated to orgasm by their partners demonstrate that a whole bunch of factors are needed for a woman's sexual satisfaction such as trust, etc. -- factors that are notably absent from the hobby.
Hey, I'm pretty much a bad ass. I'm not generally worried about what is going to walk in a door. But put yourself in the place of a 110 pound woman and see how that equation changes. Despite all the verification and all that stuff, it cannot be easy to open the door to a strange man as you stand there defenseless and conducting an all-cash-business in a profession that is routinely targeted by serial killers.
You and I will never know what it is like to wait defenseless for a guy who might kiss you or might kill you -- and you never know which.
Furthermore, there are lesser levels of abuse that go on. I have personally walked into an appointment where the provider had been beaten pretty severely by a prior client. (No, I didn't have sex with her.) And then there are cases of severe verbal abuse, stalking, harassment and more. Again, keep these in the context of being in a society where you can't always go to the authorities for help and the person being abusive or stalking is more powerful than you.
I mean, seriously, why do you think providers use fake names?
The first reason is that they don't trust their clients not to turn into a serious problem. The second reason -- also a reason why providing is hard -- is because of social disapproval.
Again, this is something that is usually different for women than men. Men have routinely flouted social norms, which is why they outnumber women in prison by factors. So to YOU, social approval might not seem that big a deal. It is a MUCH bigger deal for women who often serve as the social glue of families. Obviously, there are women for whom this is not the case; but in most cases they certainly want to hide the fact they were ever escorts from future husbands, they often hide it from their family or if their family finds out they might be ostracized, etc.
Finally, you make the GFE sound easy. And yes, for some pretty non-discerning men, it might be easy. But I am here to tell you that for a provider to get MY pants off, she has to be pretty damned impressive. I don't hobby now, but when I did hobby, getting my pants off was never a certainty for a provider. I was always watching -- using the knowledge of a guy who has been to interrogation school -- to make sure the woman wasn't under duress, etc. I would always rather leave the money than risk sex with someone unwilling. Some of the ladies I have seen are absolute masters at the control of every nuance of their body position and more. If they were anything less, they couldn't have successfully had sex with me.
So I think it is important for you to differentiate between the level of skill required to lay some generic horny guy who doesn't give a crap if the woman lives or dies, versus guys who are pretty danged attentive. The fact is, pulling off a really great GFE like that is pretty damned difficult, especially controlling the limbic system signals that could clue in a guy that all isn't well.
I do not believe there is any such thing as "providers." They are all different and just like practitioners of any other profession, half of them are below average and only 1%-2% are cream of the crop.
Nevertheless, whether it makes you vomit or not, I think it is entirely appropriate for me to be appreciative of those ladies. Fucking me isn't easy. Not because I'm ugly, older than Methusalah or whatnot -- but because I am discerning and equally inclined to walk away. Those few providers who have managed to accomplish it are truly masters of their profession and deserving of appropriate recognition.
If you don't like that, you can always feel free to dial 1-800-EAT-SHIT.
(*grin*)
He tells you how to build a watch.
blowhard (ˈbləʊˌhɑːd)
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Too bad you got the wrong word. But, hey, at least you used a dictionary -- so it's a start.
and it fits you like a glove.
What else would describe someone who constantly crows about how superior he is in every way - when nobody is asking?
We all know what keyboard warriors like you are IRL - because anyone who was what you claim to be - wouldn't have to be trying to impress strangers on a hooker board, they'd be too busy living that fabulous life.
... would construe a guy's admission of having fucked three wildly unattractive women as "bragging." If you think I'm proud of having screwed a smelly woman on a lost bet, or having agreed to date some shrewish spoiled brats for money, think again.
Maybe for YOU those would be accomplishments. For ME they are actually an embarrassing thing.
But as to your image ... hey, you aren't even content to hide behind the Internet but must use an alias of an alias as well.
Tough guy.
and obtuse into the bargain. This is just from the windbag post here - you are the consummate braggart so full of himself he is driven to inflict his litany of imaginary accomplishments ad nauseum at every opportunity.
"having been paid by the fathers of a couple of ladies to date them."
"Hey, I'm pretty much a bad ass."
"I was always watching -- using the knowledge of a guy who has been to interrogation school"
Of course, if you were so secure in your superiority you'd ignore someone like me, discovering the cure for cancer while synthesizing a new fuel source from ratshit would satisfy your ego a capite ad calcem.
Maybe for YOU those would be accomplishments. For ME they are actually an embarrassing thing.
But as to your image ... hey, you aren't even content to hide behind the Internet but must use an alias of an alias as well.
Tough guy.
YOU saw that stuff as bragging/self-promotion.
I was scratching my head over that one. LOL I now return you to your boring life of giving a shit about mine.
but you made some interesting points. This may have been the first post of yours that I was able to read from start to finish.
The gay stuff may get a few manginas checking themselves for hard ons, but that was TMI.
BTW, I prefer the self check out and do my own bagging whenever possible. Most of the retards are standing in the long lines.
...First off, as you know, I was one of the posters who stroked the ladies, thanking them for the service that they perform.
I happen to be one of the average looking, average personality guys out there that take advantage of these ladies every chance that I get. I get into each and every two hour block that I spend with them and appreciate the illusion that they provide. If that makes me some kind of idiot then so be it.
I happen to notice by way of your reviews that you are indeed attracted to the young 18 to 28 year old hotties with the slender, hot as hell bodies because kissing and eating and fucking a lady that is overweight, homely with thinning hair would not interest you. I realize that your the one paying and you get to choose your prey but given the opposite, you would not be able to cope. Or would you ???
You have already demonstrated your need for free drinks for the afternoon by kissing two male bartenders, 1 gay and 1 bi into a hard-on. I hope I never need a drink that bad. And within that paragraph you mention that you are not at all gay, but hey, you got some free drinks.
Well, then I noticed that you also have a penchants for seeing the TS ladies as well. I'm not at all sure how you cannot consider yourself as a gay or strongly bi male and enjoy spending time with the TS ladies.
Anyway, your rant wasn't at all appreciated and actually reeks of " Holy Shit ", another hypocrite with a poorly thought out mission.
Some people just wake up and feel the need to dump on someone. In this case it's me, again.
That's alright. I gave him the opportunity and he took it. Kinda like him getting free drinks for kissing a guy. He's into TS' so that shouldn't have been a problem with him.
BTW, Rachel's cool. Remember her? We met her and had dinner with her and everybody else Halloween. The tall, black lady.
Anyway, like he said, he'll be gone for the summer and we won't have to read his posts for a while.
And no, BashfulJohn, you may NOT call me Mikey. That's a priviledge for a select few. 
and whining at every turn has holes too. Just a different type of holes. I don't which is more pathetic. His gay writing or your incessant ass kissing.
something like "grocery shoppers dot com...." where customers marvel at the skill and deplore the lack of skill among grocery baggers. if you want to express your appreciation of baggers that's the place to do it. you are rather off topic to post that comment here.
fact is some folks are warm and appreciative, others.... not so much. either way there are risks and rewards. your narrow view of what is acceptable is sad. different strokes for diff folks and variety in people is spice. in your perfect world, is everyone a clone of you? how dull that would be.....
in fact he has started to shave, and is getting darn good at it too.
Secondly, who cares if he wears jammies? I don't wear them now, but at one time I wore jammies, in fact they had pictures of kitties on them - yes, they were the cat's pajammas, but that's not the point.
Maybe Mikey feels like wearing them on those cold New Mexico nights. They're probably really nice jammmies too with pictures of teddy bears on them. I knew a really great provider who had jammies with gnomes on them, perhaps you'd like a pair with trolls; to each their own.
Now, as for your term "...JUST WOMEN...", you really ought to think about that.
Here's an exercise: Imagine living in a world where there are no providers - none, zero, nada, zilch!
If that thought does not unnerve you, you don't belong on this board, or TER for that matter.
I wear Jammies sometimes, its cold in the N east in the winter, jammies are needed.
Some Jammies are Very sexy too...
Why so much Hatred for Jammies anyway?
It's always amusing when a guy who doesn't fuck and suck the dicks of total strangers for money tries to tell us all how easy the job is.
If I could find one who wouldn't but too many can in one bag and would keep the cold stuff together I would sing his or her praises as well.
Second, I regularly thank most people that I pay for a service or skill that do a good job of it. Why should providers be any different?
Third, Yes, providers are just women, and they aren't always the most skilled at their job. That is true, yet I am indeed thankful for women as a whole. I will sing the praises of the fairer gender as a whole whether you like it or not.
Four, Even though providers are just women, they take a lot of crap for their job. Being a provider is a fairly high risk job with lots of risks and little protection. They should be thanked for that. Plus the social stigma can be brutal. Their willingness to do their chosen job despite that deserves the respect of those that use their services.
Lastly, many ladies in this profession do more then the minimum required to do their job. Just yesterday a provider that I canceled with because I am sick, thought to bring me soup. It didn't increase her pay any yet she did it anyway. Things like that is special and praises need to be sung for such service. For some ladies this is more then just a job and it shows.
So I will thank them again. To the special ladies that do this job with grace, respect, honesty, and integrity, Thank you. BashfulJohn, does not speak for all of us.
Scoed
others have said it better than I could. But I do find it funny that you could not bag groceries.
Why do some spent so much time writing this kind of rubbish?
But FIRST... I gotta get this off my chest.
All this 'woo woo providers are so special how can they do what they do aren't we so lucky' shit that gets posted regularly here is starting to make me barf. MP67 (Can I call you Mikey? What are you an 8 year old in jammies?) -- your thread below is particularly nauseating. As are half the responses.
Guys -- THESE ARE JUST WOMEN. They are not freaky alien moonbeam angels. They are not superhuman. They are just women.
Ok, sure, lots of them are good at sex. And that is indeed a wonderful attribute. But so what? It's their freaking JOB. You ever tried bagging your own groceries? That shit is hard. Think about it next time you would otherwise ignore the retarded boy at the end of the checkout. Check him out. He's a professional. I can't do his job half as well as he can. He always has my shit all bagged up tidily before I am even done paying. And I pay fast. Debit card, no cash. Swoosh, pip pip pip pip with the PIN, enter, I'm done thank you I don't need the receipt. Those dithery old ladies with the checkbooks need to be shot. But back to the baggers: If you left it up to me I'd take half an hour and still have four cereal boxes in one ripped bag and a pack of gum on another and 3 bottles of wine in another all clanking against each other waiting to be broken. But those baggers know what they're doing. And it's often thankless. But are you all gooey over that profession? Doubt it.
Point is: If a 16 year old with downs syndrome and cross eyes can astonish me with his professional skills in spatial reasoning and manual dexterity (and they regularly do), then a girl who fucks for a living should certainly be able to work a boner out of a horny guy. What's the big deal?
And you know what? It's actually NOT that tough to kiss or fuck all sorts of weird ass people. It's not that hard to be pleasant and entertaining to just about anyone for around five bucks a minute -- especially when the standard for 'pleasant and entertaining' can be met by simply giggling and wiggling your tits. Or if you want to REALLY kick it up a notch... A few compliments, feigned interest, a little teasing. And then finally OH GOLLY I JUST CAN'T HOLD MYSELF BACK. And then leave. Sound familiar?
Trust me, it works for guys too... on older women, younger women, men. Last summer a very skilled and expensive (female) prostitute friend had to buy me drinks all evening because she lost a bet to me in which the bet was: I could get a boner out of a guy faster than she could. One test subject was gay, the other was bisexual. Both test subjects were bartenders that happened to be there. OK, the gay guy was easy, and yea kissing him was sort of gross because he had that euro stubble thing going on and I'm nowhere near gay (he said I was a great kisser, though), but the other bi guy wasn't even that difficult. A hand on the back, a light brush of the thigh. Then I simply rested my hand on his leg a little on the inside and close to his crotch. That's it. Never said a thing. Never put my drink down. The whole premise of the game was boner or no boner, which is like not thinking about a white elephant. So...Whammo. It was like 40 seconds. I didn't know these guys. I don't even remember the one guy's name, and I saw him all the time there. Who cares. I got free drinks. The gay guy by the way just laughed when my friend tried her moves, and she had to basically put her hand down the other guy's pants and rub his crotch before it responded. Of course us all laughing our asses off by this time probably put him off a bit.
And actually, quite a few providers are NOT actually very good at sex. They are so used to fat older guys getting so excited about naked boobs in front of their face and telling them how awesome it is that someone is willing to touch them without retching that they forget that there's more to being great than just showing up. Some of the worst sex of my life -- actually ALL of the worst sex of my life -- has been with so-called 'professionals'. Some of the best sex of my life has been with pros too, but honestly I can't say that the pros in general have been any better than the non pros.
Which is a shame, because, like that grocery bagger, you'd think they'd at least be better than average due to frequent practice.
Get lost, sukahhhhhhhh. Hope you work out your issues in Europe.
a straight guy would retch if he tried to kiss another guy.
in fact, it's much easier to have sex with someone you're not attracted to then it is to kiss someone you're not attracted to.
plus he'd be too scared someone would think he is gay.
straight guys never joke around about being gay.
I have a few gay guys who haven't yet admitted to themselves that they're gay and might not ever, but if you like to boff me with one of my dildos in your mouth, um yeah. craving a cock in your mouth is a pretty clear sign you're gay.
it's ok, be proud of your gay self, there's really nothing wrong with it.
as for the rest of your lil diatribe, I completely agree with it, except I think Mikey sleeps naked so he doesnt pee on himself in the middle of the night, while fumbling in a half-asleep / half drunken stupor to get his panties off and if he doesn't, he definitely should.
possibly he likes the women so much more then you cuz he's not got any gay tendencies.
I'm just guessing.
John boy, (may I call you john boy, actually I do not give a shit if you approve or not)
Can you not accept and understand that the man wanted to and expressed his gratitude and appreciation to the ladies.
John boy if you do not agree you could just simply say that you disagree, instead of going on a rant that makes as much sense as a soup sandwich.
John boy if you were one of the ladies (and based on some of your reviews you tried to be a few times) don’t you think it is be nice to be complimented publically on the board.
John boy get your cranium out of your rectal cavity and only then take a deep breath, get some fresh air
Open your eyes and perhaps you will see the light of the wonderful and beautiful ladies we have here.
Enjoy Europe, John boy
No need to hurry back until you change your attitude
You’re Welcome
2011 = 28
2011 = 28 with sincere thanks as google does not have a clue. hell now we know johnson ordered the JFK assination.
I and the entire family are huge YANKEE fans so 2011 =28 is our way of predicting/rooting
that this year 2011 the YANKEES will win their 28th world series
Thank You
2011 = 28
BTW in the followme household we speak not of 2010 = 28
you have been driving me crazy for months. You fucking i(n a nice way) Yankee fans can be a little over the edge.
Reading your post, I was expecting you to come out and telling how proud of yourself you were, for accomplishing something of no real import; winning your bet.
Regarding your comment: "And you know what? It's actually NOT that tough to kiss or fuck all sorts of weird ass people. It's not that hard to be pleasant and entertaining to just about anyone for around five bucks a minute..." speak for yourself, and put your money where your mouth is and forgo the trip to Europe, and try a spin as a gigolo instead.
Oh! And, I'm talking about Donald Trump the business tycoon, not the politician. Don't want to get bumped to the P&R board.
shit are you drinking?
why take it out on the women?
HalfHour
Normally your posts are worth reading and occasionally even enlightening. This one though... Sounds like you got up on the wrong side of time.
Even I thank a cab driver occassionally for a job well done (being very helpful esp if he so more than most or being a great conversationalist etc), the lady who does my eyebrows, YES EVEN the grocery bagger for being so helpful @ my last visit to my local Safeway (supermarket), it's not being weak, or a mangina, or kiss-ass or ridiculous etc to thank someone for doing their job and doing it well. I don't get the point of this post but you of course are free to do so .... alrighty then.
But FIRST... I gotta get this off my chest.
All this 'woo woo providers are so special how can they do what they do aren't we so lucky' shit that gets posted regularly here is starting to make me barf. MP67 (Can I call you Mikey? What are you an 8 year old in jammies?) -- your thread below is particularly nauseating. As are half the responses.
Guys -- THESE ARE JUST WOMEN. They are not freaky alien moonbeam angels. They are not superhuman. They are just women.
Ok, sure, lots of them are good at sex. And that is indeed a wonderful attribute. But so what? It's their freaking JOB. You ever tried bagging your own groceries? That shit is hard. Think about it next time you would otherwise ignore the retarded boy at the end of the checkout. Check him out. He's a professional. I can't do his job half as well as he can. He always has my shit all bagged up tidily before I am even done paying. And I pay fast. Debit card, no cash. Swoosh, pip pip pip pip with the PIN, enter, I'm done thank you I don't need the receipt. Those dithery old ladies with the checkbooks need to be shot. But back to the baggers: If you left it up to me I'd take half an hour and still have four cereal boxes in one ripped bag and a pack of gum on another and 3 bottles of wine in another all clanking against each other waiting to be broken. But those baggers know what they're doing. And it's often thankless. But are you all gooey over that profession? Doubt it.
Point is: If a 16 year old with downs syndrome and cross eyes can astonish me with his professional skills in spatial reasoning and manual dexterity (and they regularly do), then a girl who fucks for a living should certainly be able to work a boner out of a horny guy. What's the big deal?
And you know what? It's actually NOT that tough to kiss or fuck all sorts of weird ass people. It's not that hard to be pleasant and entertaining to just about anyone for around five bucks a minute -- especially when the standard for 'pleasant and entertaining' can be met by simply giggling and wiggling your tits. Or if you want to REALLY kick it up a notch... A few compliments, feigned interest, a little teasing. And then finally OH GOLLY I JUST CAN'T HOLD MYSELF BACK. And then leave. Sound familiar?
Trust me, it works for guys too... on older women, younger women, men. Last summer a very skilled and expensive (female) prostitute friend had to buy me drinks all evening because she lost a bet to me in which the bet was: I could get a boner out of a guy faster than she could. One test subject was gay, the other was bisexual. Both test subjects were bartenders that happened to be there. OK, the gay guy was easy, and yea kissing him was sort of gross because he had that euro stubble thing going on and I'm nowhere near gay (he said I was a great kisser, though), but the other bi guy wasn't even that difficult. A hand on the back, a light brush of the thigh. Then I simply rested my hand on his leg a little on the inside and close to his crotch. That's it. Never said a thing. Never put my drink down. The whole premise of the game was boner or no boner, which is like not thinking about a white elephant. So...Whammo. It was like 40 seconds. I didn't know these guys. I don't even remember the one guy's name, and I saw him all the time there. Who cares. I got free drinks. The gay guy by the way just laughed when my friend tried her moves, and she had to basically put her hand down the other guy's pants and rub his crotch before it responded. Of course us all laughing our asses off by this time probably put him off a bit.
And actually, quite a few providers are NOT actually very good at sex. They are so used to fat older guys getting so excited about naked boobs in front of their face and telling them how awesome it is that someone is willing to touch them without retching that they forget that there's more to being great than just showing up. Some of the worst sex of my life -- actually ALL of the worst sex of my life -- has been with so-called 'professionals'. Some of the best sex of my life has been with pros too, but honestly I can't say that the pros in general have been any better than the non pros.
Which is a shame, because, like that grocery bagger, you'd think they'd at least be better than average due to frequent practice.