For the ladies who are comfortable with CIM, the next question is spit or swallow.  The “knee-jerk” answer probably would be that spitting is safer.  But is it?

I first saw a provider several years ago because swallows was on her menu.  She has been in the biz for about 8 years, is tested regularly, and has not contracted an STD.  She feels swallowing is safer because the batter is delivered to where stomach acids can take care of it.

Her theory may have some support the opinions reflected in an AP article published today, which, ironically, concerns eating other “white stuff”—--snow.


“A recent study found that snow – even in relatively pristine spots like Montana and the Yukon – contains large amounts of bacteria.  But experts say there's no need to banish snow-eating along with dodgeball, unchaperoned trick-or-treating and riding a bike without a helmet....

Children practically bathe in bacteria when they go to the playground, and Dennehy says they won't get anything from snow that they wouldn't get from dirt.

We eat stuff that's covered with bacteria all the time, and for the most part it's killed in the stomach,” says Dr. Joel Forman, a member of the pediatric academy's committee on environmental health. “Your stomach is a fantastic barrier against invasive bacteria because it's a very acidic environment.”

Yes, almost all the bacteria might die in the stomach. The problem is, it has pass through the esophagus first, and that's a lot of soft, moist, tissue. Unlike the mouth, you can't rinse it out with something anti-bacterial.

However, studies are beginning to show that exposure to benign bacteria might sharpen the immune system, and is actually essential. So . . . in other words, there's no conclusive answer.

This article is in agreement with my general confusion over providers that do not provide BBBJ, but happily offer themselves for DATY. This always felt like the ultimate in selfishness - the provider protects herself, but allows the hobbyist to greedily gobble her fluids.

I know, I know. No one is forcing DATY on us... It just seems like if the providers doesn't want fluids going from me to her, why would she be so 'cavalier' about fluids from her to me?

Hopefully over time, more providers will offer BBBJ and DATY and feel reasonably safe in doing so.

My kids growing up would put anything and everything in their mouths, and hardly ever got sick.
My friends kids on the other hand were always sick. Wondering why that is, I observed over a few occasions how she would practically be on their backs when they fell in the dirt, and there she was wiping their hands. She was ALWAYS on them about being CLEAN, and sanitized. As I see it, the more foreign objects ingested the harder the imune system has to work to protect itself.

When you get your shots as a kid, the Dr. injects you with measles mumps, rhubella Hepatitis and all those goodies growing up. That is done to get your immune system to start building strength to fight those diseases when you DO get them.
Stands to reason that would work most of the time with other things your body is not very familiar with.

xoxo
Diana

It's in the instinctive nature of kids in order to strengthen their own immune system.

Sorry. I just couldn't control myself.

And I just might be right ! !

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I don't really see the validity of comparing the bacteria contained in fallen snow to the various and, in some cases, incurable viral infections that can exist in semen...

I see it as respect.  You as a hobbyist have the right to determine your own comfort and safety levels, just as I do.  As you say, "allows the hobbyist"... I would enjoy myself and be just as happy with or without.  It's about pleasing my partner while honoring the choices my friends and I as individuals make.

"Hopefully over time, more providers will offer BBBJ and DATY and feel reasonably safe in doing so."
Over time with medical advances, maybe the known orally transmissable STD's will not be a concern for us. Until then, maybe more providers will choose to NOT offer oral pleasures without barriers.  It is not only our health, it is our livlihood that we are taking into consideration when making these decisions.

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I suppose someone will find something wrong with rimming now?  Or gutz frisbee?  

There are other hobbies and activities, besides the fun one's.  Go pick on them.

Are you saying these selfish women forced you at knife point to expose yourself to their uncovered juices?? Did they wrestle you to the ground and then assault you with their naughty bits??

Here is a suggestion for you. If you enjoy DATY so much and are so horribly offended by CBJ, bring some dental dams along with you. Teach that woman a lesson and put her in her place by whipping out a dental dam to use on HER if she has the temerity to dare use a cover while snogging your schlong.

and he stated that "Any STD/Infection that one has will be transferred during the initial contact of a simple bbbj. If we are offering that service we may as well do the other two because if the guy has something, we have already caught it regardless of what we do with the stuff afterwards." Food for thought!

I just got a visual of some hot lady wrestling me down and forcing me at knife point to pleasure her. Thanks for the image. lol

tried to rape me at knifepoint, I'm afraid the only thing sticking up would be the hair on the back of my neck.

Ok ok, I will put away the knives. Sheesh

If the "victim" is unwilling.

Go ahead and put away the knives, can we still wrestle? (grin)

ok .... let me get this straight ....

your assumed given is = that it is rape if a guy cums in my mouth without me being willing.

So what is it if he squirts in my eye or egads worse yet my hair and I am not willing ?

OOPS, after re-reading the post - I realized  I mis -read  

Oh well, I'll leave this silly post up anyway - no need to respond to this ....

xo Lisa



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It would have to be DATY only, because with a knife at my throat I wouldn't be getting any wood.

that knife could be threatening some other part of the anatomy. Talk about performance anxiety. lol

Sure we can wrestle. Just don't cry when you get your butt kicked by a gurrrl *giggle*

Dude and you are hobbying you should know only safe-sex is no sex.

a) what you were swallowing

b) who you were spitting at

Given the right parameters (e.g., a golf ball and a cage fighter), both could be dangerous.

I saw an attractive lady who made it plain that BBBJ was definitely on the menu. After some DATY which produced a shuddering O on her part (including the telltale roseatte coloring on her chest and neck and a good bit of girl juice), she went down on me uncovered. She never said CIM wasn't on the menu and I never asked. After some skilled, wet DT, I felt my orgasm building and let go while she was performing DT. After the second spurt, she realized what was happening and gagged heavily, retching as she pulled away. She got up, ran to the bathroom and retched again several times over the john, door open. Once she composed herself, she came out and apologized, saying it wasn't me, CIM always produced that reaction from her, even from her BF. She said next time, please tell her in advance. She explained she only was a part time provider, supplementing her income as a computer tech and wasn't used to CIM from clients or from BF's.Needless to say, that little performance sort of ruined the mood and the evening.

OK, what is the etiquette here? If there is no mention beforehand that CIM isn't avaiailabe during a BBBJ, is the hobbyiest required to provide notice when the moment of truth arrives?

EWWWW AGAIN! LOL