I currently offer meeting on one flatbrate (with the exception of double meetings) but Im wondering is it unethical for a provider to charges extra $$ for services she considers outside of her normally service i.e: greek, gfe, bbj, cim if she clearly states the difference in prices and services before the meeting is confirmed?
Hobbiest & PROVIDERS i would really like to hear your feed back on this one. Which do you do consider more atractive? i would assume the flat rate was better but for those looking for just the basics may think otherwise? What are you thoughts?then there is no charge of upselling.
On the other hand, most clients like some simplicity to the rates, so think hard about it.
Personally, I prefer a flat rate with services clearly defined. In my opinion when a lady charges extra for a service that tells me she doesn't really enjoy that service but is willing to do it for an extra charge. Again this is just me but when I feel like a woman is doing something she doesn't actually enjoy it kinda puts a damper on the mood of the date. Greek is the obvious service most ladies will offer for an upgrade. If I'm doing greek I want to know (or at least delude myself) that the lady enjoys it and isn't just going thru the motions. Now if your talking about an a la carte menu that would be a little different. If you charge $400 and hour for FS/GFE but would do a BJ date for less than that that would be something to consider.
Granted some women will do things they don't like for money, but please don't assume that's the norm. The very same girls getting an extra 100-200 for greek are giving it away to their boyfriends or husbands, AND WITHOUT A CONDOM bwahahahaa.
So please...don't assume an "on demand" service with a condom is the same thing as doing it with a guy you are REALLY turned on by...far from it. Also, I love Cheese Cake, but I certainly would not eat it 5 times a week. Too much of ANY good thing, becomes a chore when every single person expects it, which is why I will never have one rate for everything. Even sex every day would get to the point of being redundant, and again...which is why I choose NOT to work that much.
Greek on demand takes TIME, patience, and that pesky condom makes things worth the extra rate. It's not the act itself but the preparation that goes with doing such things in the hobby, and with a condom. In order to like what you do, sometimes you have to do so in moderation. Having one rate, makes every guy think he is ENTITLED, which is the issue that bothers me.
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When I read through bunch of reviews, the reviews indicated extra whatever, for what certain things. So I was fully aware and expected it. Though at the end she didn't upcharge me cause my thingy wasn't like 14 inches and 8 inches thick.
I would though "frown" on so many potential upsell possibilities.
as it would ruin any fantasy that you actually are enjoying what you do, as for charging a premium for thinks like Greek or dressing up like a chicken are probably a different story, but to be honest while I do enjoy Greek from time to time, it's not a big deal to me, So my opinion on that subject might be a bit biased.
but I will say one thing that I am sure many guys will agree with, Charging extra for GFE would be a definite turnoff for me, and I would almost certainly pass on a lady who advertised as such.
Agree. If those things are not included up front, no session for me.
I agree as well. I would pass on anyone who charges extra.
I agree with the subject line.
I agree with GG on this. If a woman charges extra for GFE and BBBJ then she has totally lost me as a customer, which could be a long and prosperous one. Greek, i can see as an upsell, not everyone is into that, me included and i could take it or leave it. I will do it if the woman really wants to, but its not one of those sexual acts that i desire or must do.
FYI, gfe and bbbj are a given, but if you want THIS ass, it's 800! Just saying.
I prefer the prix fixe menu
Hobbiest & PROVIDERS i would really like to hear your feed back on this one.
Which do you do consider more atractive? i would assume the flat rate was better but for those looking for just the basics may think otherwise? What are you thoughts?
In order to offer an "ala carte" menu, you'll have to be pretty specific about individual acts, and I would think that would be problematic on several fronts - 1st, you are putting in writing specific sexual acts for specific amounts of money; second, you are telling a guy that you will give head, but for an extra 50 you'll take off the condom (or something like that) which would not sit well with me, I don't know how other guys would respond to that. Third, I would guess that you have a fairly substantial base rate, and then adding on to it for multiple positions or pops or other "acts", which could both annoy the client, and also take some fun out of the session itself (makes it even more "by the numbers" if the client's goal is passion, and instead is thinking "ok, now it is time to do this or that")
Some girls charge more for greek and some don't - but it is fairly accepted since it does require (for some) extra prep, extra down time.
If your standard service (and your preference) is CBJ, but are willing to do BBBJ for extra $$, I guess I can understand the logic but don't think it will sit well with the guys who want BBBJ. I have on occasion seen CBJ only providers, but only because 1) they were the only show in town at the moment and 2) their price was very low. I would NEVER pay "top dollar" for a CBJ only provider (and would not pay a survharge on top of an already substantial fee).
Charging extra for a "GFE" date smacks of low class and scam, because "GFE" has no meaning, and youcan get yourself into trouble this way. Some will insist that "GFE" means bareback intercourse. Others just think it means that you will be loving and affectionate. And others think it includes a specific menu like: DFK, BBBJ, CFS, multiple pops, etc, etc - and NO TWO will agree on the exact menu. So if you offer GFE, just remember that the client will be expecting HIS idea of GFE, not YOURS.
An upsell is defined as something one does AFTER a guy has agreed to the posted rate, for the SERVICES that coincide with that rate. Having TWO rates clearly posted for a guy to CHOOSE, is not an upsell...it's an option.
that I have seen twice and I'm still not sure what her rates are. I actually had to come back the next day with a benjamin cause she was all pouty with my donation. Clarity can make everyone happy!
and unlike many hookers who ask for advice and then ignore it, SHE actually seems to be listening to the people who's opinion really matters in this case, her prospective customers. and to that I say "Good for her"
It's not a matter of being right or wrong, this is a business and she was bright enough to not only ask what kind of reaction she would get, but it appears she also seems to be smart enough to listen to the overwhelming majority of the respondents that are telling her it's a bad idea.
Taylor might want to take notice of this thread, Have you noticed not a single poster has bashed the OP for her query, even though we don't agree with her idea?
I don't ever watch ESPN...I know, I know, somebody come take my man card from me, but if I could get cable without ESPN, my bill would be like $5 a month cheaper. I'm not complaining about the $5, but I don't like to pay for what I don't use. That said it would detract from the overall TV viewing experience knowing that there were certain options that were specifically not available, just in case I wanted to click over and watch for a minute or two.
If the a la carte services were clearly spelled out, then maybe the idea would work, but I suspect that it would take away from the whole experience. It would make the date even more transactional than it currently is. Plus, if I need a calculator to figure out how much to put in the envelope, you have become far too complicated of a relationship for my taste.
Plus I totally get it if you don't offer _____ (pick your favorite acronym). That's like me not getting BBC4. I know it in advance and it's no big deal, but for what you do offer, I would suggest that you KISS - Keep it simple sweetheart. All inclusive is the least complicated way to go.
It doesn't matter, as long as everything is up front and there are no surprises.
I have seen providers that charge a flat rate inclusive of Greek, I have seen providers that charge extra for Greek.
I usually ask before hand so there is no awkwardness or discomfort, and my profile says that I consider Greek and DATY "very important."
do a lil research and then go with what works for you personally. There is no right or wrong here but you have to do what fits with who you are and what you want to do. You cannot please everyone, let alone most of everyone out there, so stick to your gut. If you stay true to that, the bookings will continue to come and you haven't sacrificed what you believe in, in the end. And that is something you have to be comfortable with and live with after all is said and done.
Bottomline, if a gentleman really wants to spend time with you, he will.
She actually asked a question and then let the guys, (her potential customers) what they thought, rather than arguing with everyone who offered a different opinion than her preconceived ideas on the subject.
I am interested to see what SHE has to say when she comes back here to comment on the advice she has received. I will make you a bet that she doesn't start blasting the guys that didn't think that an ala carte menu is such a good idea.
Bottomline, a good business person makes it easier for people to say yes to seeing them, not harder.
she asked in bold nonetheless a simple response from the Providers as well. Bottomline, my discussion with her doesn't really concern you now does it. There is room for discussion from both parties. Noone is blasting anyone here but you. Pounce on someone else. Goodbye Gambler, oh and have a great day 
I have seen four providers in the past few months, two in Phoenix and two in San Francisco, that told me in advance, eithe verbally or in an ad, that they charged extra for GFE. Since I knew in advance, I did not consider this up selling.
Frankly, a lot of guys are not into the GSP experience, so I understand why they may want to offer it as an option. I don't think it's a matter of whether or not they don't enjoy doing the GSE stuff, I think it's a matter of it requiring more preparation and comfort with the hobbyist. Everyone thinks about the preparation that a provider needs to do in order to accommodate Greek, but there is also preparation involved in allowing DATY, for example, I think. There is a difference between being fresh and being super fresh. Also, I imagine that a provider who smokes will refrain from smoking prior to a GFE session with someone. One of the providers actually advertised as being non-GFE, but when I politely inquired (in person after we were comfortable with one another), she said that she was willing to do it for a small extra charge. She was really hot, and I really wanted to eat her, so I eagerly paid the extra. If I hadn't asked about it, it would never have come up, and I would have had an as-advertised experience with her at her advertised rate.
If you want to do ala carte services then that's like the old days where you paid a hooker one price for a BJ only, another price for F*cking only, or another price if you wanted "1/2 & 1/2" etc. You paid for the particular "service" not her time. Once you "came" (one cup only) you had to leave.
An escort provides you with her time and some minimum "services" that you may partake of during the time you have booked with her. Personally I prefer the latter scenario.
I've been to many brothels in the world, but never the ones in Nevada, nor do I ever plan to. I did however date a lady that worked at one, and from what she told me I have no interest of ever visiting one
Although there SHOULD be one, there is no government regulation regarding the label "GFE". However, in my neck of the woods (northeast), GFE almost always includes BBBJ / CIM. If not, it is "non-GFE" but can still be FS (full service; cbj and covered intercourse).
A simple menu list of STANDARD services is one thing (and many websites include them) but a menu PRICE list is a turn off for me. More acceptable is "One hour sensual fun $xxx; One hour full GFE $yyy; One hour full PSE $zzz" but you might have to clarify to clients what they are getting for the difference.
I'd check the local "standard" where you are and if you vary too much from the local "GFE", do not call yourself GFE.
Regarding Greek, I see it two ways: The "Extra fee; requires PRIOR NOTICE" version makes me think that my date is making special preparations for extra clean pleasure. If it's announced at the beginning or during the session it seems a little more along the "I don't want to but I will for an extra fee" line.
So, where ARE you
Don't get me wrong, it might be MY idea of GFE, but you are in a dream world to think that most GFs do it. You boys just keep adding, and adding so much shit to your list of GFE, that pretty soon, we will be expected to bathe your fkin dog, and have drinks with your parents. Sigh.
Dear Miss London (If that really is your name). Just how much would you charge to wash a dog?
Are you able to accommodate any dog larger than a pug?
I assumed all GF for their CIVVIE bfs.. I always did... but I hear more and more from guys saying they dont do it?c who knew
You prove my point about why we need a government regulation and Consumer Protection Administration enforcement of "GFE" definitions.
Furthermore, I consider pet grooming to be a part of standard non-GFE services so I won't be payting extra for THAT! Except nail clipping: that's an upcharge.
A standard meeting should include BJ & GFE. In my area, it is expected that excursions to Greece will cost additional...
I think an itemized menu would spoil the mood... frankly, I would not see someone who did this. (Excluding Greek as I said earlier). I'm not going to be taking out my billfold & figuring out the donation.
There was a case not too long ago, where LE busted a provider and a client with evidence that sexual activity took place and money was exchanged. Part of prosecution evidence was the providers website - that stated GFE - that listed fees for time but listed no sex acts. While it was found (by a jury) that sex took place and the client had anticipated sex would take place during their time together, the exchange of money was a flat rate for the providers time, and therefor did not meet the criteria of money exchanged for a sex act, which was how the state law was written. There was a full acquittal, basically because there was no "menu" or structured fees for services
50 kisses included (no tongue), each additional 15 kisses with tongue--add $. BJ minus cover--add $, CIM with spit--add $, CIM swallows--add $, FS by position--add $, etc. Who wants to do that??
I know the houses in Nevada have these super creative "menus" lol
We had one too, but I cant recall the items
Basically it had a cool menu name, and a description of the service under it lol
Still pricing by acts, but at least done creatively lol
Don't itemize bundle. These services for this price. These services for more. Make it up front. Honestly if it was me Fuck that. I do my research and you do what I want for the right price or you don't. End of story.
MANY times lol
I remember years ago (long long time) I did 20min appts, 40 then a hr lol
I remember I charged for greek then I wouldnt lol
I recall doing a rate for GFE appts then adding in a bunch of fetish, bdsm, kinky stuff to the gfe greek inc too) and called my GFE+ services lol
Then I went back to just GFE or I would do GFE and then my PSE (I like personal slut exp)
I have had 90min minimums, and hrs, then hhrs
I have been high then low lol
I finally settled on what is on my website now...
Basically a session that has public/social time included, built in and I do 1.5hr then I do everything on the hhr.. so 2.5h 3.5hr etc
I decided on this finally, and I know it works well...guys like how I make it like a date (with the public time)
Yes I was alot higher in my rates years ago, but with the economy, and myself gained weight I dropped it for now
I can understand charging for greek, but not GF
I work both as an idependent and charge one fixed fee all included but if you work for someone else and they set the tone you have to charge the extras bec they like turnover and that is a mixture of guys who pay less and guys who want covered bj's and not much else and short times.