I think the answer is yes.  After all, their livlihood depends on that, so why shouldn't they?

I don't think that the reverse is true, i.e., that men understand escorts, at all.  In fact, I don't think men (or for that matter women) understand women.  

Even Freud was stumped by that one.

You can't know the unknowable, after all.

Anyone with a brain knows that half of them don't understand themselves let alone understanding men. They suck and fuck for a living. What do you expect?

"better then men understand themselves"
Where do you come up with this stupid shit?

Would they do that if they did not understand what motivates us?

I think that they prey on various instinctive and reflective insticts by buttering us up and making us feel dominant, useful and sexually irresistable.

Further I think men deny this fact (That's why I say they understand us better than we do.)  Self denial is a very male thing, I think.  (In fact, the tone of your post reinforces my opinion.)

I also think that the aforementioned is just the start and there are even deeper levels that the best gals understand.

I also don't mean this perjoratively, I think it is great that they do what they do and enjoy it.

Where is the name of all that is holy does she store all that wonderful gal juice she gushes over and over again.

I kept looking for the hose hook up, but couldn't find it!

unless he was a bit unhinged.

My own therapist told me that he could never be effective unless he experienced first hand the neurosis that his clients came to him with; and he was pretty scooters himself in many ways.

But damn, after a few years of therapy with him, I was a much happier person.  (And by that, I mean I was getting laid a lot more!)

when my ex wanted me to get fucked by her divorce lawyer!

and I think I may understand men better than most civvie women do.  

But I don't think I understand men better than they understand themselves.  Evidence would be that men still do things that simply baffle me.  But then, maybe that's good - life would be boring if everyone was  predictable....

ROFLMAFO I wud say the same fucking thing but you beet me to the puncher LOL!!!

I hear so many married men, say they would never leave their wife, because he's just now starting to figure her out, and there's still more I'm learning about her. LOL! And this couple was married for 25 years at the time, when he made this statment. Its 31 years, and they're still together.

As for as escorts, only time I start to really understand why a particular young lady is in the biz, is after I've seen her a few times, and usually through some small talk here and there.

1. A few providers I've met, I kinda figure out they're into making fast, and quick money, and are addicted to the amount of cash they bring in.

2. Some I've met, are doing this just to pay their way through college, or pay off college.

3. And this was in the said one. You know she's getting pimped, and does not like doing this.

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Depends on the woman.

Sure there is opportunity to learn a great deal about men, but not everyone is good at learning, not everyone is good at observing, and not everyone understands *people* never-mind genders.   To understand either sex well you first have to have a fundamentally strong understanding of people as a whole.

Some women learn to hate men, others appreciate them, still others understand them.   I've heard escorts say some appalling and untrue things about men.  Not every escort has to understand men for their livelyhood.  If a woman's core business is single hour dates, she just has to be reasonably good at sex. It does not mean she has a deep understanding of sexuality nor of the male gender.  If you are leaning towards dinner dates, overnights, weekends and vacation trips - an understanding of men becomes more vital.

There are men that understand women, and they aren't a small minority.  It's normal to believe that something true for oneself is true for others.  The problem for most people trying to understand the opposite gender is that they do so based on their own understanding of the world and their own life experiences, not very many people can step outside THEMSELVES in order to understand someone else.  You can't understand women using male thought processes, and you can't understand men using female thought processes. You actually have to be able to reconstruct another persons reality and be able to put your own instinct and contexts aside.

It's EXACTLY like trying to intimately understanding a very different culture.  For example gaining deep understanding of Japanese, Indian or African society if very hard for most North Americans (and vice versa).  Sure you can learn the language, the etiquette and the traditions. However that isn't the same as understanding the tapestry of the psychology of those cultures.

Freud was himself leaning towards insane. Though he had some ground breaking theories he had a lot of pretty strange ones too and often discussed himself as being issue laden.

What things baffle you, Natasha?

It is when they throw up their hands and say that it is "impossible" to understand the other gender that they shortchange themselves.

My father once told me there is a dramatic difference between having five years of experience, and having one year of experience five times. He is right, of course.

Though I think what I would call "lifestyle escorts" or courtesans have a leg up on other women in understanding men, I don't believe other escorts have much of an advantage at understanding men as whole people, and may even be at a disadvantage.

I'm going to pick on Ms. Summerhill as an example of a courtesan simply because I like her and think she's a good example. Because of the nature of her business model, she spends an extensive amount of time with a given client. I think I read in some of her posts that she has had some clients for a decade or more, and that it isn't unusual to spend a week at a time together. This gives her a lot of time to truly KNOW the man. To be able to observe him not just at his best, but at his worst -- to gain an understanding of his motivations, his fears, his loves.

She doesn't just see him when he's horny for sex, she sees him when he might not even be in the mood. She sees him when he's feeling great, and feeling not so great. She sees him react to various life events. And she has had hundreds of hours of conversation. Now, multiply this by her client base, and when you consider that the average woman reports only 3 partners in her lifetime, you quickly discover that Ms. Summerhill has a vast understanding from a diverse group of men that would make her, at a bare minimum, 600% more knowledgeable than most women.

She can identify a man's hierarchy of emotional needs almost instantly and I will agree -- especially given that most men aren't emotionally conversant -- she likely knows more about the man's emotions and motives than he does. This is dramatically enhanced by the fact that she has extensively read and researched the subject, is highly intelligent, and can approach it in a multidisciplinary way. They are used to being able to pull from their knowledge base intuitively in reaction to body language the man doesn't even know he's sending.

Women like that scare me, just a little. LOL Even though I'm plenty bright, more emotionally aware than most and probably more widely read in the field than any man I know, I realize that someone like Ms. Summerhill outclasses me in that realm and can outclass me before I realize it.

The word "escort" is a bit amorphous. There is no clear dividing line between an escort and a courtesan -- and to some degree each acts in the role of the other. It is more of a continuum. But as I have used Ms. Summerhill as one end of the spectrum, I will use an extreme on the other end for illustration purposes, and I'll call her Ms. Z. (Ms. Z is a composite and is no single identifiable individual.)

Ms. Z is 23 years old, out of work, and after a series of failed relationships is basically seeing guys for $150/hr so she can put food on the table because she has no other marketable skills. I am not making an adverse valuation of that -- heck, I've essentially killed for money so I'm in no position to judge, but it is what it is. In this role, she sees a man for 55 minutes, collects his money and then sees the next. She sees the exact same circumstance day in and day out. What she learns of men is actually such a small subset of behavior as to give an extremely distorted view.

I am reminded of an escort who wanted to date me about 15 years ago. (I didn't meet her that way)  She thought all it required was laying me a lot and acting nice. She didn't have the slightest clue as to a man's actual emotional needs for things like a broader sense of acceptance and a perception of her reliability. She didn't understand that for anything long term, what was between her legs was among her least important attributes. Even though she was very bright, her understanding of men had been compromised by the small subset of male personality she had seen repeatedly -- especially by the BAD aspects of male personality with which she had dealt.  This made her paranoid, cynical and someone who tried to solve all problems with her vagina. I think she lasted two weeks and never realized why she was dumped.

Naturally, most sex workers fall somewhere between the two extremes of Ms. Z and Ms. Summerhill. But I would point out that nearly all human capacities -- including the capacity to understand the motivations of others -- can be mapped on a Bell Curve.

By definition, half of all escorts, if we consider escorts substantially like other women, will have a lower-than-median intrinsic capacity for things like empathy. But even those who are above median in that capacity then have to cope with the effects of environment -- because quite frankly there aren't enough super-rich guys out there to support many courtesans so most sex work is going to be hourly. So even a great many escorts who might have extraordinary capacities primarily see an environment of hourly gentlemen. Some will see it on the higher end, no doubt -- but it is still a guy practicing the 4Fs of Find, Finger, Fuck and Forget.

As a result, MOST escorts (numerically) I would say end up having 1 year of experience five times, as opposed to five years of experience; and there is a dramatic difference. Many fall on the continuum somewhere, and approximate the knowledge and experience of other women who don't do sex work -- which makes them more knowledgeable than most men. And a few are essentially absolute experts on dealing with men, and should probably be required to take something akin to the Hippocratic Oath. (*grin*)

ROFLMFAO!!!! If these girls cud make a shitload of $$$ doing something esle witout spreading their fucking legs for fat old johns, then they wud. But they aint good at nuttin else but selling their looks n hot bods. It aint a fuckign glamerous job even if they gots you believing  that it is LOL.

always a pleasure to read your posts.

I confess that my eyes glazed over before getting to the end, but that's not the issue.  You mention an example of a guy not being in the mood for sex.  Does that really happen?  Sounds like propaganda to me, lol.

That's my only takeaway from years of studying physics.

But to answer your question, of course escorts understand men well, but they're experts in a rather predictable aspect of male behavior.  To expand that to a broader conclusion is somewhat risky, and very much a function of the individual woman involved.

I've dated two escorts for extended periods of time (6 years and 2 years), and I can assure you that there were plenty of things they didn't understand about me or men's behavior in general.  Just as I didn't understand much of their behavior.

I can explain my behavior and I am super empathetic.  Men tend to be mysteries not with their sexuality, but with their emotions.  If men were more open with their feelings women would understand men better.  and btw, I do not like receiving "cock" pics.  I think the man is sexier and the cock comes later on.

It is a sad day when it does happen let me tell you that!

Here is a photo for all the guys in the mood for but not getting any sex right now. Photo is from Met-Art.com and is of Tacia A.

But I've had a rough few days. LOL

I know I have had more than my share lately or rough days. I was hoping I was alone in not being in the mood for sex because life has kicked the shit out of you. Hope things go better for you.

from the sounds of it, you don't want to learn.

Besides the bald fact that most of us CHOOSE this lifestyle (which takes a certain amount of intelligence), many of us are great at living the rest of our lives outside of being providers. Some of us have Ph.Ds, MILFs of course have families, and some of us learn to invest for when we're out of the game. So, STFU about that "ain't good at nuttin else" crap.

Also, if you want to be taken seriously by other hobbyists, drop the stupid redneck accent and learn to spell. Text-speak is an affront to many on this board.

Thank goodness you don't want to impress providers!

Good to see you posting again. I was going to tell him off but after I read what I wrote I felt it would just get pulled so I never clicked "post message."

and we love it LOl

for someone of your young age . very nice and understanding though.