Has anyone come across this before -- been accused of being an undercoverd vice busting the ladies on TER?  It just happened to me, and in all places, Las Vegas.  

This girl, Kelli, who I had emailed and talked to over the phone showed up after being almost an hour late at 1am-ish said she was not comfortable with me, and that I was a vice trying to bust her.  Freaking unbelievable!  And, I got everything ready to have a good time also.

If someone had experienced this situation before, please share and show me how I could have better handled the conversation?  Thanks.

saying "Have a nice life." and showing her out and staying away.  God knows what brought it on, more than likely crack induced paranoia but whatever it is, you don't need it or want it.

Start over again with a well rereviewed provider.

I had thought better of you than to state that a lady, I assume, you don't even know uses crack, and as far as your suggestion he see a well reviewed provider...the lady he mentions actually has 9 pages of reviews where she averages around a 8-9 for performance...

Me I have no idea what happened with the lady in question, and I have no idea why she thought what she did, other than things have been pretty hot in Vegas recently, with many stings and busts.

The original poster asks how he could have handled the conversation better....but doesn't actually write anything of what he said during the conversation.

I don't know Miss kelli, but I don't know what happened in the room either...what I do know is you Mr Fisher put yourself up as some sort of expert about ladies and the "hobby" on many boards and tend to say things that most folks agree with and you have gathered yourself a bit of a following here (evidenced by the debacle that was you getting moderated). You may not have asked for people to take your words seriously, or to think that you have some insight into this world (though you do tend to imply if not state outright that you have insight and experience that should make you be listened to) so, for you to so carelessly and flippantly state that a woman "most likely has crack induced paranoia"  you should be a little sure of it before saying so...because some people will think you actually know this for a fact, and think the worst of a lady that, I again assume, you don't even know.

Now if I am wrong on this, and you do know what you stated to be fact...then a bit more fact would be nice to include.

experienced this situation before, although from the other end.

You obviously said or did something to make her feel uncomfortable. Without a transcript of your conversation or at least some idea of what was said, how can we advise you on how you could have better handled the conversation?  

Perhaps a better handling of the situation would have been to ask Kelli privately instead of slamming her on a public forum? Just a thought.

To murder character is as truly a crime as to murder the body: the tongue of the slanderer is brother to the dagger of the assassin.
-- Tryon Edwards

Fear can easily get out of control in the hobby. There are all kinds of rumors spread about various boards working hand 'n' hand with LE.  I think it's an urban legend, and a malicious rumor, but that's a different subject.

There's too many questions that need to be asked here.  First about you: how did you handle it?  From the tone, I take it that you were shocked and reacted very badly.

Also, you decided to identify the lady before you got any answers on this thread. That's unnecessary  and unfair.  You shouldn't get insulted.  Upon a first meeting, suspecting the other person is LE shouldn't insult anyone. Remember, anybody can claim to be any handle on this board, even LE can impersonate one of us.        

The questions I would have asked her: is she giving this as the excuse of why she is late? She couldn't rid herself of the notion that you must be LE?  

I could understand providers getting paralyzed with fear and flaking-- it's probably a major behind a lot of their flake outs.  Was she confessing her fear?  

If so, she must have gotten over by then it if she eventually came to meet you, but is she confessing she's not quite over it?  I wonder how many other ladies have had to overcome it and don't tell clients anything?

If she hasn't overcome her fear, I think you should be able to quickly dispel it by offering to let her leave right then.  The fact is, she's already an hour late at that point, no matter what the reason.

If you could bring yourself to reschedule, then do it, and give her another reference to check out.  A vice cop would never do this: she'd be in the wagon already.  However, the drawback is that you still have your hormones to contend with.  Hope you had a contingency lady in mind...

The way I would have handled it, I would have said look, let's not go through with this if you're not comfortable.  There's no reason to get insulted by the fear, though her being an hour late is something else.  

I agree with Ms. Webterrorist.  In the hobby, it's not like you need crack to get paranoid about LE...

It would have been completely appropriate to ask for help in maybe understanding how you could have handled a certain situation better. On that subject, you also would need to give more information that you did in order for others to be able to assist you.

Why is the post wrong though? Because you felt needed to out her or expose her before getting any of the help you were seeking. I don't think most people here would be asking for her name or website link, but more information about what happen, so as to help you.

I will admit, yes I do know Kellie. I have seen her a couple three times. I can also assure you she is not on Crack for Mr. Fisher's benefit (shame). One thing that might apply here, just guessing, is that a very dear friend of her's was busted by LE in very similar circumstances. Would that make is slightly gun shy? Maybe.

The is not white knight to the rescue, it is just saying that exposing her here added nothing to your reaching out for assistance.

As far as outing the provider goes, it seems alot of personal complaints about providers, where her name is not listed, result in other members asking for her name. Possibly me3 was just trying to avoid this.       Personally, I don't think I would have outed the provider unless asked to.     It appears this post was written more out of anger and frustration than anything else. When I have a bad experience (rare) with a provider, I give myself a few days to cool off, and look at it more realistically, not pure emotion. I can then see the whole picture, including my part of it, and make an accurate judgment as to what to do.

Ever had a gut feeling? If something doesn't seem right, I'm not going to stick around and find out otherwise...been there, done that, and went to jail.

When I got to the hotel I called him and he needed a few minutes before he would be downstairs. I waited for a while, called again (no answer x2) so I started walking back to the parking garage. He ran up from behind me and startled me. He was talking and walking me back towards the elevator, so fast--I was already hesitant plus the fact he was relentless trying to get me upstairs. TOTAL VICE VIBE. I asked him for ID--He didn't have any on him. I asked why he wasn't carrying his ID (He had his wallet--pulled it out in front of me), he answered me "why? why would I need it here?" I told him I would wait for him if he wanted to go retreive it..he declined. He insisted that I go upstairs and he'll show me. I then asked him where he was from (making conversation plus testing him on his area code). He couldn't give me a definate answer on that either. You just continued to pressure me into going upstairs....So I walked-- (or tried to....he kept me there for almost an hour trying to get me to go upstairs)
So me3, to answer your question...you tried way too hard. Wouldn't produce any Identification..shrugged it off like it was a stupid request. Didn't consider my standpoint or concerns. I was VERY uneasy because of your actions. I think any girl in my shoes would have ran too.  
You called me an hour later than our planned time, so I figured that it was a no-show so I got into my pajamas. Yes it took me a while to get ready to go out.--take a little responsibility for the nights fiasco. Another thing....you didn't have everything ready for a good time...I had everything you wanted in my bag, you asked me to bring all my "things" with me.

By the way....I'm not into crack---but thanks for asking.

-- Modified on 12/23/2006 10:08:34 PM

I should not have made the flippant reference to crack especially where an actual person, not just a reference to some nameless provider was made.

I also need to remember that there are two sides to a story and I thank Kelli for bringing her side here.

Thank you to all for the well deserved  comeupance.

I remember that this is a business deal, as well as a social engagement. Every provider is wary of LE, as am I. The first order of business here is to assure each other that neither one of us is LE. This requires considerable tact and diplomacy, and most of all, patience. Since LE generally acts alot like a bull in a china closet, and wants to hurry and ram the law on us, a lack of patience on either party is going to be scary. There are alot of other subtle clues that direct our fears, and it's my place to ease as much of them as possible. That means research the provider, read her body language, the tone of her voice,  and conduct myself in a manner worthy of her time. The rewards are well worth the effort!

Bravo Kelli!!!!!! Good for you!!! It has less to do with him personally and more to do with the fact that you should never deviate from your established safety screening procedures! No ID, no dice! If he was so hot for you, he should have gone upstairs to get it. And what's this crap about not knowing one's area code? You did good in leaving. The whole thing sounds supercreepy to me. And in a hotel, on top of it. Jeez. It's not worth any amount of money to get arrested. Sorry about your prior, btw. But live and learn. And that goes for you too, me3.

I could give a lot suggestions on how he could have handled "it" better.