By 2030 it is estimated by some that 50% of all adult females will be single and childless.  This likely corresponds with the current ballooning of the "sugar baby" sites.  Although on the gray line, this does have a legal footing and it's likely sex for hire will increase more in the sugar markets than illegal prostitution.  It's also a psychological shield for the ladies, since being a mistress is a step up from being considered a prostitute.
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For guys this is advanced notice to start investing, saving etc, for a cash cushion in order to avail yourself of this growing opportunity for sexual variety.

i have been 90% using SB sites vs the traditional escort sites for quite a while.   number of reasons.   it also holds true to remember the three F's ...   if it flys, floats or fucks ........ its cheaper to lease.

Sugar babies don’t require deposits.  

Too into themselves (narcissistic) here in North America, and that's  because of the way they were raised and culture.  You can live next to people who never say hi, good morning,  etc,sometimes you don't even know who they  are for year...talking about a fucked up culture. I  have travelled to places where people have way less and are so happy and social.

I’ll stick with monger at least for the time being. My monger success ratio is much higher than my sugar ratio despite plenty of effort. Sugar maybe less expensive but comes with its own quirks. And I hate sugar sites, much better luck IRL. IMHO US monger culture is much more mature and efficient than any sugar channel and I don’t think that will change soon. But, happy to be wrong.

Two different games.. Can’t compare like that in my humble opinion…

 
It’s like comparing one’s Batting Average with Passing percentage or QBR rating..   You are not going to get the level of success you get in monger world as you get in the SD world.  My data shows that my successs rate is 1% to 2%. So for every 100 girls I contact, I will sleep with 1 or may be 2.

 
Monger culture is much more efficient, but highly transactional (hence I always use it when I travel). Sugar culture is much more nuanced and takes a bit of a finesse to navigate.  I always liken it to ordering food from restaurant (fast food place or a high end steakhouse - doesn’t matter, it’s still a restaurant, v/s doing your own groceries and cooking yourself a nice meal)

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Well you know what this is about, right?    

2 things:  1)  The Diabetes & Obesity epidemic in the USA.... so many young people are overweight and diabetic (primarily due to diet and especially the LACK of ANY exercise due to computers and video games), such that significant numbers of males 30 years and younger are not ABLE to have healthy sexual activity, or have less interest in sex to begin with...within this you have some of the infamous "Incel" demographic...

2) The complete OVER-saturation and proliferation of Pornography (and the intense, explicit intensity of the actual pornography)....young males in their teens when they first learn to masturbate are doing so while viewing NOT simply pictures of naked women, but gangbangs, blowbangs, cream pie videos and so forth....it's absurd.   They never develop any social /dating /interaction skills, and because porn is so readily accessible and available, they become perpetual chronic masturbators ("jerker-offers")...it's a terrible situation.

I myself recall my teen years....I grew up in the late 70s and early-mid 80s....PLAYBOY, PENTHOUSE and an occasional Hustler was all my generation had to scar our minds with....I cannot IMAGINE growing up in the last 25 years thru today, with all the unbelievably stimulating filth that is out there!   These kids stand ZERO chance of growing up into healthy balanced human beings....porn induces excessive masturbation, and excessive masturbation ingrains SELFISH tendencies, not just in sex but in everything.   I've seen it first hands with my young nieces and nephews....they lack empathy and a lot of other important qualities.

As the Maitre'd in Ferris Bueller said...."I weep for the future"....

I agree with everything Boobsman said here....in other cultures and countries, the people are far more neighborly, generous and kind....and thus HAPPY.   In the USA, where there is abundant material wealth, there is apathy and even hostility for neighbors.   You can live next to people for decades, houses full of people.... and no one has a clue about each other....sad.

you mean when you say you have seen excessive masturbation "first hands?"  

NO

lester_prairie,
  If you believe that then you are crazy!!!  I've been Escorting for 30 years and I've had more clients that did not want to use a condom (More then using the condoms). And If I am not the only female who gets that type of client then females will get pregnant (Unless the client pulls out quickly).  

The 4B movement emerged in South Korea  
4B is a shorthand for the four Korean words bihon, bichulsan, biyeonae and bisekseu, which translate to no marriage, no childbirth, no dating and no sex with men.
Could this be a thing here now?!
Me, yeah I can see it. It’s gonna be tough for single men under 30, me thinks

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Sugar babies eventually feel entitled. Best to mix it up.

The minimum replacement rate is 2.1.

an interesting, thought provoking, intelligent post about a real issue ...  how was this allowed on TER  ?:    

but seriously very interesting and i can understand the issues discussed,  i grew up of course with Playboy magazines and 8mm silent stag movies.    

i can not imagine how all the intense porn now online can set up unrealistic expectations , very sad.  

China is not Korea, I know!

I met a Chinese woman socially, i.e., she wasn't a provider. She was a 45 y.o. divorced mother.

Eventually, we ended-up in the sack and boy was she ever clueless!! You might say "How could she be clueless when she had kids?" In conversation, I gathered that her husband had rolled-over on her, and shot his wad a few times and nothing more. So no attempt was made to please her. Talk about a blank slate, and a lot of fun!

This was a perfect opportunity to bring out the Magic Wand vibrator, which rocked her world! She used it half the night with my assistance. The next morning, I knew she was awake when I heard zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I remember the 70s, when I could come repeatedly. 15 minutes after shooting my wad, I'd be hard again! Girlfriend complaining of soreness.

Boy, things have changed!

Quirks for sure. SB creates way more of a relationship potential.  Like having a side chick. Usually don’t fall out of love at the exact same time. Never pay for s*x, pay for them to go away!!! Keep it simple.