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manipulation vs illusion
JustAGal See my TER Reviews 167 reads
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If both parties involved fully comprehend the nature of communication and hobby in general is it still manipulation?

I would use word "manipulate" only if one party is being unaware that someone is trying to alter his/her behavior.

In instance of GFE encounters, both parties aware that nature or relationship is based on fantasy. Well, at least I hope they are :-)

So, is it manipulation or magic?

Xoxo

Lina

I will start with my two favorites...

1.First time visit out of sight more than great GFE..After I came she said "Don't get up Hold me tight" so I did while she kept squeezing  me to try to keep me up..After quicker than I wished I was down to 50% and I said " I better get up so the condom doesn't fall off" She looked at me with those beautiful eyes and said " Don't worry Sweetie  if it comes off I will have your baby and you will take care of me and live happily ever after"

 Haven't been back

2. A provider I had seen many times but not lately at that time ,sends me a email that says...."Don't ask me why but I had a dream we had sex last night" She just happened to arrive in town a couple weeks later

Haven't been back

My name isn't Goober ..Whats your name?

I hate it when I laugh if she "acts" like she comes, before 11 minutes and 69 seconds..

Ooooo I can wait twelve minutes? I usually count to five minutes in my head and do it then. Good to know.....

SizeQueen302 reads

but we are just victim's desperate for cash
just kidding!
lol
do you resent it that the woman can feel pleasure when you are the one paying?
what if she squirts to soon for you?
is there some kind of squirt on demasnd trick?
would you hate it if she was really just a horny slut  and is just getting paid for coming when she is supposed to be working?

I never bothet to type a guy's name in emails either.
now you should hate that , right?lol

-They immediately return to the internet post-session to play martyr and report the provider's broken vagina.

"I don't think she came.  She needs a break."
Or
"She was a little businesslike."

LOL

I feel so relieved when I meet people who are unafraid to let me enjoy myself and do what I do happily without forcing me to fake a payoff if there isn't one to be had at that time.

A lot of that epidemic faking is because some clients require it.

And if they tell you that every girl gets off fast with them you KNOW it's going to be bad.........cuz that means everyone fakes it fast because whatever theyre doing to give us the big O is so painful, odd, or feels like we're being prodded by aliens.

buckeye619195 reads

If I pay to play...Macdaddy...why would I care if you fake it?...afterall...it's just business

I know some guys don't care, I was talking about-shudder, gag-the ones that want me to get off first. Ironically, they are worse at oral than the ones who don't care.

Macdaddy...I find your honesty and contempt for for johns....ooooops....hobbiests...sort of stimulating...you dont hang out in Ohio...by chance?...lollllllllllllllllll

Every girl DOES get off fast with me, but they do it multiple times.  So I KNOW I am just that good!

;)

By the way, what does that, "prodded by aliens" type of thing feel like?  No.  Wait.  I don't want to know.

Prodded by aliens can best be described as a customer jamming their fingers, tongue, other body part near an orfice of their choice...dirsctly in, never at a nice angle.....unable to find it or generally lacking knowledge about where it is, they poke and prod even harder at smooth skin where no opening is present, attempiting to create an opening to save face. Hope that helps.

I just had one ask me if I would quit and let him take care of me; yet he has problems coming up with the donation every week (which is a 15 min session). I'm not saying stupid, but seriously?

If I could only stop laughing long enough to add my own!!! You didn't want to spend the rest of your life with your GFE?

killabeez297 reads

Your right but alot of these providers use lines like this on the every day guy.....and half of them are here with a point of view like they are the ultimate man and please their provider to no end! But thats part of the fantasy....pleasing the women as well. From some of the posts I have read people have a very entitled point of view and from the poll I read earlier most of the guys providers see are rated a 5 or 6 on the beauty scale and most of them are married. Weird.........

Once a fellow (he was on top) looked down at me immediately afterward and with an intense stare directly on me said "We've just made a baby"

I can only imagine the look of shock and sheer horror on my face.

But he blinked and started to laugh. .and he said "oh, no..no that is only my fantasy - everything is ok."

Apparently some men fantasize about that... Weird but true.

I've had a vasectomy so no more kids, but I have had a few BB situations where I have said something like this. Not as a scare tactic, but just because it feels so dirty!

Knocking up a provider - In fantasyland, that's really hot! In the real world, not so much...

the ambience is created by these and other such endearments lol

I'll play the game anytime in lieu of a quick and dirty with a streetwalker.


Gotta be a good sport.


Oh!  I rarely see a lady a second time anyway.

What do we say that is spooky to providers?!   lol!

While I can honestly say that I have actually had #2 occur to me (where I am the one who has the dream!)

shudaknownbetter153 reads

I've woken up in the night...  very hard...  & realized I'd been dreaming of one of my Favs...  (Not always the same one.)  Mmmm...  

Spooking providers?  That's easy, the "L" word.  
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1. - OMG I've never had anyone play with my ass before, do you have any BIGGER toys? (it's all I can do not to rofl).

2. - I feel so close to you, is it ok if I say "I love you"

3. - Did you miss me?

4. - I bet you can't get our last session out of your mind (sometimes true but for different reasons).

5. - No really, I didn't take any Viagra.

"Oh baby I just love to suck your big cock."

Yes, it worked; I came in less than a minute after she said that.

I've received some pretty good GFE sucker lines by some real experts that are absolutely custom-tailored.

But I have to say, I can REALLY admire that!

Let's face it, it's marketing -- and marketing, no matter how nicely you dress it up -- is manipulation. But as long as it is GOOD manipulation -- why shoot it down just because you can recognize it?

But if you KNOW it is manipulation, you can just relax and play along!

And never forget, the condom evens the odds and if a guy does his own cleanup; it lets HIM fake the big O just to get an inept provider off him.

And -- yes -- I HAVE faked orgasm before. I LOVE condoms. LOL

If both parties involved fully comprehend the nature of communication and hobby in general is it still manipulation?

I would use word "manipulate" only if one party is being unaware that someone is trying to alter his/her behavior.

In instance of GFE encounters, both parties aware that nature or relationship is based on fantasy. Well, at least I hope they are :-)

So, is it manipulation or magic?

Xoxo

Lina

Hmmm ...

I think people can willingly participate in "suspension of disbelief" -- and this applies to the illusion.  The actual process of GFE is absolutely illusion rather than manipulation.

And, absolutely, I agree -- it really can be practically magical.

But the GFE magical illusion is a separate thing from marketing/advertising/sales.

Almost all advertising and marketing is a form of manipulation in that it attempts to cause a person to undertake behaviors or make purchases that would otherwise not happen had s/he not been exposed.

Not all manipulation is badly-intended, of course -- and not all of it is focused on the unwitting. In addition, some of the intended behaviors might even be in the best interests of the person being manipulated. Witness, for example, various anti-smoking advertising. In fact, savvy marketers actually formulate win-wins.

I deal with sales-people all the time. Almost universally these days, companies send out super-pretty women to sell me stuff. And that, in and of itself is a form of manipulation. It doesn't work with me, of course; but it doesn't hurt me either.

So rather than call up the company and berate them for an obvious attempt to stack the deck; I simply enjoy the fact they think influencing me is important enough to start recruiting hot women with PhDs to call on me. (*grin*)

So I definitely distinguish between manipulation (marketing/advertising/sales) and the product being sold (illusion/magic).

But I don't apply any adverse values to these. As far as I can tell, I'm plenty smart enough to figure all that stuff out; and no provider (of which I am aware) has targeted me with anything contrary to my best interests or what my natural desires would be anyway.

If anything, I find it flattering rather than cause for concern.

:-)

I have gotten the, "I wish I had met you outside of this contex," a couple of times.

I never quite know what to make of that.

Does it mean:
"You're so great I wish I could date you, but since you see prostitutes I think you are kinda scummy deep down."

Or is it supposed to imply:
"If I had met you in a bar, at least I could simply say, 'No!', but since you're paying me, it is more difficult."

Then there is the, "I can't believe you're single and never been married."

Is she saying:
"You're so hot, I can't believe some lucky gal hasn't snagged you yet."

Or is it more:
"You seem so snivelly and clingy that I would have thought that, by now, you would have managed to find at least one woman desperate enough to say, 'Yes' even if it was simply to stop your whining."

I need answers!    :)

Because data is insufficient!

In my case, I see providers for the specific purpose of protecting civie girls from the possible adverse consequences of my predation. So the more adverse the interpretation, the better. LOL

For the 'I wish I had met you outside' I think that means you're so cute that I would have asked you out/dated you, but since now you know what I do I can't.

when I have to politely remind guys that I'm not looking for a boyfriend, husband, etc.

1.  " Belinda, will you marry me?"

   For the third time since Christmas, No, honey, I am not the marrying kind. But, thank you.

2. "Belinda, will you move to Green Bay to be with me?"  

   No, honey, I really don't want to move to Green Bay.  I'm not too fond of the Packers and besides I'm not looking for a boyfriend.

   " Oh but you will be soon!"  

3.  "Belinda, run away to Chicago with me!  I will pay for everything except your donation!"

    No, I will need to stay home and work, sorry.

OYE OYE OYE

Because you probably gave them the best experience they've had in a long long time! (*grin*)

I think this whole idea has a lot of room for fun in it -- it can take the GFE illusion straight into the realm of unbelievable mind-bending.

I don't think it could be made a general offering though unless we want LG to have to offer a full-time business straightening out the folks who couldn't handle it.

But it has real potential.

Dick_Mussell198 reads

That my dick is soooo big.
I also frequently get complimented on my body. Do they think I am blind or that I don't own a mirror :)
It's all good.    

I had one lady say, "I hope I have a big enough condom". I'm not sure what see was eyeballing.

Tucker Max142 reads

Like, ..."I'll let you know right before I cum" (when she has your dick in her mouth!) Last gal I did that too, I swear it came out of her nose!

Or, ..."Yes, you are my ATF" (along with a dozen others!)

This isn't "romance" people, it's sex!!

go, go...make a lot of money and spend it on me
(after a just an alright session)

I almost called in sick

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