What's all you guys' opinions on providers offering showers beforehand?  I've primarily divested in Asian gals who seem to enforce this but most non-Asian providers are casual about this or just don't care and get right down to business.   I've had some severe issues "down there" as a result of this with the latter group.  Being a clean freak myself I won't do anything without a thorough (if not erotic) shower and if I smell funk on the bed I'm immediately done with the session.

Anyone?

i've always said "once you get past the smell, you've got it licked"

I usually stop by the gym and very thoroughly shower on my way to the appointment so I arrive fresh.

However, if the lady wants me to take another touch-up shower; I don't mind. I usually bring my own stuff for that.

On the other end, while I've seen major hygiene issues with civies; not once have a seen a major hygiene issue with a provider. They have always been literally clean enough to eat.

Just when I thought I was going to wind down for the night, here you come.

Alright, here goes.

MOST of my hobby experience has been with caucasian ladies. Or a mixture of.

HOWEVER, some have been black, some asian, some native american, most a combo of all said races.

What's your fucking point?!

Are you saying that if she's not Asian, she's not clean?

Oh yeah! Good thing for you you're posting under an alias cuz the ladies I know would shut your ass down before you even THOUGHT about asking them for a date!

Fucking fuck-stick!

Mr vittles, you sir suck my ass!

Peace, mother-fucker!

right after my shower in scalding water mixed with chlorine.  Then hurry to the date.

He seems to be only talking of his experience, not making a blanket statement. Though you're right! It's probably best that he used an alias to avoid any fallout, due to any misunderstanding.

I prefer the lady joins me, but I have never had the problem that you report when they haven't. But, now that I think of it, I've only been with Asians. However, got my eye one some non-Asian ladies, and I've seen nothing in their reviews remarking on the problem you mentioned.

If a lady's coochie stinks, tell her to wash her ass or demand your money back. As for whatever the fuck her race, you can bet that anyone of any race that doesn't use soap and water after ANY physical activity, they are going to be a little more or less dank down there. If a lady offers a shower and you have not taken one, take one. If she wants to join you fine, but don't press it.

whelp. Showering always seems like a good idea to me…

I can only assume what you mean by "some severe issues down there" as a result of "this" with the latter group.

But...if you’re running into "this" (whatever this is, exactly) with any frequency? A self check of providers you’re seeing might be warranted. Just a thought....

But yes. A shower with a thorough application of soap and water usually does the...ehem….trick.

Perhaps you mean invested in Asian gals…?

Brushing off the negative shit. Blowing it away.

LP, you know what I'm talking about...

Have to remember that not everyone is as open and honest as some.

So. After reflecting, need to sit back and take it in stride.

Gonna be hard, seeing as how holding my temper in check is a full-time job in itself...

My thoughts exactly on "a self check" Since op  used an alias it was impossible to see where he was shopping. I myself have not had the problems the op reports. I guess I'm a lucky guy!

Never wanna seem rude when doing this.

I generally find out how long it will take a lady to show up, and time it so I am fresh out of the shower and dressed(not the same clothes) 10-15 minutes before she arrives. That way I don't have to use the clock time doing it.

PS:I have also noticed Asian women are particular about the showers.

the near universal service of rimming, which is very rare outside of AMPS, at least in my experience.  You never want to engage in that without a thorough scrubbing where the sun don't shine.

I'd say that about 2/3 of the gals I see offer and/or insist on a shower if it is an incall.

let the lady know I want a shower before the real 'activity' begins. The hottest times seem to begin with them saying 'only if I can join you too'. If it's a first-time meeting it can be especially hot. I think it's great because it removes one possible potential negative. Let's face it, most people become accustomed to their own scents, so best to play it safe.

Don't make it worse on yourself by assuming that the voices in your head are honest.  I've found that when I play through all of life's options in my head, I often come to the wrong conclusion.

Often, time is the best solution to situations that confuse us.  Know what I'm saying?  

Maybe it's a regional thing? I always do incalls, and I always freshen up right before I leave.

Then say very gently,"It would be great if you hopped in the shower really quickly; I could join if you like".  

Most people will HURRY to the shower after that.

If they protest/decline, look them dead in the eye and say slowly, "I think it would be a really great idea if you showered; I'll wait right here for you."

If they still won't wash their stankin' asses, leave and TELL THEM WHY, or put them out, and TELL THEM WHY.

You are NOT doing a stinky person a favor by telling everyone but them about their stench.

My days of grinning and bearing the funk are OVER.

Fuck that!

You should be aware of how you smell down there before you get there. And same with the provider....the end.

the girl left a skid-mark on the sheets. I cleaned it up so the maids would not think it me. One reason i get so frustrated with board lectures about client cleanliness. Also a reason i decided to just pick a few and go from there.


Does this classify as 'funk' on the bed?

you are just saying you love the stank and wondering WHY no one else does.....hey Napoleon would send word back home to his wife when he was coming back from his battles to NOT WASH

Dude...  That's totally nasty!!

ESPECIALLY if it involves any liquid soaps or douches calling themselves "feminine products" (good lord that shit is nasty) or any soaps with dyes or scents (pretty much 99% of soaps out there). All of that stuff upsets the PH and natural bacterial balances in the vagina, which leads to increases in yeast infections and bacterial vaginosis, not to mention just plain increases in back smells due to the PH going off kilter.

What makes a ladies sensitive bits stinky are the exact same things that make a man's bits stinky-diet, diet diet. Too many carbs, particularly of the white (flour, rice, you name it) variety, sugars, high fats, processed foods in general, low fiber, and not enough water.

(This goes for the men too. You folks who think a strict diet of wine, coffee, cheese, and steak are NOT aromatically enticing even after a shower. Get thee a 64oz big glug cup, fill it with water, and drain it daily like Kathy on a tubesteak looking for her tip.)

Bad bacteria (both in the gut and in the vaginal canal) LOVE carbs, sugars, and fats. These excess toxins also naturally come out in sweat and sexual excretions. If you find a woman who is particularly undesirable to your olfactory glands, it may just be that multimillion year old evolutionary sense telling you that she is not a particularly healthy mate. Ask her what's she's been eating, and then hand her a bottle of probiotics.

Of course, you could just be one of those freaks who thinks all women should smell as sterile and chemical as a Barbie doll.

I have been doing a lot of research, culturing lots and lots of bacterial critters in an incubator, and using chromatography to separate out the various products.

The results, at least in terms of gut bacteria, confirm what you are saying in spades.

In fact, some of the compounds produced by ordinarily benign gut bacteria in response to some common foodstuffs (that you are urging people to avoid) are extremely poisonous. LD50 on lab rats less than 10mg/kg.

This is not at all novel. Semisynthetic antibiotics are made by feeding microbes a diet that alters their end products. Even yeast produce a different mix of esters and higher alcohols when fermenting solutions here the only difference is pH.

Furthermore, I have now convinced 5 people to do a dietary shift for research purposes in eliminating just two things from their diet; and in response they report that, quite literally, their poop no longer stinks.

I'm still digging, but some pretty involved experiments are backing up what you are saying.

All this research has been on gut bacteria rather than vaginal bacteria just because it is a lot easier for me to convince people to give me ... samples ... of gut bacteria than the latter. LOL

It's not just hygiene, but diet also. I've slowly modified my diet over the years, and though it's not as strict as the Macrobiotic Diet, I have significantly reduced simple carbohydrates, sugar, salt, yeast, and red meat, processed foods, and strong seasonings.  I stick to low glycemic indexed foods. Makes a big different in body odor.

ROFL OMG I'm dying laughing at "Kathy on a tubesteak looking for her tip". That's one of those comments that is just going to stick with me the rest of the day. Which could be bad when it comes time for 'that moment' LOL

But I can't disagree with anything you said. Go girl!

you would be dead.  Lets take a poll of how many here even know what the term LD50 means!  Then your shocking number of 10mg/kg!  That is a totally useless number, as some toxins are more potent than others, and while 10mg/kg may be toxic for one entity, it is a normal dose/ or low dose for another.  How many here know the chemical alterations needed to form esters?  Do you continue to write this shit to impress?  I'm not impressed!
Now is you wish to subside on a diet of twigs, acorns, and pine cones , be my guest!  How about just raw spinich leaves, and Tofu?
Humans do not digest cellulose to any extent, yet insist on making a diet of it.  If this is what we were supposed to eat, we would have multiple stomachs like cattle and camels!  Maybe try on altered GARLIC tablets.  After a short period of time you not only have mouth sting, it comes out thru the pores, and you walk aroung smelling like you just spent 10 hours cooking in an italian resuraunt.

Gimme a Big Mac and fries!  The meet gets absobed, the lettuce just passed thru, and the special sauce....who knows, who cares.  I I choose to drink beer instead of the coke, the acid in my stomach reacting with the alcohol will lead to some fine esters! (which are broken down to carbon dioxide and water anyway.

However, and most important.  My poop will still stink!

I'd still recommend to them that they wipe really well, and shower when they get to their incall

You are correct, in that a vegetarian or vegan diet makes absolutely zero sense in natural/evolutionary terms. However, please do point out where in either John's or my own post there was mention of going vegan.

You want to know what humans are not designed to consume? Gluten, dairy (after weaning from our mothers), soy, and corn. We've been around for over 4 million years, and only started eating domesticated plant products such as cereals in the past 4 thousand. Tons of evidence shows humans had the option to do it before, but chose to stick with their more natural rotational diets. You know what happened when both climate change and population density forced humans to start intensive farming and producing grains to feed the masses? Health problems, shortened lifespan, and healthy defects. To this day, those four food items are the highest food allergies in the world. Evolution is a SLOW process, and those foods are still very toxic to our system.

I don't minds arguments and smack talk, but going off without even utilizing the most basic reading and comprehension skills is just embarrassing.

Wow, you really look good for your age.    Will you be my nutritionist?

I have no desire to argue your other points, but that one is WAAAY out there IMO

Cool.  I'm into the truth of that myself thanks to a very educated Miss Avalon.  You can learn a lot from that lady. However, that's not the only reason people with that stink, stink.  It's a proven factor but coupled with a little educated cleanliness is a part of it too.

Maybe if I ask Santa to be Asian for Christmas I will be clean and get a starring role in the next Full Metal Jacket film... lol.

So, you put a potato in your pants too for a bigger package appearance huh?  Napoleon's intimate details you have are astounding.  I'm not sure if the potato stayed in during battles or just at home with his stinky wife, but, I love the insight.  Love the alias too.  What's with you chicken shits?? Totally spineless.  Unless of course I like you and know your alias, then it’s cool.  I’m wrong like that.  Maybe this is one of those things I should ask,” What would Napoleon do?”  LMFAO
Sweet Potato ha!

The change over from nomadic or semi-nomadic to fully settled farming based civilization led to dramatic downturns in people's health. The shift toward living off of domesticated plants and animals were not the only factors at play here, but they were certainly foundational ones.

Cereal grains (wheat, barely, etc-the main products farmed in the Fertile Crescent and the Nile Valley) don't even contain the full spectrum of amino acids, much less the plethora of vitamins and minerals and other things needed to create a fully healthy human. Most of our disease came from living alongside domesticated livestock. For example, tuberculosis, and either gonorrhea or syphilis (it escapes me as to which) originated along the west coast of South America, most likely Peru. If you would like more recent example-Avian Flu. If you would like proof in the opposite direction-Native North Americans-no animals readily available to domesticate, no diseases indigenous to the North Americas.  

The poor nutrition from the lack of biodiversity in the vegetation consumption reduces the immune system and overall vitality of a human. This gives disease a much easier time of jumping species taking hold, and the condensed population ensures the new diseases will spread like wildfire. It's like a one-two punch to an organism that's already been set up as a straw man.

Not until this century, with the advances in science and medicine, have we managed to extend our lifespans back out to something approximating what they were prior to the beginnings of intensive agriculture and dense populations.

I'm not a huge fan of Diamond, since I feel he sometimes oversimplifies things, and is a bit too dramatic for my tastes, but he is excellent in explaining things in layman's terms. If you're interested in the historical effects of agriculture on humans, a copy of Diamond's article discussing exactly this topic.

Are you serious?! A provider did.....it's wrong when they guy does it but the provder ewwww.

I had a guy BS u not took his pants down w/ major fresh brown skids and then proceeded to slide slow onto white sheets.... in immediate reaction I scream OH MY GOD STOP! And he stops and looks down to see what he did and I told him to immediately....I handed him his money and he put it back because he was so embarrassed and kept apologizing...I kept most of my anger in but it showed on my face a bit i'm sure....i can't hide turning red as a cherry even under brown skin but the more he said sorry as he got dressed the angrier I got that he was still there. I almost hate to say that but that was beyond nasty.

I had to immediately call housekeeping in the hotel not only to avoid the stink starting to permeate the room but just to get the visual nastiness out of my prescence. Can't erase it from my mind tho. omg

Never heard of too many showers or being too clean.... for my downstairs anyways I use ph balanced soap-free cleanser or unscented/sensitive skin Dove soap or the body wash. I've pretty much stopped eating red meat too yay lol

Diamond is generally an aggregator of facts who contributes non-standard insights derived from them.

But The more I have looked into this, the more I find data that supports this idea.

Now, obviously, a hunter-gatherer lifestyle would likely support only 1/20th the current population of earth; and I'm not about to be the guy advocating starving the other 19/20ths.

Even if such an advocacy were imaginable; it would ultimately be in the hands of politicians who would benefit from leaving the dumbest 5% alive (tyrants prefer ignorance).

So an alternative is to figure out how such a diet can be adopted within the current agricultural framework. So far, I'm not even close to figuring that out; especially for city dwellers.