But they didn't mention the economy.
Who is afraid to admit it? It was more socially acceptable before?
Interesting little survey from the Los Angeles Times....
see what you mongers think!!
Tabu of S F
But they didn't mention the economy.
Who is afraid to admit it? It was more socially acceptable before?
The offerings now are more extensive and aim to suit every budget. In more metropolitan cities like Miami, tons of providers comprise the market which causes the prices to change but more importantly, healthy competition is good in order to maintain high quality service and earn your repeats. I guess the survey is interesting but I highly doubt many men would be willing to make the admission of seeing a provider being that this carries a very big stigma in our society. If we go by the boards, I see many many newcomers asking questions on the Newbie board so that is in fact an indication that the numbers are not slowing down.
I call bullshit on the study. The Internet has made this game easier, safer and more accessible. Society has made sex more tolerant, viz., "porno chic," and I think "hooker chic" is next. In the case of this study I bet their methodology just sucks.
ARE fewer men paying for it? No.. men always pay for it.. ha ha
but seriously folks:
IMHO:
The economy is the biggest factor. I don't think less men desire the activity or problem free, easy access, or side relationships the almighty dollar provides.
I also feel the biz is more acceptable today then in the past (as long as you are perceived as being successful at it).
One poster said competition was good for business but I think most men are swayed by a nice photo and little else as long as a warm body shows up. Maybe they won't see that girl a second time but she still cuts into the biz of the real caring professionals and maybe hardens a now disappointed fellow ... is that good for competition
I know of men in marriages that are paying for it every day, don't know it and aren't getting it. I like it much better knowing I'm paying for it getting it and then politely saying goodbye
Dear Tabu:
I am just wondering, although privacy laws would certainly come into play here, would they know or even think to check the servers on Adult companionship boards? If they could even fathom the amount of hits this board and others like it would get, then they might have an explanation of where the people went. Also keep in mind how many site were up that were similar to this site say twenty years ago? Follow that question up with how many people had pc's and if so what was the internet traffic for certain site as well? Finally at that time they are still elaborating about you probably had to get certain types of print media with small ads to find women in your demimonde. Now you can come here or a number of sites make a connection with an email or text. Not to mention how many people really had cell phones then and what was the cost initially. Now you can get a plan at a reasonable rate and connect instantly. So it's not that the amount of people are doing it less it is that they can do it through a different medium.
...IMHO. I know that there are providers who are hurting because there just isn't enough easy money getting splashed around these days (at least not in my primary hobby cities).
If the economy ever picks up again, there'll be more hobbying activity. Until then, for those down on their luck, I guess there's always Internet porn....
It's easier to find free sex on the Internet. I don't know how many male friend I have that complain the casual encounters section of CL is full of providers and bots.
I still get several bot emails a day for an ad from months ago.
Myself , I have a dollar amount I would EVER pay for a piece of ass . It may be the legendary Tabu or any other beautiful woman . Everybody's wallet is different and the economy and security it has on the people's mind it what steers prices of EVERYTHING !!!
Be it 21st century technology, be it competition .....
It all boils down to the economy and how it effects the individual - hooker or John. .
see what you mongers think!!
Tabu of S FL
I have friends that do the "free" thing and it doesn't pan out way more often than it pans out on sites like Adult Friend Finder and all the other ones.
For example, you can spend days going back and forth with several girls, then when you meet one, she's different than the photo, or insane, etc. Then you just wasted all that time and still didn't get any action.
It's 100% the economy. Plus, a lot of guys/people think if there is a free alternative, they will keep trying it even though in the long run, they are wasting more time/resources than if they just paid.
People buy cracked software, then it doesn't work or has problems, but they keep doing it instead of just spending the money. Cheap asses.
The Times or whomever conducted the stand statistical sampling and telephone interviews, right? I A chronic mistake these days. Many people, particularly younger and more tech savvy, don't even have land lines anymore. A huge swath of the population gets missed because many people have only mobile phones. And I would wager it's in this group that you'd more likely find sophisticated hobbyists who know how to partake in this recreation.
Not to mention that many of those participating today may take more seriously the first and second rules of fight club. If we've learned anything from the last few years of major busts, scandals and high tech spying it's to STFU.
Finally, while I suppose the old laws of supply and demand may have been suspended recently I think an argument against the article's conclusion can be found right in the Times' backyard: rates in LA have skyrocketed in the last couple of years and even new girls entering that market routinely charge 5 and 6 bills for an hour's entertainment.
...are being very selective when it comes to clients. Several hobbyists in the thread say they are having trouble arranging appointments.
Since the Economy went Bad a few years ago, a lot more Girls who wouldn't otherwise get into this Business have come in. There's a lot of Selection today than there was before. As far as Guys looking for Girls, there doesn't seem to be that many. Girls are finding out that this Business isn't as Profitable as it once was.
A long favorite of mine back in 1993 was in High Demand. It seemed she was always seeing Clients 24/7. She always did find time to see me. These days she's doing Massages with H.E. or an occasional BBBJ. I still keep in touch with her. Since she moved out of my state, I drive to see her about 3 times a year.
My current home Provider is not getting the Business she used to. Back in 2012 she told me she was making Thousands a Month. These days she's Lucky just to make her Rent and Bills. She sees about 4 of her Regular Clients a Week if she's Lucky. Some weeks I'm the only one she sees. I help her out when I can so she can pay her Rent and Bills.
They are no longer spending money on the hobby like water coming out of a facet. Some have learned how to find the diamonds in the rough on BP. The good ones on BP know how to turn on a man so he can get his 2 pops in a hour. They know that is a good value and keeps regulars coming back.
Not sure about what other Guys pay. But in my Case, I can pay pretty much what I can afford to see my Girl. Her Business has really Slowed Down since last year. Her Regular Clients don't see her as much as they did in the past. Be it Work, the Wife, or just wanting to see a New Girl. I can still get FS and pay what I want. I have not paid her Full Price in a couple of months and still I get FS from her.
Shouldn't prices be going down if that's the case?
Bad research. Bad statistics.
Bad research. Bad statistics.
when compared to the donations around here.
As If; a couple of temporal economic/social factors are going too put a lasting dent in the World's oldest profession. 
It's mass media; Owned by the same people who desire total legal control of your uterus/genitals, what you ingest recreatonally or for medication, your means of self defense, your "acceptability" for employment(see: Patriot Act), anon anon anon.
ALL guys pay for sex.
Some pay cash to a hooker, some pay alimony to an ex, some pay for the BMW to keep the wife happy.
JB
but that's not the case for many small towns in which high end girls do very well because they are the ONLY ones there lol.
I can remember doing horribly in some big cities and cleaning up it towns like Memphis, Stamford, and Birmingham where the market dictated $250, and I was at $500. Did I see as many clients? Of course not, but the equation makes sense. Do I want to see 6 guys at $250 or half that at $500...the latter, of course. Same applies to charging 1000 or any other rate in which you decrease your volume by increasing your rate.
New Orleans (my home town) literally has only 5-7 quality Indy providers that can command over 400...the rest are agency girls or women right at market rate of 250-300...the clients are in abundance, but cheap and disgusting for the most part. Destin, (where I live now) has no high end girls except for me, so I am in a niche market here, not that I would work a lot even if I could. There are less clients here than in Nola, yet I've made more money in 2 months living here than I made in a year living in New Orleans....and, I have only seen a total of 4 clients. Go figure.
There are many saturated markets in the hobby, and I've noticed girls who once charged over 1000 are now at 600 and still whining about it being slow...especially in NYC. Simply too many providers. My rule of thumb is never travel to a town where there are more than 60 girls on Eros for that town...has never failed me yet. The times I did break my rule (say for NYC), I made sure to plan a 2 day trip to CT (45 min. by limo) and make up what I would have lost paying 400 a night for a hotel in NYC. I think the hobby has an equal entry for both providers and hobbyists, but it also depends on where you live, and how much said clients are spending.
So many factors to consider...are all the guys entering the hobby stuck in that 300 range, or will they spend more? Less? Just the numbers don't tell us much, as we need to know their spending habits. Destin could have 300 guys enter the hobby tomorrow, but if they are all on a budget of 400 or less, I would not attract any of them. We have less than 20 total providers for this area and it's seasonal on top of that.
have to agree, I have lived in Vancouver where I started hobbying 21 years ago lived in Seattle, then SFO, LA and now Las Vegas.
My price point was 120.00 in Vancouver but I am always a 2 hour guy so really I was spending 240.00 per visit per week, but the sessions were always hit and miss, service was good but sometimes I was left wanting "something".
Seattle was about same, 150.00 per hour and again I did 2 hours, so 300.00. Service was same but back then I had a lot of choices to goto and looks was better for the girl and incall was getting cleaner. Still hit and miss and found what I was looking for "aegyo". I would try some of the 500.00 per hour girls but while service was great the setting was not what I was looking for, but back then there was not much in 500.00 girls there.
SFO when I transferred there was really hit and miss. Pricing was up to 160.00 to 200.00 per hour. But the quality of the girls I would see were the entire spectrum. This was the only city were I would leave an incall cause it was not for me during the session. I would still pay but I wanted out the door. This city for me was all about scripting the service, no aegyo, sorta felt like I was on an assembly line. But if I paid for the high price girls, the experience was great! Felt like a date that would never end. The girls in the 160.00 range I always felt needed more money, I am guessing since the booker take 1/2 to 50.00 per hour then working girl only makes 100 per hour, if her rent is 2500.00 and her living cost is 2500.00 per month then it make sense that should would need one week or so to make living costs for the month and then the rest is gravy. Yet with so many providers it would be harder.
LA was about the same feeling for SFO but price point was higher but the really high priced girls were even better. I came to conclusion in LA with 29 mil people(whole of Canada) that providers can be choosy. Service was still better overall then SFO in that I did not feel like I was on an assembly line all the time. Some of the 1000.00+ hour girls were the best! At this time I my salary was great, I would sometime see the 120.00 per hour girls and later regret it. So maybe there is something to say as you age and increase your wealth you fancy different providers?
LV now where I am is best for me, market is smaller but talent is much better and since no more SFO /LA traffic to get anywhere for me, lol. I still do two hours and I see two agencies here regularly sorta with p411 catching the 700.00+ hour girls who make the trip in to town.
When I think about my run so far as a client, from 120.00 per hour to 300 per hour but it is always two hours so from 240 to 600 per week now. I believe there is still lots of money to be made, but maybe the environment is now different. For me I am spending more not less and seeing the same number of providers