I'll go first, I'll see a 7.5/9.5 every time!! I think a 9.5/7.5 is the same as jerking off while watching porn 🤔 Just my $0.02

There are times, through out a given year, that I feel I can get a 7.5 without paying, who is great in bed. I am speaking about a civie women now. Tbh, it doens't happen often, but it happens occasionally.
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The reason I pay what I do in this realm, is to see RW 9.5s+ that would never sleep with me IRL, as their 7.5 performance will do just fine by me.

As someone who routinely puts service way over looks, trust me - most mongers prefer looks over skills and performance.

I can get past average service if she’s absolutely stunning. I cannot get past average looks no matter how good her service is. It’s that simple for me.

At this point for me in this industry, I could less about looks!
I'm pay for services and performance .
When I search for a provider the only body part I might filter on is that I prefer to have a lady with a hairy bush...buts it's by no means a deal-breaker!
 All I really need is GFE w/cfs... if she looks great, cool...but I not paying extra for it.

Assuming that the 9.5 is a true number ands its overall not just a few reviews. Great experiences and personality go a long way in my book.  

and not someone else or even the average a many, it would still depend on my mood at the time. Each there own but I would not think a 7.5 for service is the same as staying home and jerking myself off. I think someone would need to get down to the "should have stayed home" level of service. But at that point I probably would have just gone home or somewhere else and done something else of interest.

7.5 is average looks?

But numbers are all subjective. What’s 7.5 to you?

7.5 is well above average

As long as I’m attracted to a gal I’ll put a premium on service every time.  By service I’m talking about pre-appointment communication, attitude, list of services available, promptness, BCD skills and general atmosphere.  I prefer the GND look anyway, so not having a stunning bombshell isn’t that big of a deal.  However, If I’m not attracted it doesn’t matter how good their service is.

And  when the performance is fantastic she starts to look better.

Are you saying that because 5 is in the middle of 10? My interpretation is because I have never seen someone give a 5 or less for service that was anything but bad. 6 more often than not is below average as well, but I have seen some 6s where the review is actually decent. 7 seems to be a mixed bag. I have seen 7s where service is great and where the reviewer says they were disappointed. It’s not until 8 and above where the majority of reviews I read are positive.

Do we go by what the scores have come to mean, over time, or do we go by their original intent? That is why everyone is talkng past each other in this thread. We haven't yet defined what "7.5" even means to everyones satisfaction. Some are taking it to mean "poor", others as just "average", while I took it as "good, not great."

Is that the flip side of closing time?

Although 7.5 is not terrible, either is my answer, but I probably wouldn't repeat.  Cost is also a factor to my decision.  

I usually set my searches for 8, 8 and above. Given that the 9.5 looks ladies typically charge more than I'll ever be in a position to pay, A 7.5 that provides 9.5 service is generally the best outcome I can hope for.

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I'm looking for a gfe/pse experience heavily skewed towards the pse.  Some of the best porn features women that are not stunners but are really total sluts.  So, a clean, total slut that doesnt look that great or is a little overweight gets my $ every time.  I would say that more than 50% of the 9.5 "looks" providers that I have been with have been nothing special in performance.

And even if we go by what they come to mean, we don’t all agree. Even that part is subjective. Where we live, who we see, services we want, and much more can contribute to our expectations. Someone who doesn’t care about DFK and BBBJ might see a lady who does neither and is incredible. A 7 was the best she could get. In that scenario, the value of a 7 is completely flipped. It’s the best! Someone like myself won’t even look at ladies who don’t do both. So they can at least get a 9.

He would never grade a girl above a TER 7, no matter how hot she was.
Here's an example...

Mind you, I do give above 7s. But how I view reviews from others is that 7 often is a red flag. And this is why I cross check reviews. If I see a 7 and I see the guys other reviews and 7 is not uncommon, and the review itself is positive, I feel that's a good 7. But if I see a 7 and his other reviews are mostly 8s, 9s, and/or 10s and the review itself isn't flattering, I feel that's a bad 7. Review inflation is too built in at this point.

Another way of saying most all look better with your dick in their mouth.

Seven and a half? At least start the thread with 5 or 6 at the most. 7.5 is only 2.5 away from a 10! Which means it's 7.5 away from a 0. Understand? How many fuckin 10s have any of us HONESTLY been with? Hell of a lot easier to be with a 1 or a 2 than it is a 9 or a 10. Grading a person's physical appearance is quite personal and definitely subject to personal opinion. But I don't care who you are. 7.5 is damn good for pretty much any man. Hell. Brad Pitt would gladly accept a 7.5, and I'm pretty sure he's fucked more than his fair share of em.

Generally I avoid providers who are rated 7.5 in either looks or overall service. However from time to time I go see a hot young inexperienced girl when I know she is willing to dfk, daty and bbbj. I recently saw a relatively young hottie who allowed daty, but I couldn’t lick her button! That was weird, but the session still ended fine. She was cute, but the sex wasn’t very good. Would I repeat? No. On the other hand. I recently saw an older woman, who is rated an 8 (or lower) in looks by many but 9 in service mainly because of her bbbjdt! Great session! Would I repeat? Of course! I guess better service over looks wins out, but I’m still going to avoid a girl who I suspect is a 7.5 in looks or service before I book. Too many great options with higher reviews!

And if she is, and she's a 9.5/7.5 then I'll be fine with her. I need the visual. Her performance I can work around but if she's a looker, to my taste..then RACK HER!
And if I may, what's so bad about a 7.5 in performance? In my world, it's a BBBJ,LFK or mayber DFK....I'm not a Greek traveler so if its not offered, then no sweat off by ..balls.

I guess it would depend on how ugly is 7.5.  Like most, my preference is performance, but not on a 3.0 on looks.  If there's an imbalance I probably would NOT repeat.  

been king, so I will always give more weight to a good service score over appearance.   Beauty will often be the motivator for a first date with a new provider, but it's generally the exemplary service that makes the repeat happen.  

I would put 7.5 a fair bit above average, just as I would think 7.5 is a fair bit higher than 5.5 (which I am not saying people use the numbers as TER attempted to have them use them or as I do). When I think of average in looks I'm actually thinking about all women, not just providers I've seen of some more narrow set of women I might want to sleep with. So compare the providers looks to my assessed average look of women I've seen when working, when shopping, when at the beach, when out dining, at parties, at school (when younger). From that perspective 7.5 is pretty attractive to me and looks that I would be fine waking up in the morning with.

Did you link the wrong post? You link does not say GaG would never grade a girl above a 7. It talks about grade inflation. GaG was also know to never write reviews so how he would have graded any of the ladies he saw is unknown.

I was only willing to go through a few posts and the one I chose was one that showed he didn't subscribe to the way most people here see the grading system. As for GaG not reviewing, that was because he was not allowed to since he was a volunteer mod.
But I spent a great deal of time with him in LV, NY and Costa Rica so I know how tough a grader he was. We had lots of fun grading Ticas at the Del Rey and Cocal.

I can certainly see 7.5 being interpreted differently if you’re using it to compare to all women. A larger percentage of providers than all women are likely considered attractive. It’s a harder profession for women who don’t have the looks, so it makes sense. This may explain why you and I are interpreting 7.5 differently. I’m not using it to compare to all women. I’m probably not even comparing to all providers. I’m more comparing it to providers I would consider seeing and how it’s being used on TER.

On the one hand… This reminds me of a viral post from a few years ago. A makeup artist that worked in the porn industry posted before and after pictures for some famous porn stars. The difference was incredible. Some women looked like completely different people without makeup. This isn’t just pornstars; famous actresses and TV personalities are always seen with make up and at their best. In this world, we evaluate providers who have pictures where they’re wearing make up, are dressed up, and photoshopped (GASP!). I wonder how realistic a perfect 10 is? How many perfect 10’s exist in real life? And if they do exist, are they really fucking us for a few hundred bucks? If we ran into our favorite porn starts IRL, how disappointed would we be? If we ran into a famous actress after she rolled out of bed, what would she actually look like? Also does p4p skew our perspective? Many clients are able to hook up with providers that are out of their league IRL. So should we really be hard on providers that may be hotter than us but are also not perfect manifestations of our fantasies, or not the hottest woman we’ve ever paid to fuck? (Especially if they were super nice and gave us a really good time?)
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On the other hand, I’ve definitely ran into the situation you described. I’ve seen it with providers who are getting older or have put on weight. They’re used to getting good scores, but father time is undefeated. As time goes on, reviewers play along because they had a good time. At some point one reviewer calls her out and a meltdown usually happens. Providers really don’t like clients bashing their looks for any reason. I get it, who wants to get criticized by a guy who you probably wouldn’t fuck for free? I mean who wants to get their looks criticized by anyone? And… what does an individual client gain from being honest in certain situations?
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However, part of this is just kind of being a gentleman. If a woman is nice to you and shows you a good time it would be kind of rude to turn around and call her average, below average or ugly even if there is some truth to it. I personally believe that sex appeal and being sexy transcends just physical looks. Personality does matter. So if a provider is kind and respectful while performing well and showing me a good time then she is going to be sexy in some respect and deserves a score that reflects that even if she is not physically perfect.
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I guess what I’m trying to say is… 1) how realistic are our expectations? 2) is being honest always worth it? and 3) people’s perceptions on looks are subjective and personality does play a role in evaluating how “sexy” someone is and it would usually be rude anyway to call someone ugly after they sucked my cock.

He wasn't a mod his entire time here. I don't think that was why he didn't review. Not a knock on him, I liked and respected him. He was a very good voice here. Plus, I'm hardly in any position to criticize anyone for not reviewing at this point since I don't anymore either.

I only see exceptionally beautiful and fit women. Their service needs to be exceedingly high also.

I don’t think we can easily conclude most see 7.5 above average. Two people equated 7.5 service as not worth the money and they would rather beat off to porn. And service is even harder since it’s capped by having to include BBBJ, DFK, Greek, and/or a threesome. Most meets max at 9.  

1) Actually, I think these lines in GaG's post actually ARE responsive to what I said: "even a TER 7 is pretty homely most of the time.  
I think we all need to admit that due to "grade inflation" and reviewers with either no balls or no standards AND the guys who don't want to "hurt a woman's business" even if she just ripped him off, we are left with a de facto 7-10 scale here on TER."
Not perfect, but enough to stop me from looking further, though I'm sure there are some better ones in the archives. Feel free to look and let us know.
2)  You are, of course, correct that he wasn't a mod his entire time here. Obviously, a volunteer mod would have had to have been a well-established and valued poster for some years before being selected. He hasn't shared with me why he didn't review prior to being a mod but I assume he was just lazy.

The post of yours I responded to just had the one bit about Gag never rating above a 7 no matter how hot the girl was. LOL

Well I'm not sure I would put much stock in what anyone that says 7.5 in service is "better off staying home". They don't sound like they are quite connected to the same world I am. At the very least it's an absurdly high level of inflation to be claiming.  

I generally read this board in Flat Mode and it's hard to follow the tiny dotted lines. So, no, I was NOT "drinking with Mickey."  If you're referring to "Mikey," a/k/a MP67, he's FAR too big a drunk for that. I do speak with him regularly and half the time he's too incoherent for rational conversation. As for GaG's girl you raise an interesting point. I've seen pictures of her and she's gorgeous and hot (also funny). She's also tiny (like 4'10" is my guess) just like GaG likes them. But I'd bet he'd rate her no higher than an 8 on his scale. I don't recall what he may have said about girls he'd rate as 10s but I bet they don't exist. I haven't talked to him in a few months but when I do I'll try to get his TER rating of his girl and report to the class.
Neither GaG nor MP67 post here any more. The latter has no patience for this place any more (and, yes, is mostly too drunk). The former was banned because his hot gf/fiancee started posting using his handle (I'm not sure he even knew) and got him banned. He doesn't care enough about this board to bother trying to get back on. But this place would be a much more inserting site with both of them back. But that's as likely as SESTA/FOSTA being repealed. Or mrfisher turning to The Dark Side.

Okay, fair enough.

I generally take that as a sign to just ignore the reviews. But might work differently for others as I play in a narrow space.

escalade1964 ?
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"Your thoughts if any?"

(Also, GaG has no interest in posting here again. I don't blame him. No offense to anyone present but the level of discourse here ain't what it used to be).

Here at TER, the average score is closer to 8 than it is to 6, so a 7.5 appearance score would raise some red flags with me.

9.5 score consistently, I don't even care about the look rating!