Guys / Ladies -

You are correct. I call them "20 wanna bees", or those who have stuck in time.  

Instead of playing guessing games, just pursue the broads that advertise as age 30 and above to make your life easier....

cut 'em in half and count the rings.

... from a few providers that once a provider's advertised age is around 30 years old (and up), add 7 and you'll be closer to their true age. I'm sure that's a running joke amongst  providers but there's probably some truth to that. (lol)

Or 10...

I'm 30 not just 'Black 30' (we tend to physically age a lot slower than everyone else) and I just know I'm somehow now older or as old as more than a few people who were older than me when I started 10ish yrs ago.
Like they were 30 when I was 20 and they're still 30 in 2020.
How (lol) ...

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And I suspect that would work very well if you were looking for 45+

If they claim they’re 27, it usually means they are in their 30’s. If they say 30’s it means they’re in their 40’s and so on.  

while it's true that Black's SKIN ages more slowly than whites, it is NOT generally true that Blacks "physically are a lot slower than everyone else. The statement is wrong because it's referring not simply to skin but Blacks' entire body, inside and out. In fact, Blacks tend to suffer from hypertension, diabetes and other ailments at a higher rate than whites. Just wanted to be sure no one misunderstood.

She advertised herself as "Tall, Tatted, Teen," and claimed to be 19. And, boy, was she TALL! Damn near 6'. And she DID have tats. So how to I know she was only 19? No, I didn't see her ID. But about six months later, when she turned 20, she changed her ad line to "Barely 20...."
As for the rest of them? I can't think of any who didn't exaggerate their age. But what I cared about it that they looked like their pictures about 99% of the time.

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While i'm here .... 'Blacks'.

When the price is right.
For whatever reason apt. girls are generally young.
I also know a couple of "old" girls like that I met back in the 00's but they're nice and friendly.

Asians chicks can look younger longer too.    But not forever.  Reminds me of all the smokin' hot chicks in Russia.  And then you wonder where all the babuskas came from.  

As the sage and wise "mrfisher" once said, "I prefer older women that think younger and younger women that think older."

If they are Asian add 15.

They eat the young ones....

I had no idea anyone made a distinction between "Blacks" and "Black people." As to the rest of it, while you may feel it's clear you were referring only to skin, I still beg to differ. Sometimes words just mean what they mean. No more, no less.

Always have and always will call blacks...well, blacks.

I got a favorite of mine ive been seeing since 2005 and she promotes her age now at 30.  That means she was underage 15 years ago and she is closer to 50 now

It's not the number. It's pretty much everything else. Is that picture current and accurate?  Are you engaged and in the moment? Is that picture up-to-date and representative? (Yeah that one is important enough to ask twice) Did you deliver what you promised?

I think 41 was the oldest age of a provider I've seen.  
And she was my absolute favorite....not because of age though.
She was an agency gal, and they were trying to pass her off for 26. That was a stretch, but Christ, she was gorgeous with the body to match! If she were still around, I'd still be funding her great grandkids college tuition!

I had concerns, but after reading your content, I still don't know if you are talking about her age or dress size?

do bear in mind this is an open board. If you choose to post on it, anyone can reply. No matter what you might "ask for or need."
Stay safe.
Now, let's not squabble. You might be surprised to find out we probably agree on a great deal about matters of race.

P411 now has the option for a provider to show her 'verified age' in her profile. Those are the ones I now see.

I have often seen ladies older than 50. Many have been a true pleasure. MILF's are often more experienced, patience and caring. If a lady can still look good in later years, are still providing; than in my opinion are usually gems!!!

That quote is spot on!! HAVE to remember that one!! (And such a turn-on when you find this in an older/younger woman!!)

Where girls can decide to verify their actual age.

There is a difference in the clients you get in your 30s as well.  Plus every time I put "grad student" in my ads, clients assumed I was 35+... I started grad school the first time at 25 but whatever...  

When you see " age hidden" you know youre in " GILF " territory...lol

I like to see providers who are in their 30s and up so, since I tend to like to spend my time with MILFs, this only presents a minor inconvenience.   When I do my searches on P411 I select 28 y/o as my starting spot and on TER its 26-30 and up.  I always assume there is wiggle room on the provider's age.    

For me 30 to 50 is a great range. In the final analysis, if am enjoying her company, her age doesn’t matter to me.

I've seen 18 to 50+.  The 50+ were stellar.  The 18's not so much.

You should tour down here in DC, not that far. You would do great here.

You mean mid/late 40’s correct?

adding 10-15 years and 10-15 pounds to the what the ad says will seldom leave you surprised when you see her.

We ask age for a variety of reasons----screening---not wanting to see 20 somethings etc. We could give 2 fucks about how your age affect.s your looks (after all that's really what we are discussing).

The irony is in that providers want to know the real age of clients, while most of the time advertising fake age themselves.  

Sorry, I just couldn't resist that one. lol

There are at least as many mongers that will either not disclose or flat out lie about their information as well if they can. So hardly any different that what so many are worked up about here.

And many mongers would like to know if the girl who is advertising herself in her 20s is over 30. Not necessarily specific age either. Knowing the real range is important to many. Just like it is important for a provider. So I don't see the distinction here at all.

You have to wonder what century some of these guys are living in.  

You clearly didn't read my post, just used a lame alias name to make a snotty remark with no evidence.   Please learn to backup your claims... but I don't expect that since you've never been a smart one like me.  Thats' why you pathetically hide behind repeated aliases.  You just got schooled... again.. *eye roll*

The fact remains, both sides lie and hide information the other side would like to have for various reasons. Both sides still want to play in the game.

First you claimed there's a difference between wanting to know exact age and range. I said there isn't any - both sides want to know the range, not necessarily the exact age.  

and truth be told, I do wish you two would keep your constant fights confined to the K-Girl board, just like no one likes P&R drama brought to this board either,

One correction (sorry) - this fght isn't private. I believe me and you were talking in this very thread before Jensen replied to you.

Not to mention providers ask for a LOT more invasive information than mongers ask. None of us (ok. almost none) care about getting a providers real name address etc. all we care about is her "general" age, weight, and if she will fuck our brains out.  

Nah....it does matter to a degree. Its not just misrepresenting their age in print, its using severely outdated photos, or in lower tier providers...using pics of someone else entirely.
But to stay on point....they'll list their ages as " minus however many years" and then use pics that present themselves as closely as possible to that. Some ladies are beautifully, and are TDF well into their 40's, but thats not always the case. Often times the effects of aging, gravity, and weight gain tell a much different story than the pics used.
There's nothing wrong with being a provider at any age, but as we're the ones paying for it, we have our outlines for what we're looking for.

Frankly, I'm willing to describe people however they want to be. Just let me know.

Except I was just pointing out that is is not the case the the girls want to just lie while demanding 100% honesty from guys.

No one, literally no one, made you say the following:

Some of you guys are perfectly happy fucking members of the OTHFBC, I am NOT. I can fuck all the old broads I want for free. Unless she is Asian I can't imagine knowingly booking a woman over the age of 40, and if she is white, very few women over 35 actually get my motor running.  So YES, age is very important to some of us, my apologies to all my hooker buddies in their 40's and beyond.

And just to clarify - while, like you've said, I don't care that much about age or appearance myself (I do care, just it's very low on list of things I look for in an escort), I do realize that my preferences are in a minority...and most mongers DO care about appearance and age.

Not only did I start off agreeing with you, but I still agree with you after several posts and several opportunities for you to go off the rails. lol

I didn't justify lying about age. It is a very big leap from pointing out the existence of two wrongs and then claiming that that is a justification that one of the wrongs is okay.

Gag, are you really going to make me go look up posts where you have said you  don't really care about the age but that she LOOKs like she is that age? In other words,  what you really don't want is when one claims to be 25 but looks 45.  

Yes, I care about looks more than chronological age, but to deny that there isn't a correlation between the two is a specious argument and worthy of a boatload of MAMA points.

You guys are awfully demanding about what ladies put out in a public forum.  Yes,  we screen you, but you don’t have your age, name, measurements, other perishing identifying info, or photos on TER, P411 or anywhere.  

"We can’t see your rotten teeth or smell your bad breath or see how you don’t know how to clean your junk properly or wipe after #2."  

Providers don’t have reviews on us.  They may be able to get some of this info from other providers we’ve seen, however.

Christ almighty, what a great PR move on your part.  That third paragraph should win over tons of prospective clients.  Yeah, it sucks that some guys show up with horrible hygiene.  I completely get that and don't condone that at all.  That still does not really dovetail into the transparency of age issue though.  Yeah, I read your post but its apples and oranges.  If providers would just show their true age and try to stop scamming clients threads like this wouldn't exist and people like you wouldn't be outing themselves as being nasty and holding their prospective client base with such utter contempt.    

As far as I know, maybe I'm wrong, but p411 does not have reviews. They link to external sites like TER.

See the link to “Reviews”?

the ladies there generally list a younger age than what they really are or an older age?  Actually, have you ever heard of a provider that listed an OLDER age for herself than she really is?  Saying its to protect your privacy is not very convincing if everyone lists a misleading age that is YOUNGER than they really are.  Just saying.  Why don't you prove me wrong and change your age to be 10 years older than you really are?  

Reviews on p411? I'm not on p411 currently. But from what I've see before, the reviews on there were recess linking to external sites.

only in your mind.  Note the reference to TER above:

OK, I was wrong - the discussion was not limited to p411, you're right.  

A poster claims it is hypocritical for the girl to fudge their age and then demand the guys provider their true age. A provider responded that they don't care about the actual age but do want to set some age limits (I don't think I've ever provided my full birth information for age, just the year or a number without any documentation).  

Now you get " actual age " or age hidden...nothing in between.  
So, you can pretty much assume when you see " age hidden", that the provider knows the truth may steer away mainstream clients.
There are always guys out there that want later aged women, and thats fine. But if my preference is to see women in their 30's, I really dont appreciate a mid 40's lady advertising as mid 30's. Its as much a waste of my time, as it is of theirs to communicate and screen...just for that potential client to never book.

But it's not the world we live in.

Omg.... Turning around and walking away is false equivalency.

You've never once suggested anything more that bitching and pointing at the bad behavior by some providers/agencies. Nor have you been able to show any success in fixing things in the Bay Area, which by YOUR description is a shit hole of such activity compared to most other places based on what people say.

But not to butt into yet another endless fight between you two, I would like to mention that YES you can write a review if you "walk" from a session. TER requires a "meeting" between you and the provider who you are writing a review about, OR in some cases recently, "money changing hands"

I can relate, I used to lie about my age to make myself younger all the time. It's something women do industry wide and in the real world quite often.

My very first comment in this thread was to point out that just looking for the women advertising as 30s was likely to get you 45+, not the ones in their 30s. That is hardly a "providers side" comment.

I for one AM overweight, do to medical reasons.  When I book a date with a new provider, I make sure they are aware of that fact.  I have only been turned down once because of it, once in 11 years.    

I remember when you shared your age with me, I was stunned ( This was prior to P411 listing age)  
Yes, you still have the X factor my dear.  Plus you are a hoot be around.  

To put it in school yard terms. Rocket "didn't start it" this time. A couple of the "old broads" started it by making false equivalencies about the difference between men lying about age/appearance etc.  

Awesome way to steer this offtopic. The bay area or my experiences or my fixing  have NOTHING to do with the fact that there is hypocrisy in providers not wanting to provide real age but wanting us to provide real info.  

For a guy who constantly accuses me of misreading, you certainly misread a lot.

Masks come off when entities get triggered and we get a good dose of "here's what they really think about you".

Exactly!

Your age there is 47, just like you claim, AND P 411 verifies that you really are 47 and not someone over sixty still trying to pretend she is 47.

I'm definitely a GILF. I'M HOT AF, but have 2 generations of offspring...so TECHNICALLY  

Yep. And here's the thing, in the long run, everyone wins when a provider puts truthful information on their profile.

How about just people (human beings) with darker skin (because thats all it really is) ... as their are no blacks,whites,browns ... just people to me =)

but unlike some people I celebrate the differences, wouldn't it be boring if we really were "all the same"?

After all of these years, I would never have guessed you are just a couple of years younger than me.  Whatever you're eating or drinking, send me some!!!   You are still gorgeous. I'm NOT.   Lol

I've always thought you were 40ish.  60 blows me away.  And the prettiest smile in the business.  If I'm ever in Phoenix...

The one type are those who still 'have to" be turning tricks, I feel bad for them and their clients.

If a woman is awesome. Who cares, it's a freaking # for God sakes

"And don't worry, I am not getting soft"    - Actually I heard you are always soft these days LOL - Ha, Hope you are well...

Lexi,
I am floored!!!  I never would have figured you for 60, I was thinking closer to 40 from your pics.  If you ever decide to tour to Tampa, FL, please let me know.  I'll see you in a heartbeat.

Did you ever see the old 1985 movie Brazil?

but of course you know that is hardly a criticism coming from me. lol

Honestly...I didnt read the whole reply to my comment, but a couple high points. Yes....you can walk away. You may get blacklisted by her, but you do still have the option of walking...
My point was this....I drive an hour to an hour and a half to make these appointments.  I dont live in Escort Central, so it necessitates a bit of a commute.
So, if I book a woman, who's 1: using outdated pics, and 2: using those pics to solidify a false claim in age, ive wasted considerable time....both in booking, and travelling to the appointment.  
Here's another angle....youve screened with this woman. Now what type of screening she uses, and how much info the client is willing to give for screening varies, but say you've given PII...
So now, this woman has your real name, and whatever else...
And you're gonna snub her at her own doorway? Let's just hope she doesn't go " Nikki " about it, or your day is fucked...

The discussion on these forums very often devolves into situations where you have to take stance on oe side or the other. It's the nature of business. Mongers get pissed at agency or provider, and vice versa,etc. Then it's easy to observe patterns and see who sides with which side.

and yes, age is just a number. For the record, what is your number now, about 57 maybe??? lol

She was 77 when she moved on, but her spirit is still young, alive & kicking😏 a lot like her old buddy Nick (or so her "sources" tell me lol)

OTHFBC= Over The Hill Fat Broad Club.

And how exactly would you know that?

Those eyes! Props where due....you are a damned good looking woman!

Indeed she is

Or even "good behavior over bad behavior" as neither side has a monopoly on either good OR bad behavior here.

After the Debra thread, maybe he was wrong about you. You may be a lapdog . Regardless, I will take the word of a monger over some culturally deprived underachiever hooker any day of the week in a " He said, she said " situation.

If BSC hookers think I am a misogynistic asshole and guys like you who make no secret that you don't respect hookers in the slightest  BOTH think I am in the wrong that says to me I am achieving a pretty healthy balance and that I am on the right track.

Be honest.

Still arguing about something that was said two weeks ago. Just let it go, ma'am.

Also, asking a question is not arguing. My condolences to your SO.

You should probably get your T count checked.