It's called life.  We all live and learn.  Discovering something new holds a lot more interest for me than doing the same old thing.

to learn more about giving many different erotic experiences to men and how to determine which is  best for each different man that fits within her style?

How do you feel about men going through a school on the female anatomy and what really pleases women women?  Maybe give men the experience that what they take in knowledge and  apply with passion often comes back to them?  or if providers learn the above well this isn't needed?

Damnit Aces, you are drilling this school/seminar thing in aren't ya? Do you need extra hobby money or some shit? What makes you think guys here want to pay to learn about what pleases a woman? Here's a clue...they need to ask the one they are WITH and not the general population, or they would already freaking know. Same with providers....just watch and learn from other successful providers who have been in the business a while.

Guys should have taken anatomy in high school and again if they went to college..still did not help. Most still think we pee out of the same hole the baby comes from, and have  a bottomless pit that can take any size weenie.

There you go again, jumping reacting, not reading.   Finally at the end you got the question,

The whole thing is a question.  Personally, hobbyists from from reading lots of reviews tend to think they know the female body, I haven't heard too much about subtle foreplay, but I guess they don't think it can be done in an hour or don't write about it.  

I don't know about your high school, but in CA there are none worth speaking of that teach.

Me lecture on the female body--now you've gone menstrual.  No Way.  I haven't got one.

If anything hobbyist would want to know how to avoid getting arrested or what to do to keep people from knowing  when they do--- not from what whole which a baby comes.

Did I not tell you, people here would assume you were either a reporter or a cop by continuing to post this? Look what happened.

But then if the majority of civie women (GFs, wives, and SOs) learned and even mastered the art of seduction and keeping their men pleased/happy, it might seriously cut into and impact the success and profitability of providers' businesses. Not that it would put providers out of work (men would still like and pay for variety), but it would probably make a notable dent in business from all those men who would be satisfied and would not have a desire to stray from their special girl, their main squeeze that they love back at home. Just a thought... but then we, as a society, are probably too prudish and puritanical for that to ever happen...

you have got to be joking, right?  please tell me you're joking.  what terrible advice LOL.  a lot of men in my age bracket are awful lovers, and you know why?  because they got all of their ideas about sex from PORN.

there's no sensuality in porn.  no passion.  no foreplay -- at least not how foreplay is meant to be, imo.  it's difficult to capture the art of the tease, the art of sensuality, the art of foreplay in a visual medium (since those things are stimulating primarily in a tactile way -- visual is secondary), so most producers don't even try.  the expectations it cultivates are not only unrealistic, they're crappy.

porn is a handy visual aid in achieving an objective in a way that by most standards would be considered subpar.

i'm not saying porn is a bad thing.  i'm not one of those psychos who thinks it's exploitative or morally wrong or whatever, just doesn't do anything for me.  IMO even for most people who watch it -- at least those i've talked to -- it's just part of a means to an end, that's all, and SURE AS HELL should not be treated as some sort of young mens' and womens' primer on how to share sexual pleasure!

it's a terrifying thought, actually!

EEUUUGHHH!  i need to go have some really good sex now to get this idea out of my head D:

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We are being paid to please you...in a relationship I expect GIVE and take...not just take.  In provider land the give is Cash and I'm totally OK with that ...but a boyfriend doesn't get away with that shit...getting spoiled, take take take...it's the predominant relationship desire...to be worshipped by the female and then fall asleep after...and you wonder why you don't get more "attention"

not be what their partner would like.  For some couples, viewing porn together can be helpful as an aid in expressing what they might like, or at least might like to try, but this requires that the porn show sex that is much less rigidly scripted than much of the sex shown in most porn.






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...maybe i'm just lucky?  or maybe i define 'giving' differently.  but they definitely give me more than just cash...

Dear Ms. Rayne:
Although you and many on your eschelon are well school in the nuances of hobbying, perhaps you could give some seminars to members of your professional society who have recently entered the cyber commerce
portion of the industry and who are obviously under educated by giving them tips on the following:Screening, Marketing and Advertising and the importance of reviews. Charge a nominal fee that they can afford and you would be surprised how much the stings and bust would subside in the area.
Also London you would finally be teaching them how to really make it "rain".

Sure, it's great if she has a good time too, but I'm there to do/have done what makes ME feel good. And with a limited amount of time, I'm certainly not going to waste it figuring out the nuances of her body and what turns her on. If being in my presence and a little foreplay (i.e. removing of clothes) isn't enough, well that's what lube's for. It's a P4P arrangement not a romantic one.

In civie sex, I love figuring out a woman's body and all of the things I can do that make her happy; how to touch her, how to tease her, how to move with her... It's awesome to be able to give her pleasure. It adds levels to the emotional intimacy between two people and builds bonds of trust and love. But every woman is a little different in what she likes, and how she likes it. I can't imagine any "class" that could possibly give enough information to be worthwhile. You could ask a thousand women what really pleases them and get two thousand answers.

I don't know too many providers who want to deal with recreational viagra dick all day long.  Not to mention having guys spit on their vaginas, choke them, slap then in the face with their cocks and pile drive them into the mattress all as a prelude to rough anal sex.  

Too many men think that's every girls dream date when in reality it's a quick way to make it to her DNS list...

You have to enroll, and be accepted just like you would at any college, and then you attend classes and seminars on all kinds of stuff, from improving performance, how to stay safe, taxes and laws, etiquette, and even how the internet effects the hobby!

As has been said over and over, it is not the skills that are lacking but the desire. When you are with the same person that long, I guess you just don't get turned on by them anymore which leads to not wanting to have sex. Divorced men and women go out every day and seduce someone new the same way they once did with the original mate, so it's not as if they 'don't know' but simply that they 'don't care.'

The only thing a provider could maybe teach a wife about would be sex on demand, but again that is not so easy. We have an incentive to have sex when we are not always in the mood, and that incentive is cold hard cash. If a wife knew she would lose her home, car, and spending money, I bet she too would start serving it up again.



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nice to see you here. Tell CS to get back!

I can't speak for other men and I obviously don't have the experiences you ladies do, but I always try to be a good and tender (as well as passionate ) lover with all of the ladies/providers I visit. It also gives me pleasure trying to please the woman I am with. Perhaps she is in the mood for mutual pleasure and enjoyment, perhaps that day or at that time she is not. But at least I always make the effort at trying to be thoughtful about my partner and not be selfish, inconsiderate, and self-centered. I can only imagine how degrading it must feel for you ladies when Johnnie Get-me-off pays you a visit and merely uses you as some cum dumpster, where he doesn't treat you as even a human being let alone as a women with feelings, and as a lady... Even if it is P4P, you wouldn't treat a waitress so shabbily while serving you lunch, then why not treat a lady who is sharing with you the most intimate of experiences with the utmost of respect, kindness and consideration to include the possibility of her also enjoying the encounter? Just because a guy may be paying, ought not excuse him from that consideration of his lady, if only for that hour. It's known as part of being a gentleman.
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Assuming that no porn was ever made that actually does teach, is incorrect though. There are many instructional videos created just for that purpose and do include all of the foreplay and sensual aspects you don't see in the usual wack off porn...many of these are made, produced, and directed by women. They are for couples, and include breathing techniques, tantra, touch, etc. Many sex therapists also use them and give them out, because they focus more on actual things women like, vs. just the visual created to get people off quick.

I agree that most daty scenes in porn are horrible. If I can see your tongue, you're not doing it right for me. All that flicking, and spitting and just wiggling the shit around makes me want to laugh more than cum.



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I am not against porn either but am against it being used as a teaching tool for men...no wonder the women they apply that crap to don't want to have sex, if you can call it that, with them. Okay some might but the majority possibly would not.

Who teaches the men how to good lovers to their wives etc so the women actually want to participate? I would not bother with someone if they were not interested in knowing what I liked and no porn is not a good teaching tool for men.

"School" idea should be focused on safety, as there are risks involved.  Other things come naturally.

There are way more viewers than posters on this site.  One thing that holds them back more than anything else is the risks involved.  Experienced can be a big help to them.  New providers (and potentials) particularly need safety tips.

TER has many reviews.  Those are sex-educations in line with your idea.

You've asked this very same question on multiple boards now.  I guess you are hoping that the hookers will PM you with stuff so you can jack off to that material.

How about you just go see a hooker or two to take your mind off of this drivel?

And you can report back to the masses here via a review?

But had a call and TER logged out. Basically porn can give you ideas of something you might want to try. I love role play and have a great time with my ATF, regarding dressing the part sometimes it's a role she wants to play.

I'm not wrestling so I don't just go in for a ground and pound. The key is paying attention to what your partner likes. This is the reason I like going back to women I have seen before.

Provider/hobbyist school, I don't think so. Porn has its place but it's not how I treat the women I'm with.

moaning from the get go and the intake of air through the teeth to make that ssshhhhh sound on EVERY intake of breath. Yep if that's not faking I don't what is...and very bad but my question is...do guys actually buy that the lady doing all that catawalling and shhhing is actually really liking what's happening?

Isn't it every girls dream to be skull fucked into unconsciousness and then spit on and face slapped?  Oh and how you can NOT want to be pile driven into the floor. Yeah, for some it is a dream come true, for others it would be more akin to abuse...glad you get it.

I would agree that porn is not where one should go to learn to be a good lover. I like porn, I'm a sex addict and when I'm not hobbying or preparing for a hobby experience I watch a lot of porn. I see some providers just to get the porn star experience. I'll admit that I'm not a good lover, sex to me is sex and I admittedly do not know how to "make love". But in an effort to learn to be a better lover I've asked a favorite provider of mine to teach me how to make love. I should say that she is very adept at sex in a porn star way, but she is also very sweet and caring and I'm confident she'll be able to teach me to be more attentive to a woman's needs and wants. Learning patience will be my biggest hurdle (and this is true for me across the board, I'm very impatient in every aspect of my life). I do agree with LR though that asking your partner what they like and want is probably the best, as everyone is different. For instance I like hard, fast aggressive sex, so it would be difficult for me to have a partner that needs the slow, tender emotional sex and I know this from experience. I enjoy the tender, cuddling after sex so it's not that I'm completely emotionally detached I just don't enjoy that during sex. I realize though that outside of the hobby I need to be able give that to a partner so I'm willing to learn.

And to the OP I would say that I don't believe there should be a provider school. Each individual woman that I've been with is unique and that is one of the most attractive things about the hobby. This site is awesome in that you can read reviews and choose providers based upon your needs and wants.

Just for aces, udo, pseguy, kingcold, ridgetucky and serpius.

Then all you'll have on this board are the newbies...

And the lesbians...

And the trolls that never seem to go away

Posted By: perfectstorm

Just for aces, udo, pseguy, kingcold, ridgetucky and serpius.

I'd be happy tone the subject of one.

Hey there beautiful  I was here in NYC, but I got lucky, both of my apartments were a ok.  I will be in South FL the end of this month. Maybe I should plan a road trip your way?  Kisses