If you are meeting a provider at your hotel bar, does the time you spend there count towards time booked
Of course meeting her in the bar counts towards the time... duh. If you don't want to do that, no law says you have to. Find a provider that meets you at the room/incall in private, but don't think that 'meeting for drinks' does not count as part of your time... it most certainly does with most ladies.
Now, in an hour appt. I do think it's a bit stupid to meet clients at a bar, unless they are booking more time or she is just nervous. In the case of her being nervous and making that demand, then NO it should not count on your time, because she is the one insisting on that. I've heard of women who demand public meetings as a form of screening, which is beyond stupid, so I hope that's not what you've run into. FYI, if either of you is a cop, in most states, you will be arrested simply for showing up to said meeting. You do not have to have sex or even talk about sex and money to be cuffed and taken to jail. Google prostitution busts in Baton Rouge lol.
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I think I would find a comfortable place to sit down and cry.
Hooktard never offered an hour... well, not after the first 18 months anyway. Don't cry... I hate pansy ass stool boys. Save that for the hookers who still think they are saving marriages by taking a load down their throat. 
With you would be way to little time. I don't know if could hold the tears back.
to Mangina Island. See Dave above for arrangements.
Luckily it doesn't require a passport. lol.
What happened to you, man?
I get that you're impressed with HTG but be impressed with her mind and wit now.
Otherwise, get in line for the 90-day sex waiting period like the rest of us. Lo
I meant that in a platonic way... lol
This is where I ate growing up. It's a dive though but they have a bar. I'm ordering some now cuz you reminded me they have online ordering.
http://www.fishermanscoveseafood.com/pages/Order-Online.html
Dining out, Drago's is better obviously.
Fked a guy in the bathroom actually bwahahhaa.
Yes off Williams. Lol.
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Yes she insisted to meet at the bar and yes I believe it was for "screening purposes".
I wasn't aware that this was counted toward time booked and would have preferred to just meet in room. Live and learn..
Oh, well in that case, she's a fkin idiot lol. If you demand someone meet you at another location to screen them, that is on your time, not his. Screening should be done before she even confirms a booking! Gosh...
My advice to the OP is yes the clock normally starts the moment they meet, except if the bar time is at the insistence of the lady, BUT don't assume this to be the case, or you might find yourself with 45 minutes of bar time, 15 minutes of "alone time" and a bill for the entire hour.
NEVER ask about any kind of sex act prior to meeting with any provider, but it is wise to determine when the clock starts to avoid any misunderstandings.
Keep in mind she might be the idiot for doing this, but HE is going to be the one paying for it, so who is the real idiot??? lol
I could have gone the run of the mill break down about hookers who love those multi hour appts. so they can blab their way through the (insisted) dinner first option on a 3 hour, only leaving him with 40 min. to get a nut, but I thought that was a given lol.
but not to the OP who is an obvious newbie.
It's guys like him who needs assholes like me to tell him to tell hookers like Estrella to go jump when they ask for "public meetings" on the clock like this other hooker did to him. Isn't that what TER is supposed to be all about in the first place? A place where newbies can learn from the experiences of us "old timers" lol
I ask for a public meet and greet first (which is not free, I have public rates) when someone doesn't have the required references or is a newbie, it means I don't have much of a sense of the type of client he will be because he has no history (whether it be from posts, reviews, references, etc). Sure, we could email forever, but I don't really want to spend my life doing that and frankly, it would be bias to what he wants me to see anyway. I need to be able to feel someone out and if I can't do that, meet and greet is necessary. So for me, it's not stupid. But usually men who book me or want to, know how I feel about this ahead of time, since it's pretty clear on my site.
Of course that's only how I do business. If all money is good money as long as they hit your A,B and C of screening, then I would think it would be a waste of time and the only time I would ever be with a client would be while he was paying me in a room because I clearly don't take personality into account. I find that a very hollow way to live and would most likely hate my job pretty quickly. To each their own.
You're right in the sense that screening should be done before booking but if you can only do that half-way and they want to see you, yeah it will be in public and yeah, it will be compensated. If they had all the required information and history, then we wouldn't need to meet that way in the first place, but since they want to meet me without it, then that's the option and just because that's my policy doesn't mean I should have to take extra time for free to make it work with a newbie.
Some people are choosy and if I am their choice it shows me something that they are willing to make me feel comfortable, it attracts the correct type of person.
It's LR ha ha ha. I screen for safety... I go the extra mile for chemistry, or I 'did' lol. I mean gimme a break. At a grand a pop, do you think I really gave a fk about chemistry? 300, maybe. At the rate I was charging before I retired, I would have done just about anything.... almost. Chemistry was a given being I required 3 day's notice and a freaking deposit. Not many guys were going to just do all that without putting some time and effort into finding out if we even liked each other.
If you are not sure about a guy before that public meeting, you can be arrested upon arrival. That was my only point, and most should heed that advice. If you have not found out already that he is not a cop or a nut job, you are an IDIOT to meet him not knowing that.
Chemistry? I can't tell about that over an hour and margaritas. Sorry, but that's not something I know til our clothes come off. Just keeping it real.
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Nice to hear from you! I knew you'd still be stopping in once in awhile.
Now I know you know how to spell my name 
lol
Hey man, what can I say? There's no amount of money in the world that will make me a f*uck doll, haha
But for the right price, I could be a perfect date for someone, lol.
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I retired from sucking d*ck, not TER. What can I say? Love ya girlie!
I knew it. In "this" part of it, you're a lifer, lol.
I can barely even repeat that with a straight face when it's someone else's thought.
You go girl. Lol.
That it's at least 2 hours so she can make enough to cover the hotel?
Otherwise...I too know that the gals who babble here about chemistry are simply trolling for inquiries.
Perhaps this is where she prefers to do her incalls?
Was there a blood sample involved?
Perhaps a urinalysis?
Maybe you gave her some name and she sat there and googled the name you gave?
Was this even the hooker that you saw in the pics? Did she have any reviews?
FWIW don't ever pay for out and about time...that's just bullshit. Now write that review and let your pals know of her indiscretions.
I wasn't aware that this was counted toward time booked and would have preferred to just meet in room. Live and learn...
Perhaps a urinalysis?
Maybe you gave her some name and she sat there and googled the name you gave?
Was this even the hooker that you saw in the pics? Did she have any reviews?
FWIW don't ever pay for out and about time...that's just bullshit. Now write that review and let your pals know of her indiscretions.
I wasn't aware that this was counted toward time booked and would have preferred to just meet in room. Live and learn...
You're so nuts about this, I always see it over and over on your posts. Don't you understand that in many cases, these women would not date or spend time with these particular men unless compensated? I mean that's the whole thing, they wont date you, they wont f*uck you, eat with you, pretend to care about your day, without being compensated. So if he wants to jump levels and spend time with someone who otherwise wouldn't, then why is it such a big deal that he pay for it?
If it makes him happy then that's fine. Maybe he wants arm candy, maybe he likes her, but if she doesn't like him in real life, so what if he wants to compensate her to pretend to. It's a fantasy for some. Not to mention, no time anyone spends with a client is ever relaxed from a providers point of view, so you're always "on", no matter what the activity.
I mean hell, what's so wrong with being the kind of woman who doesn't want to date a married guy or a guy she isn't attracted to without being compensated? And before you say this isn't dating, pretty sure for some of us, it's pretty close..sure there's no strings but you certainly do a lot of the same things people do when they're dating. Like sleeping together, kissing, sharing affection, talking, getting to know one another. I mean sorry, but some people I would rather be alone than hang out with, so if you want to hang out - pay for it. If a lady was interested in spending time with you for free, she would just date you. That's it. My point is, I'm not interested in dating anyone, that's right..anyone. So if you want me to participate in those types of activities, I guess you'd have to sweeten the deal, otherwise, you could just go to a bar and hit on other chicks and see who bites. But no one should have to agree to spend time with someone for free if they don't want to and for some men, that doesn't end the conversation. Just because it does with you, doesn't mean other people are bad or sad because it doesn't with them.
It was SHE that insisted on the bar meeting, not him. He didn't want a date, he wanted a session. Even HG fully agreed that this time should be on the lady in question, and NOT on the OP
I see you do....and that's great. I can't imagine many would pay you $ 100/hr to just have lunch with you, but if even one does than you're a winner LOL
So unless the hooker in the OP's post has something similar, then it's a moot point. And even then his post discussed that he was looking for sex...not some faux friendship.
Given the facts that the OP has discussed then it is indeed the gals fault...and he should have not paid her anything IMHO. Pretty much I would equate this to a B&S...and I would write the review to let my pals know that this gal plays a different type of game.
I'm sure you wouldn't do that nonsense...but plenty of others do.
She may have insisted because he didn't have the screening requirements she asked for, so that was the option. To me, these pretty much are dates. But that's how I do things. If she said no to a session without the prior meeting, she's still insisting, yes, but because he doesn't have what she wants to go straight to the session. That's not her fault. Get it?
Well then I'm many times a winner, lol.
Yay for me.
And yes you're right, I'm no nonsense, lol.
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and if you are able to get guys stupid enough to pay you for "screening dates" more power to you, but count me, and anyone else here with any experience and/or brains out TYVM. Get it?
A very wise man said this "I will pay for pussy, and I will beg for pussy, but I will NOT beg to pay for pussy" Words to live by.
Yes, it is HER FAULT because even a fkin newbie provider knows that meeting in public is NOT SCREENING! What part of "You can be arrrested just for showing up" do you not get? If you are a cop, he is busted... same with the reverse! A public meeting does not prove shit! Watch for the backup next time lol. This is not sugar daddy for me, in which case that crap might fly. If a guy books you from your HOOKER WEBSITE attached to your HOOKER REVIEWS, you are fked on a public meeting.
I have never in all my years as a provider and agency owner, met a client in public 'because he did not have the info I wanted.' He was told to move along... period, end of story.
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I agree with you in that I said I screen for safety first...THEN (and only then) the next step is chemistry. I already know who they are before I ever meet them in public. I'm just saying we don't know enough about the girl to know what type she is. For all we know, the answer to this question is clearly written on her website and this dude just doesn't like it so he's saying she insisted.
I would never advocate anyone meet anyone in person as part of their safety screening, let me be perfectly clear about that.
I have never in all my years as a provider and agency owner, met a client in public 'because he did not have the info I wanted.' He was told to move along... period, end of story.
Only those desperate for money would go that route... chemistry, my ass. A newbie would up the employment info. or be told to take a hike. There would be no public meeting to establish shit. Sorry, but I never had the time for that amount of bs. I made more than enough by my rate... all inclusive. Then again, if you can't get a 2 hour min. I guess I can see tacking on bs meetings to make up for it. You either see newbies or you don't. You don't make some idiot without info. meet you in public... um, is he all of a sudden going to produce the info. he could not give you via email? As if.
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There's a sucker born every minute.
But before you say it, yes, it's how they choose to spend their money.
Like CPA and GaG said, none of us guys who've been around should fall for that.
It's the poor newbies that count on us for useful advice that I direct my posts on the subject towards.
If none of us "oldtimers" tell them it's not the norm, nor is it required, hookers like Estella will have them jumping through endless hoops until these newbs simply quit the hobby. It's our responsibility to teach them how to stand up for themselves against all the manginas and manipulative hookers that try to tell them otherwise.
I'll get crucified worse than usu if I put this out on its own...
But all this M&G stuff, some dinner dates ( not all- but our little Hooktard confirms the thinking behind stalling the nut), etc seem to be more prevalent than they were before to me.
Without exception, I've always gotten to see providers who knew: sweaty deed first, then maybe some connection building outside the bedroom.
Or maybe I just got lucky?
Or maybe I just never looked at provider websites closely enough?
I'm really asking someone to explain the phenomenon.
It feels like the Talking clubs in Asia, where men are starved for intelligent convo- and costs more than straight s-x
Exactly. I mean gimme a fkin break. If her site says 300 an hour and then she wants to tack on an extra half hour (LOL) to see if they have chemistry, then don't put a fkin hour as the min. Put 90 min.! It's really that simple. NOT doing that and disclosing that on your site, makes you come off as a time waster or rip off. If you INSIST, you should state that point blank.
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I can see that...and others feel as you do as well. And if you can get some johnnie boy to pay you to feed your face or sleep...more power to you.
But most of the guys I know simply wouldn't dream of doing that. But as you comment some will. Seems like the OP wasn't terribly thrilled with paying his new gal pal for simply drinking on his dime. So my post was for him...NOT for you or others who want to pay or get paid to be a faux friend.
And to equate this to dating...it isn't. When going on dates the people involved aren't charging by the hour to spend time together doing whatever. So don't pull out that bullshit card on this site...it simply is not appropriate.
Lastly, if my continued posts on NOT paying for out and about time bothers you...simply ignore it.
See...that was easy!
Perhaps a urinalysis?
Maybe you gave her some name and she sat there and googled the name you gave?
Was this even the hooker that you saw in the pics? Did she have any reviews?
FWIW don't ever pay for out and about time...that's just bullshit. Now write that review and let your pals know of her indiscretions.
I wasn't aware that this was counted toward time booked and would have preferred to just meet in room. Live and learn...
You're so nuts about this, I always see it over and over on your posts. Don't you understand that in many cases, these women would not date or spend time with these particular men unless compensated? I mean that's the whole thing, they wont date you, they wont f*uck you, eat with you, pretend to care about your day, without being compensated. So if he wants to jump levels and spend time with someone who otherwise wouldn't, then why is it such a big deal that he pay for it?
If it makes him happy then that's fine. Maybe he wants arm candy, maybe he likes her, but if she doesn't like him in real life, so what if he wants to compensate her to pretend to. It's a fantasy for some. Not to mention, no time anyone spends with a client is ever relaxed from a providers point of view, so you're always "on", no matter what the activity.
I mean hell, what's so wrong with being the kind of woman who doesn't want to date a married guy or a guy she isn't attracted to without being compensated? And before you say this isn't dating, pretty sure for some of us, it's pretty close..sure there's no strings but you certainly do a lot of the same things people do when they're dating. Like sleeping together, kissing, sharing affection, talking, getting to know one another. I mean sorry, but some people I would rather be alone than hang out with, so if you want to hang out - pay for it. If a lady was interested in spending time with you for free, she would just date you. That's it. My point is, I'm not interested in dating anyone, that's right..anyone. So if you want me to participate in those types of activities, I guess you'd have to sweeten the deal, otherwise, you could just go to a bar and hit on other chicks and see who bites. But no one should have to agree to spend time with someone for free if they don't want to and for some men, that doesn't end the conversation. Just because it does with you, doesn't mean other people are bad or sad because it doesn't with them.
Deal.
But I will say this...if you think you're not paying when you date, you're going to be disappointed. It may not be in the same form, but you are. You're paying with your pretend interest in her co-workers and boring job, with all those dates you go on before you get to even get in her pants, with the dealing with her phone calls at inopportune times, all of that is dealing with someone else's bullshit... its paying in a form. Ask some of these married guys if a wife or a professional companion is more expensive. lol.
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Seems to me that you're still looking at this with your 1970 glasses on. Yeah...back then it was expected that the guy paid for the dates. Seems like now that isn't the case...especially on early dates.
But it's nice that you expect the guy to pay for everything. Who said that chivalry is dead. LOL
But I have another newsflash...seems like many of the gals here like to pay their own way as well...even when "we" simply go out for a drink or meal. But since I'm still a guy that believes in chivalry...I insist on paying for lunch/dinner. But there are some gals that won't listen to that nonsense...and they insist. What's a guy to do
As for who's more expensive (wife or hooker)...long term it's the wife. Short term might be the hooker. All depends on the guy and his tastes. As well as having a good CPA and CFP to make sure his assets are bulletproof, if need be!
Deal.
But I will say this...if you think you're not paying when you date, you're going to be disappointed. It may not be in the same form, but you are. You're paying with your pretend interest in her co-workers and boring job, with all those dates you go on before you get to even get in her pants, with the dealing with her phone calls at inopportune times, all of that is dealing with someone else's bullshit... its paying in a form. Ask some of these married guys if a wife or a professional companion is more expensive. lol.
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The salesman asked if I would like someone to go to the registry for me and get my plates. "How nice of them" I thought as I wrote out the checks to the state. After the runner had gone the contract was put before me by their "paperwork guy" and I saw they were charging me $50 for their kindness, which was not mentioned at all by the salesman. I should have torn up the deal but was too young and stupid at the time.
My opinion is the clock starts when you shake hands and say "hello". She should have mentioned it, but that's a legitimate question to ask up front. Live and learn, and thank you for bringing it up. I need to remember that when meeting someone for the first time.
Lol when I asked her about her screening process, or rather lack of, she says TER sorta does it for her. I just sort if chuckled at that and nodded.
every provider conducts their business differently.
You have to do your homework, I personally wouldn't see someone who put me on the clock for certain activities not related to sex.
This one is on you, gotta ask and do your homework next time.
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As far screening, there was none to speak of. I have been planning my trip and meet up with a provider for a while. I did my research and read VIP reviews. She insisted on meeting at the bar for drinks and I thought it was fine. I had booked 2 hours but being the newby that I am didn't know this was on my dime. By the time we got to my room about 45 min passed already. Yes I will be posting a review about her when I get home. The funny thing is, a new review was just posted about this girl, who had the same negative experience I had. more stuff than the drinks...
But to answer questions, no I did not want to hang out at the bar and drink with her, it was at her request.
But some gal(s) wanted to bloviate that you should be paying for her to eat, drink or shit on YOUR dime LOL
Hey...don't fret. You learned and I trust that nonsense will never happen again.
But to answer questions, no I did not want to hang out at the bar and drink with her, it was at her request.
Mind if ask how the time spent was discussed? She's watching the clock, you're expecting another 45...beep beep.. off goes the timer and you say 'huh'? And if so, what was her response to your reaction? Was she apolgetic for the miscommunication? Or just matter-of-fact?
Yup, she took you for a ride, and not the good kind lol. Most women who insist on meeting first offer longer dates and it is understood that it is part of the meeting. If there was nothing on her site to state this, you got fked and should review her as a rip off... well, close to it.
...where did you see her ad? You say she now has a review describing a similar experience to yours. What were her other reviews like?
Please let us know when your review is posted.
Please let us know when your review is posted.
When the nipple makes the first appearance!