Just say "no." If you feel you can finish the session, do so. If the question bothered you to the point of stopping the session, you shouldn't keep all money. It's illegal and riskly to ask questions before a session. Moronic or not, it's just a question.

If you can finish the session, and never want to see him again, that is your right. Do what you feel is best.

If the question is repeated or he nags, do what you think is best. Kick him to the curb if you want.

If he tries to sneak it in, I say his ass if fair game. For example, if you carry a taser, you could hit at session's end. Something like that if you wanted to.

Or you could be clever and tell him "Well I'm not clean. The condom is for your protection." He'd never put that in a review, no one would believe him.

Also, you might backchannel about him, out him on a PO board, tell his wife, I don't know. Guys like that need to have the shit kicked out of them, in my book, 'cuz that's the best way to get it through to them.

The only other thing I'd say is if you are worried about 1 bad review from one lying scum-sucking bastard's ass who tries to sneak in a bareback, then I don't know what to tell you.

Sorry I'm not much help on this. Where is johngaltnh when you need him?


HH

Well, I don't know either one of you so have no idea who is telling the truth here.   But, I DO know one thing.   There are no lotions which will make you go soft like that.  If it happened it was mostly "in your head" because you got scared.

where's the fricken pictures? a mans only resource dries up. live my life for two minutes and sea(ha)if you don't get testi without any nekkididity.

Recently I had a client physically try to put his d*#k in without a condom.  I asked, "what exactly are you trying to do there?"  And he went on to say, "Oh come on, I'm clean I promise"    I think this is just NAS-TAY but it happens.  Amazingly enough it happens.  What do you think a provider should do in a situation like this?

Stop the session and throw the guy out (keeping the money)  - this means he could review the session and pretty much say whatever the heck he wants without the provider being able to defend herself since there's no outlet for us to document our opinions on specific reviews

Stop the session and throw the guy out and give the money back

Continue with the session but use a condom for FS

Continue the session but use a condom for FS AND BJ (who wants to put their mouth on someone's dick after they try that crap)

Another option?

In general, I would say to provide the best everything FULLY COVERED remainder of a session possible, only doing those things where you can easily ensure the cover remains in place. Some of the answer may lie with how far into the session you have gone.

All the other options are somewhat viable, but have the obvious risk as you pointed out. Of course, if you do what I suggest above they may still write a crappy review out of spite. The option of throwing them out WITH their money, does have the advantage of them (supposedly) not being able to write a review. I will not go into what I think of that (i.e. fake reviews by guys and ladies).

Here is the line of demarcation to consider. Did they ask, or did they try without asking? Realistically, this is a case by case decision each lady will have to make, and I do not envy you this.

If he tried that without ur acknowledgement, that is problematic. I can understand if he asked u beforehand to get ur feedback. But, he didn't.

I don't think u should stop the session and keep the money. Its possible to give him a sum of his money back and yet keep a portion for urself. If u have many consistent reviews, and if he does write a review, his review will be an outlier, and others may view that as suspect and doubting his credibility or reason for the negative feedback. Its ur health, and u shouldn't let any1 jeopardize ur health.

Others may say, give him a warning about it and continue the session FS but covered. But I say, if he try to do that without ur acknowledgement, can u imagine him on a personal level? I don't even want to start judging him on his character. He literally went behind ur back and thought he could get away with it. Can u imagine if he busted inside of u? He must think u r dumb and won't look down or something. What a complete idiot. Kick him to the curve and retain a portion of his contribution.

In this case specifically - he tried without asking.  Fortunately he was fumbling and I was "cock clocking" - literally.  In the times I have experienced this in the past, I would say it's about 50/50 whether or not they ask or TRY to plunge in.  Thanks for you input  erica

I'd say: Cock-block the asshole, immediately end the session, keep all of his money for your troubles, and advertise to every other provider you can think of he did.

But, we don't live in a perfect world. And if he is trying to cross that boundary, hard to know what others he might cross. The donation for one session is hardly worth getting hurt over. If you have access to the provider only board here on TER, or anywhere else, I suggest you ask this question there. Sadly, I doubt there is anything new about this one....

It is one thing if he asks, but this guy didn't. You should kick him to the curb. It would be best for you if you returned the money as he is less likely to write a fake review if return the money. It isn't he deserves it, it is that a few hundred isn't worth the fight. But kick him to the curb. He has no respect for you and is dangerous.

I know this will be controversial but you need to warn other about him. Please, for the protection of providers everywhere put him on some provider only blacklist sites like DZ411 or even the PO board. Guys like that are what blacklist sights are for. They are for dangerous clients. Guy that go for BBFS without getting the OK are most defiantly dangerous.

Now if he would have asked my answer would be way different. In that case give him a firm NO and provide everything covered. By asking and not pushing he is at least showing some respect. As a provider (hobbyist should assume this too), you should assume everyone is having BBFS with someone. At least he gave you warning.

If he pushes it after you said no, I think it would be wise to kick him to the curb as you can't trust him as his pushiness shows a lack of respect. I would not blacklist him though in this case.

I am not a provider, but I care a great deal for one. This is what I would want her to do.

Having met you inperson and chatted here and there, you didn't shove his nose right up into his fucking brain...lol!

Seriously Erica, no lady should do what she don't dig. No amount of money is worth it.

I kinda like HH's thing when he said 'it's for your protection, not mine'....

Besides, there's some of us *cough, cough* that risk getting introuble cuz a lady was done wrong in some form or fashion and will do it again unapologetically....

They aren't mutually exclusive, so here goes....

Charge extra
Grab his nut sack and twist
Use teeth on the bj, and not in the gentle sexy kind of way
Flash the cute little Glock that's in your purse to remind him that you don't play like that.

Yes, it's been that kind of week...thanks for playing

Wonder what her rate would be if.......


I'd FUCKING PAY DOUBLE! Did i say that out loud? The older sect will probably call me names for liking such a young girl. She's fricken 19!

maybe you should stop ripping guys off and they'll treat you better

heres my review from that other place, be warned boyz..

Saw Erica twice, once about 2 years ago and had a great time , gotta love those big bouncy boobs and her BBBJCIM is about the best i ever had. So I was looking to forward to seeing her again after a medical issue she needed to deal with. Made an appt , went upstairs , during the initial chit chat I found it strange she brought up a review I wrote a year earlier about a different gal. In that review I made a point that after 40 minutes of fun she got up off the bed , went to her laptop to check out her e-mails & pm's from this site. Erica said that was " bad form" to include that in a review. Obviosuly I disagreed. pointing out I paid for an hour of her time & only got 40 minutes of attention . Ok that was it , she made her point & so did I.

We laid on the bed & and after a short peroid of DFK she took out a tube of lotion and began fevorishly rubber it on my member. Almost immediately I began to lose sensation, felt numb & went soft. With a real sinister look on her face Erica said " Well looks like nothings going to happen today , maybe you should just leave" which is what i did

On the drive home I called a veteran poster from here and explained what happened . He said some of those lotions have de-synthesizing agent in them & that will happen. Couple of days later a well known provider in chat said " Oh thats Erica , she has a nationwide reputation for doing things like that if she doesnt like you". I thought to myself " oh thats great, just spent 300 bucks for a five minute HJ"

Never wrote this review cause well, Eric ahasnt been around much so why bother? But now that shes in the area again I figured I would alert my fellow hobbyists of the POTENTIAL for disaster.

Since scoed screwed up, here are two for ya.
PS: re the bareback guy, you know what I'd have done to him.  just ask my no-dick hubby.

I saw this idiot twice and refused his service after that.  16 MONTHS later he was doing what he always does, bashing providers and specifically going behind my back in a chat room on BGFE calling me a man hating lesbian and claiming I put a dick  desensitizer in my lube.  I called him on his shit and told him to stop and, in chat, with many many people looking in, then he threatened me with writing this shitty review.  The next day - bam there it was.  

You are an ass GED, that's why you have been blacklisted to hell and back, banned from boards over and over, and can only find dates among the ignorant and desperate.  I think you might find it a little more difficult to harass and terrorize providers on this board than on the other.  And your review on the other board actually did me a great service as more than one person wanted to see me knowing I don't put up with you or shit like you.  Perhaps it will do the same for me here.  So Hey, Appreciate that!

I would send him on his way.

I am really a non-confrontational individual. That being said, it does not make me a subjugated object.

The client has a set of rules with which he works by. He has gone shopping, researched his options and settled on a purchased service. His right is to utilize the purchased service in a manner consistent with its advertised options and LIMITATIONS. He knows what the service consists of and he knows the limitations of product. Many products have warning labels that clearly indicate that using a product in a manner inconsistent with its intended use voids all warranties and remedies.

He knows the rules, especially with someone as well known as you. As soon as he attempts that I would simply tell him, " you know the rules, that is not an option and this session is over. In addition I honestly do not feel that as a client we are compatible. Here is your money back." Like the client, you have your rules as well. I make the assumption that you only see well referenced and  at least moderately experienced clients. He knows your rules!

The money is really of no importance to me in this type of a situation. I don't want his money, I want his disrespectful behind out my door. I can replace the money sooner or later. What I cannot replace or create is the respect I am due. Bending the rules is obviously not an option, and neither is lowering your standards.

Its clear by your post that you have no intention of interacting in the manner he desires. As an aside I do not know of any companion who would willingly act in such a careless manner. Since you know from that point on what his true desire is, and you know its not going to happen, its all downhill after that. Why bother to prolong the event. Be nice, be cordial, be professional, but be steadfast in your decision. Just get up, get dressed, hand him his money and end the ordeal. Explain to him that its a matter of his safety, your safety and the safety of everyone else the two of you come in contact with. In addition I would have no problem telling him its also a matter of respect. He needs to respect the comfort zone you work within, and the boundaries you as an individual have set. If he cant have that minimal level respect he is not worth seeing.

Just my individual thoughts.

Wonderfully said, as always Reagan  

Let see if mine will. Photo is of Liv A and Ilze A from MetArt.

If so then for sure go to all the private sites we ladies use and post his info. I don't like any blacklist site that is open for everyone to see "just my feelings". I bet if he did this to you other ladies have put up with him and he's already listed.

I have been through this more than I would like to say lately. BareBack must be the in thing from what I see and hear. How can you explain so many men trying openly with us if they aren't doing the same elsewhere .

I have done covered BJ with them and they were pissed but most of the time it's to late and my mouth has already been placed somewhere i'm not happy with. BJ cums first most of the time !

Kisses Haley

But you right. You do get testy with out nudes. Here is one for you. Rylee A from MetArt.com. Have fun.

BBFS happens more often than you think. A provider has a regular and lets him go BBFS, guy offers lady a lot more money for it and she feels comfortable so she goes with it, etc but it happens. I think sometimes SOME guys let the little head take control and sex always feels better without condoms so they try and go for it. In your situation I would have told the guy no and finished the session, simple as that. Or if you were just really not comfortable finishing the session, give him a PORTION of his money back and end it right then and there. I personally think its disgusting but to each his own.

You could  tell him you will need his full name, social security number, address etc. so that if you get pregnant  since you aren't on B/C he can pay child support for 18 yrs.  That should scare the crap out of him.

Bad customers patronize every sort of business.  Just do what clerks and bartenders and waitresses do.  Be polite, but firm.

Tell him that's not acceptable.

Tell him again that it's not acceptable, and if he persists you'll have to ask him to leave.

If he persists, ask him to leave.

At this point, of course, it would be nice to have the threat of law enforcement behind you as people in other professions do.  Tragically, in the U.S. it's not so easy.  But you CAN make him uncomfortable nonetheless.  Instead of the law, you can casually remind him of your boyfriend, manager, that you know his number and where he works and that he's married, etc.  

Polite but firm.  Always maintain control of the situation.

I was thinking the whole time,  "I am SUCH a dirty old man...in a good way."  One of them was giving me an outstanding BBBJ and I said to her, "How can you have gotten so good at such a young age?"  She looked up at me with the sweetest, most innocent smile and said, "I just love to give pleasure."
Almost shot my load right there.  lol!

Put a item in the FAQ section of your website that you don't do bbfs. Put a note  that attempted bbfs will result in session terminated immediately without a refund and other ramifications that are appropriate.  I think the others have good suggestion on what to do if he does not listen. Also do not make any suggestions to him about who to do bbfs with.

Question for you did you check his references and other things to get a risk assessment ?

She needs to be prepared to pull the trigger on the glock. She needs to get a silencer for it, lol.

I would have been shouting it from the roof tops and he would most likely be in the hospital  erica

And I notified his reference of his inclination right after the incident.  While he made it clear that he has asked for BBFS many times over - he did not mention his references and when I spoke to them, they did NOT react as though that was something they had to deal with.

I've been in this business a little while and while usually a jerk is a jerk, it's not unusual for a man to behave himself well with this provider or that provider and then pull a stunt like this on the next provider - using the ones behaved well with as references over and over to get by.  Most of the clients in this hobby are absolute darlings, but there's the sneaky son of a bitch every now and then.

I would never references BBFS on my website even to say I don't do it.  It should be obvious (without having to degrade my website or mention such disgusting things) that I don't want to be inflicted in that way just as I don't want to be punched in the face or shot with a gun

To put a note that says you don't do BBFS on your website is about as smart as sticking your tongue in a light socket.

The only thing her website should say about services is that she provides her time for a rate. She has a fantasy menu on TER, thats all she needs. To advertise she provides sexual favors for money, safe or unsafe on a personal website is foolish and illegal.

My shortest post ever, lol.

Im sorry it happen to you.  Ive had attempted on quite a few times, but caught it. One looser I freaked out on!! Went completly off. I just dont understand where these guys minds are. Dont they think about the consiquences. Not saying you have anything. but if there doing it to u. then there doing it with other ladies. or attempting to. It seems to be a growing situation in the industry. I cant beginn to tell u how much it ticks me off. one they obviously have no reguard for them selfs or if they have  some one special at home.  I would finnnish session with  the proper gear. and black list his ass.  I love it when they say oh baby let me just rub against you.  my ass yeh right. These men not all are  destroying the buisness.   I wounder what there wifes will say they bring them home a precious everlastng gift!!! And I sure am not talking roses.

You have a good sense of humour.

I'll say!

the envelope is properly put away, so can throw his ass out the door if he tries that shit.  If a guy doesn't play by the rules, he should play.  A lady should be treated with respect, not a blow-up doll.

Finally a real Gentlemen. More should take his advise!!   Thanks keystonekid for showing there is stll some sort of hope for meeting Gentlemen!!!  I was loosing hope!!

a fine, hot ass.  So I guess I shouldn't complain if you kiss it!  LOL!

-- Modified on 11/13/2011 12:32:25 PM

Hope she wouldn't backhand the shit out of me if I gave a tiny, little bite.

You know. Just a little 'arrr'...

Instead of searching those BS  blackilist sites where providers can post anything they want even if they never saw the guy , may i suggest you look at my review "over there" , then read the several reviews that followed. If you do you'll discover a similiar theme to the sessions with Erica that followed, those guys agreed with me that shes a very bitter , mean individual and with so many other ladies out there to see guys would be better off spending their hard earned money elsewhere

You already tried this earlier in the thread and got shot down rather quickly and honestly.  I've been here for years and actually KNOW some of these people.  You are just one of "those" freaks on the board that don't have a life and get's his ego fed from tearing down women who refuse to tolerate you and your bullshit.  As one poster in another thread told you -  you will alienate the membership of whatever board you are on and you seem to be on your way here.  I scrapped you off my shoe long ago, 2 yrs ago, and you're still just barely annoying.  And yes, please read my thread with tens of great reviews - and his.  Oh how I wish there were a cure for stupid.