...you ignorant slut. Big Akroyd fan, couldn't resist, now continue on with your important debate.

I don't actually understand "luv`nlife's" or "Counterpoint's" issues and advice as per the original post by "Sssssssssssssst".

Mr Luv'nlife's statement of "you can't complain to the people you're complaining about" seems odd to me, the original post seemed to be about clients expecting free time from a lady because he has in the past been a paying customer.  Now, unless the implication is that all the guys posting here do this or that it is correct to do so, I'm not sure how that's complaining to who she is complaining about.

As for Mr Counterpoint's counter, how is saying "I don't like a guy expecting a free session because he has previously had a paid session" confirming the worst  aspects of what the ladies think of their clients.  Unless you or the person reading is one that pushes for time off the clock after on previous occassions having paid for services rendered, I am not sure how her post says anything about what she thinks of you or them.

As for the good advice from Mr Luv'nlife, granted telling her that the guys will have no sympathy might be good, I guess.  To know that criticism of what would be seen as bad clients (ie those that want time off the clock because they have in the past paid for time on the clock, and threaten to not pay for on the clock time again if they do not receive the off the clock time) will be seen as criticism of all clients and not be welcomed is valuable for a lady to know.  

That there is supposition on the part of Mr Luv'nlife and Mr Counterpoint that posts by ladies are all marketing, and if they have clients that don't respect them as business people it is apparently their advice to the ladies to accept that, and act happy about it and say how much they enjoy the guys that treat them that way or else the guys will stop hobbying or curtail their involvment to once or twice a year.  

The reference to the "clients that pay your bills", well paid them at least in the past but want it for free now, would be a more correct statement I think.  Would you be saying the same thing to a restaurant owner who had patrons that showed up on a busy night, or at night after the restaurant had closed, and said they deserved a table and to be served for free because they paid to eat their on past occassions?

Do you and Mr Luv'nlife assume that if on a messageboard for say, electronics retailers and customers if a retailer complained about shoplifters all the customers would immediately think it were about them and tell the retailer how they may never shop at their establishments, or any electronics retailers, again because clearly that retailer, by not liking shoplifters, doesn't like any of their customers?  That the complaint about shoplifters just confirms customer's worst suspicions as to how all the electronics retailers really see them and so will not shop ever again or if they still have to shop do so very infrequently?

I thought she made a reasonable statement about some not so nice clients.  Perhaps her problem was in being creative with how she did so, maybe some folks couldn't figure out the words to her satirical song. If I had to give her advice for posts in the future it would be the old business adage, "no one ever went broke by underestimating the public's intelligence", but I wouldn't want to dispense that advice as I enjoy posts that show more creativity and can speak to a serious issue with wit.  

I do find part of your post, Mr Counterpoint, quite ironic though.
QUOTE:"felt had developed an entitlement attitude"
When her original post was about clients that had developed entitlement attitudes and thought they deserved free time because after all they had paid for time before.  So you find ladies with entitlement issues distasteful, but ladies that find client's with entitlement issues distasteful are also not good in your opinion?

I don't think Miss Sssssssssssssst's original post was out of line, I don't think it deserved a lesson in marketing, and I don't think her perhaps assuming that good clienmts might sympathise with her that outrageous an idea. Unless of course all the guys that post here do what she is complaining about, it wasn't about you, or Mr luv'nlife, or any other poster. It was a specific complaint about a specific type of client, that she would be told that would be unwelcome by the community at large or at least the men of it, does seem odd to me though.  Maybe it is a big us against them thing, and they guys will stand against a lady no matter how valid her point?  Nah, I don't think so, or I at least hope not, I know of some good guys here that wouldn't say "you'll cost yourself and all the ladies business if you complain about anything, and everything you say had better be geared to the ego stroking of all the guys or you're ruining it for everyone".

One quick final thing, I did make this post under the supposition that both you, Mr Counterpoint, and Mr Luv'nlife actually understood Miss Sssssssssssssst's original post.  If that is not the case and all you wrote was out of a failure to comprehend her satire....then......nevermind. *grin*