To the OP.

Curious about your interpretation of the law (or laws - other posters are right; they vary by jurisdiction).

Simply, is this your personal conclusion based on your own logic and reason, or do you have any published/verifiable source or link to back this conclusion up?  Such as a statute, an ordinance, a Court's written decision, notes or comments on legislative history, some kind of manual for police officers?

I think it may be harder to prove a crime if you engage in those precautions - which is why people do it, but that does not mean that they will work.  You will get busted.  And probably but not necessarily convicted if you go to trial.  

Does anyone have any data/statistics on Jack's optimistic approach?  Would you believe him if your were a judge or on a Jury?  I think not.  It may depend.   Does she have a record?  Is she going to get on the stand and tell the same story?

I recently introduced a friend to the whole thing and he thought it was grossly funny and disgusting to imagine a hot lady trying to suck my balls because I was hot. LOL

Out of all the people here, I am SURE at least one of them is a cop just trying to enjoy the pleasure.

Believe it or not, I got in a debate with a stripper, of all people about the legality of the hobby.  She insisted it was illegal. I told her that as long as sexual acts are not discussed over the phone or through email or before money is exchanged, there's nothing illegal about one adult paying another adult for her time and companionship.   I sure as hell didn't appreciate the uppity attitude that this stripper had towards providers in particular and the hobby in general.  Maybe deep down she realized that providers have the potential to wipe out her business and she didn't like that.

People don't know shit about this hobby and what goes on in it, yet, yet they act like they are f_____king experts on it.  Well, the hell with them!  Thank you providers.  You have my utmost respect and I will always be grateful to you and the good times you have provided me.

what's next asking her for change?

Your confusing "legality" with "provable beyond a reasonable doubt".  

Something may not be provable in court but that does not mean nothing illegal happened.

Instead of arguing the point with a stripper, try it in front of a judge and see how far you get.  Better you than me.
PS: Odds are your stripper friend will be hooking soon, too.

Robert, Sr. (the artist), or Jr. (the actor).  Both have lots of dinero (or had, in the case of Sr., who's dead).  I would love to own a DeNiro, Sr. They go for upwards of $200K each!

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If you find yourself in a room with LE, you're busted.

Even if you somehow win your case in front of a judge or jury, you'll be outed in the media and will have spend mucho deniro on your case.

That's a pyhric victory if ever there was.

You hire a math tutor. She comes to your place and starts chatting you up. Then she realizes that you are intensely sexy. Next thing you know, instead of teaching you calculus, she is sucking your dick. She just could not resist your allure.

Tell this to the cops... This is NOT ILLEGAL.

Furthermore, I go through like 10 a month ha ha. When I first started I was so nervous I passed myself off as a personal trainer, and made the guy hop on the treadmill we had at one of the incalls for 2 min. before I would touch him. I used the same logic as you are using, that I was just attracted to all my clients and they were paying for a work out.

I think the thing people miss is that it is not illegal to "advertise" escort services, but it IS illegal to have sex for money. No judge in the world is going to buy we are just paid for time...it's like saying you did not know someone wrote a review from your PC, whilst you were 2 feet away lol. Oh sure, you can use that excuse but good luck with that ha ha. When LE shows up, 9 times out of 10 there is NO sex or even a discussion of sex. They cuff your butt the minute you walk in for "intent."

Jack,

It does NOT matter how you spin it, prostitution is ILLEGAL. Solciting for prostitution is ILLEGAL. Promoting prostitution is ILLEGAL.

It doesn't matter if you and the other party did not "discuss" the activities beforehand, the actual act is considered ILLEGAL in almost all states in the union.

Get over it and move on.

Serpius

Yo' Jack!  Tell that to the Vice Cop's when you are being toted off to the undercover van!  I am sure they will say something to the effect of "Oh-Well then let me take these thumb cuffs off and you can be on your way-sorry and hope there are no hard feelings-we all make mistakes"!!

Math tudors??
Just rattle this trig equation off to the cops and u are home free....


sec 2x cos(x - 45) = 1 / sqrt(2)

x = 90 or 360

Actually, in some jurisdictions, is IS illegal to pay someone for their time/receive money for your time, UNLESS you have an escort license. For instance, in Madison, WI, it is completely legal to "escort", offer body rubs, and strip teases, as long as you are independent. But go to Brookfield, Appleton, Lacrose,WI, etc, & you need an escort license... all you have to do is show up/give them your address, & as soon as the door is opened, if you do not have your license, you will be issued a ticket ranging from $700-$2800( and P.S, obtaining a license is impossible, it's a catch 22).

As long as you are on a roll, do you know what else?  Paying taxes is not mandatory!  Ask Wesley Snipes!!

So you don't think it's possible that the stripper you were arguing with was simply refusing to go along with your little semantics game and actually knows that men and women who exchange money for "time and companionship" sometimes have sex as well? And yes, sex that you pay for is illegal.

If you ever wind up in hand cuffs being led out of a hotel room after getting caught in a sting do yourself a favor and don't get into the same argument with the cop that you did with the stripper...

Most to all contributors in this thread have made good points and I acknowledge that.  However, there has to be at least SOME legality to the escort business (paying someone for their time and companionship).  Why do I say this?  Because there are freaking ads in the yellow pages for escort agencies!  Surely, those all can't be undercover cops, right?  

And yes, I know in this day and age of the internet, no one uses the yellow pages any more, but you get my point.

I think the point really is it doesn't matter what the letter of the law says.  If you walk into that room and it's LE they are going to bust you no matter what you say or do, then lie about it.  Just reality, man.

but you cannot partake in HOOKING. I ran an agency back in 05 when you could place ads in the weekly newspaper called the Gambit lol. You can advertise all you want, but get caught getting paid to fk and see what happens. They are not advertising tricking, it's escorting. The difference is what happens AFTER that.

Paying for time is legal as long as there is no sex acts during that time, but the second that line is crossed it becomes prostitution. Ask any cop, or DA. Now quit being so uninformed. If what you say is true one of my favorites would never of gotten busted. She would not talk sex until you and her was nude and genital contact by both parties was made. She never talk money on a date but made sure she was paid before she stripped. Dude your advise is dangerous and very incorrect.

Escorting ( accompanying someone to dinner or an event) is generally legal.  Paying someone money for sex ( even if dinner is part of the deal and even if you call it escorting) is not.  I have never heard of anyone being arrested at a restaurant with his ATF.  Explaining what you are doing in a hotel room with a relative stranger would be a bit more suspicious.  Sudden mutual attraction with a non sexual paid escort would not be believed in most cases, I think.  You'll have better luck claiming it's your girlfriend, admitting the sex and denying the connection to any money.  That will not work if the lady acknowledges she is a paid escort.

There are escort agencies that make a point in their ads that they have nothing to do with sex.  I believe them.

Two favorites of mine got busted. One that never talked sex but gave the cop a BBBJ. Busted for prostitution and no sexually oriented business licence. The other refused to do more than a back rub when she got busted a year later. They are only gave her a no sexually oriented business licence charge. Yes they both got busted. But the fist served time and the second likely will not (case still pending). In the link below the two that only got the No sexual business licence refused the officers the other six agreed after to engage in sex acts and got two or more charges including prostitution. Still busted but still one class B charge is better than two by a long shot.

Then intent kicks your but. No escort licence? still illegal. Escort licences are hard to get and cost as much as the fine. $1000 or more depending on area.

You want to hire an escort for an hour and don't expect sex that's fine with us.  You're right, it's not against the law to have dinner with a woman and pay her for her time.  For the record, this is why the yellow pages can accept ads for escort services with no fear of reprisal.

That being said, you are trying to split hairs when it comes to the reality of what most escorts do, most men expect and what LE is trying to catch us doing.  Understand that you aren't fooling anyone, especially LE with your "escorting is legal" mantra. A very miniscule portion of escorts only "escort".

The cat is pretty much out of the bag on this...

I don't recall ever giving advice to anyone.  Yes, I will concede that there are many aspects of this industry that are illegal, but I'm not sure ALL of it is.  The ads in the phone book say less than what many agencies say in their online ads, which is something to the effect of, " money spent is for time and companionship only.  Anything that happens is up to two consenting adults.  This is not an offer of prostitution."  Is not this dislclaimer there for legal reasons?  

Would it be incorrect to say that many elements of this industry are illegal, but not ALL of them are?   Can you be arrested on the spot if you told a cop that you had a date with a woman from an escort agency?  And no, I don't recommend doing this!  LOL.

It is legal to spend time with an escort and pay her to do so as long as no sex acts happens or is discussed. In my state that is genital contact of any kind. I have had two favorites get busted one preformed a sex act that was not discussed (I know, I seen the tape as I was paying for her lawyer, so she showed me the evidence they had on her) and she has a disclaimer on her ad. She never even stripped. She got charged and convicted of prostitution and no sexually orientated business licence.

I had anther in the last few months that failed to preform a sex act or agree to one as things seemed off to her. They could not and did not bust her for prostitution so they settled for a no sexually orientated business licence.  She even stripped but as there was no sex act agreed to or preformed there was no prostitution charged. There was no disclaimer on her ad.

The point of the disclaimer is to keep the web site or ad from proving intent, nothing more. The second sex acts are preformed they actually can be used against you. here is a link to a discussion of a case where such a disclaimer was used to PROVE prostitution after the acts happened. As I have said this is all legal as long as there is no sex act and the lady is licensed if required. The second a sex act is offered, preformed or asked for during or before the time paid for it is prostitution.

You are fine if all you wish to do is talk, take her out on the town, or watch her strip and no more. You still might get arrested but it will not stand in court if there is no sex acts discussed or preformed. That is unless the cop lies or you open your damn mouth then you are still screwed.

I think the providers who post them THINK they provide protection.  But the legal reality is, they do not.  Just because such stuff gets posted doesn't make it real, or legal.

at least.  I still didn't like her uppity attitude towards providers.  The moral of the story is something we already know.  Pay only verified and well reviewed providers for their time.

Exactly.. they can actually work against you if you are arrested.

Exacty,if your not doing anything wrong, why do you need a disclaimer?  A disclaimer is honestly an admission of guilt, plain and simple.