had a great experience each time ,1st time was several yrs ago on NYE at 1:am outcall ay my hotel she showed up on time ready to rock ,i just checked & realized i didn't right a review .Obviously something was off that day
Has anyone received such a threat before?
Did the provider carry out with her plans?
How did you handle the situation if she did or didn't?
A gentle reminder to be careful with what you tell someone, because you never know how vindictive and evil he/she can be..
If she is willing to go to jail for blackmail and ruin her life as well, then nothing you can do but I suspect she doesn't want to go to jail.
Simply get on the phone and record her demanding something and ask her, "So if I don't do this you are going to do XXX"?
The threat is in response to a recent review.
I'm guessing she wants it removed.
Here's the problem: if you ask TER to take the review down, they may refuse because it's now their property. If she's smart she'll just tell them the session never happened and the review is bogus. Then they may take it down if they believe her. You have no control over that. If you report her to TER they may ban her if they believe you, which will piss her off more.
I'll contact the site right now.
Easy to say when it's not your ass on the line. And we have no idea what she actually knows about him (and DON"T tell us!). Get some serious legal advice. You will not find that here. Only gratuitous opinions.
Never record someone without their permission. In most states that in itself will cause you a heap of trouble. Voicemail or text is fine, because the sender consents to it. But don't ever secretly record someone.
You can send a 'cease and desist' letter. This would basically suggest she stop calling/emailing etc.
The other aspect is, if you have a good reputation and want to preserve it be careful what you disclose.
Beat me to it- never ever think your secret recording will do anything but get you in big trouble. Few states allow it, unless you've got a restraining order against them and given permission to record.
Actually I worked for a lawyer who, anytime someone says something that might be construed as illegal, he states "I do not know what you mean by that..." He had a partner who was being investigated and the cops were wire tapping his phone too to see if he was in on the crime with the partner. At trial they tried to go after my boss- but on the tape they played for the judge he kept muttering quietly that he was not sure what they meant by what they were saying. He would answer the question but include that phrase. They dropped the charges once the tape was played to the court. Yes, he kind of understood what they were talking about, he didn't realize his partner was really doing these things and that what the partner was doing was severe enough to go after him for it, but repeating that mantra saved his ass. His partner went to jail. He didn't.
I don't know about a cease and desist letter- a simple "you are aware that this is blackmail and if you contact me back again I will contact LE" is probably good enough.
You can send a 'cease and desist' letter. This would basically suggest she stop calling/emailing etc.
The other aspect is, if you have a good reputation and want to preserve it be careful what you disclose.
If she has only threatened to out him them I'm not so sure that is legally blackmail (not a lawyer).
But you are right that she will have to think through the ramifications and unless she's really unhinged I can't see her going through with it.
And for the record, I would never write a review like that for this very reason and I think it is the reason we don't see many like it.
I was once going to give a provider her first review and I told her beforehand that I was giving an 8 for appearance and a 9 for performance and she went ballistic on me about the appearance so I never posted the review. Eventually others posted reviews and nearly all gave her 8's so I wasn't alone but I wasn't going to take any chances
This is exactly why we have review aliases here.
PS: I would never, ever tell a girl what scores I'm going to give her. Why?
Well, I thought she would be pleased with the scores. Just goes to show how much I know about the mind of providers.
I don't know you could do anonymous reviews but I don't much see the point. The provider is obviously going to know who it is.
You simply change some of the facts (like what she wore, by picking something from her gallery she didn't wear that day) and also wait for several weeks. Then she can't be sure which of the guys she's seen has posted it. A more obvious way to be safe is to not give any provider your board handle.
inicky;
I believe you are exactly correct. My reviews are done under my alias and I would not consult with a provider regarding what I might put into a review. In fact, I have only been asked about reviews a hand full of times and am almost always non-committal about it. I was recently in a "I'm not writing reviews" stage when I was asked by a lady I know well to post one. She applied gentle pressure and wanted it done because she had recently gotten one with pretty low scores and felt an "honest" one would be to her benefit. I didn't ask but she gave me a story about why she had received the poor one. It was believable to me and that, coupled with the fact that I've seen her several times and always had a great time convinced me to write a review. I didn't discuss the particulars with her beforehand of what I'd write. But she knew I enjoyed out times together so I guess felt secure in asking me for the review.
Again, you are correct in not discussing scores with a provider before writing a review.
Regards.....RR
Recording a conversation with out all parties knowing in advance is illegal.
Simply get on the phone and record her demanding something and ask her, "So if I don't do this you are going to do XXX"?
That depends on the state. Most states only require one person in the conversation to consent - as in, you can record any call without notification if you're involved in it.
Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the call. A majority of the states and territories have adopted laws based on the federal standard. But 12 states, including California, require the consent of all parties to the call under most circumstances. These are are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington. For a state-by-state guide to taping laws, including a discussion of federal law and references to caselaw, see the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press guide, www.rcfp.org/taping/. The National Conference of State Legislatures offers a comprehensive guide to Electronic Surveillance Laws.
California law does not allow tape recording of telephone calls unless all parties to the conversation consent (California Penal Code 632), or they are notified of the recording by a distinct "beep tone" warning (CPUC General Order 107-B(II)(A)(5)). However, tape recordings can legally be made if an individual or members of one's family are threatened with kidnapping, extortion, bribery or another felony involving violence. The person receiving the threats can make a tape recording without informing the other party. (California Penal Code 633.5)
cwillzx;
Thanks for the clarification. Regards.....RR
RossVa;
My understanding, from my attorney, is that it's not illegal in all states.
If you gave her the 'goods' on you there's noone to blame but yourself. Don't bitch here. And I'm a tad confused. If its the gal you gave the 2 review to, after looking at all her other grades yours sticks out. No other ones less than 8. Do guys inflate? Sure. But a 2? Really?
You'll understand why if you read it.
Never had a problem with telling providers things in the past.
Just ran into the wrong lady.
I read it. Twice. You missed my point. I'm not saying it was a bad session. But a 2? That's for like chicks who have dicks, steal from you etc. All the other reviews look great or solid. And its not like she's just got a few. She's got 50 or so of them. Yours sticks out. Big time. You never answered my question in the subject line above.
Never had a problem with telling providers things in the past.
Just ran into the wrong lady.
should have used an alias on this one, but if she did all he said sure she would know who it was. a girl charging a grand an hour can't afford a hotel? you know where she lives. i would say you have just as much on her as she has on you.
Bottom line is you never tell a gal ANYTHING like that much less before the first date. I have lady I've seen dozens of times and she don't know anything more than my first name and maybe a tag number which is registerd to a business and a cell number which is the same. I trust her a bunch. Really do. But would NEVER tell her shit she could use against me. Again I'm sure it was a bad date. But I'd have never written the review knowing she knew what she knew. I'd of just walked away. Lesson learned.
After the review was posted, two other hobbyists PM'd me saying that they had a similar experience with her.
One person's experience was worse.
I'm sure there are plenty more disappointed clients out there who are afraid to write an honest review in fear of retaliation.
Why would I tell anything to an escort?
Well, she kind of interrogated me and asked me a lot of personal questions.
I figured that it wouldn't be used it against me, but I was very wrong.
Never had a problem with telling providers things in the past.
Just ran into the wrong lady.
The interrogation was an invitation to 'walk away.'
One person's experience was worse.
I'm sure there are plenty more disappointed clients out there who are afraid to write an honest review in fear of retaliation.
Why would I tell anything to an escort?
Well, she kind of interrogated me and asked me a lot of personal questions.
I figured that it wouldn't be used it against me, but I was very wrong.
Never had a problem with telling providers things in the past.
Just ran into the wrong lady.
Meant to say it WASN'T a bad session. My bad.
One person's experience was worse.
I'm sure there are plenty more disappointed clients out there who are afraid to write an honest review in fear of retaliation.
Why would I tell anything to an escort?
Well, she kind of interrogated me and asked me a lot of personal questions.
I figured that it wouldn't be used it against me, but I was very wrong.
Never had a problem with telling providers things in the past.
Just ran into the wrong lady.
Now THAT's a review! On the one hand, assuming it's a fair and accurate representation of what happened (and I have no reason to believe it's not), good for you for warning the rest of us. On the other hand, I can see why she's pissed. Too bad, though, because if it's accurate you probably graded her too high! Why in the world did you give her enough info to hurt you? If you're doing that with all the girls and this is the first time it's bitten you, you've been playing with fire and it finally burned you. Best of luck. Lesson learned and I hope to doesn't cost you more angst.
It is a lesson learned.
Hopefully I don't have to pay with my career.
Subject line fron your review...
WTF were you thinking?
You had every opportunity to think and avoid.
It seems all too coincidental to me. You might be able to get her banned if you can forward the text she sent you to TER. I've been threatened once by a provider for writing unflattering details about her in my review. She also tried to get the review pulled without success. Since she didn't have my personal info, they were simply empty threats. I told her I would send all her pm's to TER if she didn't stop and that managed to get her to stop. Maybe you can do the same to see if she would stop.
yes and it's always funny. the 10/10 shill right after.
Nothing new.
However, something tells me she was irritated with you from jump street and you rubbed her the wrong way. No other reason for her to behave the way you claim she did in the review.
She's probably a good provider who shouldn't have accepted the appointment with you since something set obviously her off and she couldn't put her game face on.
But with more attention drawn to it here...well, you're probably going to get it when she goes uber bitch crazy.
This is a lesson to everyone. When red flags are thrown on either side dear God don't go through with the meeting.
When it comes right down to it you are the customer. I think I would have bailed beforehand though. I gotta say it seems a bit out of the ordinary with such an experienced provider. I have to say though I had a semi-bad experience with a highly rated and experienced provider and I know I was very nice to her. She pretty much threatened me to give her 10's or expose me. Not personable, stuck-up, non-GFE. I didn't reveal an info though. I didn't want to take a chance that she would so I just didn't review her. Good Luck.
If she takes it too far, don't be afraid to talk to an attorney who might suggest going to LE. She could be charged with a felony for blackmail.
I recall a well documented case where this occurred two or three years ago
Sure. No the provider 's people called once ( cell ) and text threats continued for a couple weeks. Best is to ignore. Extortion & blackmail are federal offenses as are the threats. Don't block the calls. Just change your answering machine to default without your voice. Then they or she don't know if your number is active. Also place a security lock on your cell so that data remains safe. If anyone came knocking upon your door they would lose the chance to extort money.
I can't believe you posted this w/out an alias, now everyone can see who the provider is. Think about what can happen now as a result. You've essentially made a bad situation worse by airing it out here.
What you REALLY need to do is rectify this w/ the girl somehow and move on because your personal and business life are at stake. Try and see if TER will delete the review. Talk w/ her about the ways a review can be removed as mentioned above. Chalk it up as a loss and move on.
What purpose was your review supposed to serve? Trying to warn the community about her since you had a bad date? That's normally a noble thing to do for your fellow hobbyists, but this isn't some random BP girl with 1 or 2 reviews...she has 5 pages of 9s and 10s. Because of this, her new clients will take your review with a grain of salt once they read her other reviews. It's a wasted effort that will only cause a shitstorm.
As someone said above, you pissed her off somehow from the very beginning. You had the opportunity to walk before you got to her place when she yelled at you over the phone.
Finally, you mentioned in your review she had an O. That was faked
You are saying we shouldn't give a top provider a bad review even if it is true because she has pages of great reviews, and hobbyists will simply ignore the bad reviews. That's total BS. Every time I see a provider with all 10/10 reviews, it raises a red flag. I actually trust the reviews more if there are a few not-so-good ones. A provider can't possibly please everyone and have them all give you 10/10's, no matter how beautiful she is and how good she is in the sack. Granted, he probably shouldn't have given her only a 2 based on the details (nice BBBJ and FS), but he's certainly entitled to write his review.
It's because of people like you that we have such grade inflation.
And it's people like you who give providers personal info before the first date. Dumbass.
It's because of people like you that we have such grade inflation.
And I learned long time when people start name calling is when they are losing an argument like you are now. LMAO.
thats messed up, makes 1 think though
I feel sorry for both of you.
I'll stick with my $300 girls...thank you very much.
discretion is the better part of stupidity..
I recently tried to arrange a date with a touring lady who has nearly all 10/10 reviews. I contacted her through P411 where I have 4 provider okays. She says yeah she would love to see me but sends me a form to fill out asking for my real name, place of business, and business web site.
Call me skeptical but do you really think she wants the personal information for screening purposes? I think it might be so she can keep those 10/10 reviews intact.
I can. 4 ok's? Big shit. I have 40+ and still get screened. Doesn't mean I fill out any forms but the smart ladies still call references. 4 ok's is nothing.
Call me skeptical but do you really think she wants the personal information for screening purposes? I think it might be so she can keep those 10/10 reviews intact.
She can call all the references she wants. I'm just saying she ain't getting my real name and place of business for the reason stated.
Isn't that the whole point of using P411? To NOT have to give out personal information to every provider.
If she wants more than that, thank her and move on. And mention it to P411
I know of a girl in LA who has pulled this on 2 clients that have reviewed me. Guys I've known for years.
The girl I'm speaking of was finally banned from P411 but I believe she's still on TER.
Anna Faire xx
Somewhat of a familiar experience in New York.
Saw a well reviewed girl with average score of 8 + and in NYC top 100. Very bad session, rushed, up selling ( must say rare in my experience with ter girls). I made the mistake of telling her that I was very disappointed before I left but I didn't review her.
As luck would have it, someone else saw her a few months later, put a low score on ter under an alias. The girl went completely ballistic on me, email/ text with threats to take the review down. Tried explaining to her that it wasn't me, but coudnt convince her. She tried challenging the review to ter, but she coudnt get it pulled. Interestingly she also got three 10/10 reviews after that bad score.
So she went and outed all my info on the national blacklist and gave me a bad approval on date check. Luckily for me, I have a hobby name, phone and email address. The date check also didn't affect me as I had previous 30+ recommendations.
What I learned from this: never give any of you real information out. You just can't trust anyone.
I wish you all the best, I will side with the white knights on this one, if she has your real information than don't fight this battle and retreat.
If we do not right truthful reviews (as we see them), then this site is worthless. I have had providers say that they don't want me to review unless it is all 10's. If it wasn't a 10, why would I lie?
The result is the next poor sap thinks she is a 10 when she is not.
Post the reviews as you experience them. If someone has 50 8-10 reviews and one 2, most of us would discount the 2 as a one off.
The Truth will set You Free!!!
I found out shortly after the review was posted that two other gentlemen also had a similar experience to mine.
I did my homework based on the posted reviews.
I can't easily gain information on experiences that were never reviewed.
My review may make my experience seem out there, but the fact of the matter is that others have had similar experiences but were just too afraid to write the review since she also threatened them.
Despite her threats, I went along with writing the review anyways because I don't believe in suppressing the truth.
The result is the next poor sap thinks she is a 10 when she is not.
Post the reviews as you experience them. If someone has 50 8-10 reviews and one 2, most of us would discount the 2 as a one off.
The Truth will set You Free!!!
and now that you've brought this to the GD board, that's exactly what you've got. You had plenty of warning signs before your session.
Did the provider carry out with her plans?
How did you handle the situation if she did or didn't?
A gentle reminder to be careful with what you tell someone, because you never know how vindictive and evil he/she can be..
Why, why, why, why, why??? It's embarrassing knowing how many guys have shit for brains.
Yes, I know men who give their real information, but they have nothing to lose if outed. Actually, most of them are part of "communities" and 'socialize' with women and men in the lifestyle in general.
But if you are an average john who is just out to have a secret piece of ass while maintaining a "respectable" life and the image that goes with it, you are just being plain stupid not to have a fake hobby identity.
*shakes head in hands
had a great experience each time ,1st time was several yrs ago on NYE at 1:am outcall ay my hotel she showed up on time ready to rock ,i just checked & realized i didn't right a review .Obviously something was off that day
if something was off, she should have canceled and not taken his money just to be a total bitch! Just because you and several others had a great time, does not dismiss the crappy time he had. just like clients can turn bad on a given day, so can providers. she took the money, and did not deliver. while i think 1s, 2s, and 3s should be reserved for utter bait and switch, rip offs, and drug addicts, I do think he deserves to tell his side of the story. who knows what really happened here?
I agree completely & the threats thats just not right & needs to be told it .
honestly they are fine I called them once they were brilliant I'd advise any girl or client to do this they understand and hate people having this power over someone