to be a reasonable and reputable guy. You two should be friends who argue a lot, like you and me. Lol
I see many providers clearly stating they will blacklist anyone who writes them a review. Personally, I think that’s outlandish. TER clearly states these are fantasy reviews. I am not sure if you can blacklist someone for writing a review. I have never blacklisted anyone. Lucky for me I have not had any issue’s because TER has removed all my fake reviews after I contacted them. I understand the need for privacy & keeping things between two, or three consenting adults, but is a no review policy fair?
The term Blacklisting means putting information about a mis-behaving monger on an Internet Blacklist site in order to warn other providers about a bad actor. For example, someone who shorts the provider's fee or is a no-show.
Unfortunately, the term is often confused with putting someone on the provider's own Do Not See (DNS) list so she knows to decline dates from that handle in the future.
Guys can be put on a BL site for no good reason at all (the list of minor offenses is long) and it's almost impossible to get off. Many of us are on Blacklists and don't even know it. Anyone can be Blacklisted at any time for any (or no) reason whatsoever.
The result is that Blacklists are of almost no value to providers.
As for "no review" policies, of course they are not fair. How could anyone who is a member of a review site think a "no reviews" policy is fair?
I don’t mean to drift off the topic but I have been blacklisted and I don’t really care….I have almost 50 oks on P411, no trouble finding Adult companions, and I know that I treat the ladies like the Gentleman I am. I usually see P411 providers only, but in rare instances where I have contacted ladies from other sites, I have no reservations about reaching out to previous ladies to vouch for me….it is interesting to note that the 2-3 ladies who have BL me are not on P411 and have a very low profile on TER. One even blacklisted me based on heresay from one of her friends…..I never saw either one of them!
As for "no review" policies, of course they are not fair. How could anyone who is a member of a review site think a "no reviews" policy is fair?
That said, how is this a thread topic? As far as I know, "no review" policies are against TER's TOS. What am I missing that this discussion has gone on despite this? I'd think it was a non-issue. Did I read the policy wrong?
Personally, I've only met indies who *asked for* reviews.
A no-review policy is a red flag. If a provider doesn't allow their performance to be evaluated then it appears they are hiding something. Where would we be without Consumer Reports? If OP's can't post reviews, it makes it impossible to determine who the quality providers are for future OP's.
TER is built on the idea that in an industry rife with rip-offs, we can expose the rif-raff and elevate those providers who deliver quality service. If a provider states they have a no review policy I refuse to do business with them.
As for blacklisting OP's that review them, yes, I've heard of more than one provider that will blacklist an OP for posting a bad or mediocre review, but will not blacklist an OP is they post a good review.
If I hear of any provider that does this they won't get my business.
If you deal with people in professional way, give a good service, why not be reviewed ?
The no review policy has always seemed shady to me and in these days of $500 $600 $700... per hour, I really want to know what I'm walking into.
I typically won't see anyone who doesn't have reviews because I want to know what I am going to be able to do when we meet (ie. GFE vs. non-GFE). However, if they already have reviews posted and are now a no review policy person then that is fine.
A little off topic, mirroring another thread currently running, I met a woman who had reviews posted and her website stated that if one was to rate her less than an 8 to please talk to her first about it. I posted a favorable review which was above 8. However, she was so upset with me saying she had a no review policy. Really? She was not being rational and threatened me if I didn't take it down. She ended up getting a new website and if anyone clicked on her old website it directed them to the restaurant chain I managed. Fortunately, it was a chain so it didn't implicate my individual store and she didn't post anything implicating me.
Personally, I just don't need the hassle of pissing a lady off who doesnt want reviews. Sometimes I get asked to write them, but that is very rare these days. If the lady says no or doesnt respond to my request to write one, I take both of those as a hard no.
I think blacklisting should be for only very serious infractions in this world, but if a lady has it written all over her online materials that she is anti-review, and states it to the gent at some point during the meet up or after, I could def understand why she would be angered.
To many new ladies getting in the hobby to make what they think is a quick way to make a lot of money, so they really not trying to give excellent service, it’s all about the money, so if they give terrible service they don’t won’t to be found out, I seen this one provider back in 2018 when TER was down and she was so glad TER wasn’t up anymore, she gave terrible service and charge a lot of money, so fast forward to today, she is no longer escorting, I guess she got to many bad reviews on TER!
as long as they don’t break any laws (which for a business that’s illegal most places in the USA is an interesting concept).
If a provider has a clear, up-front policy on no reviews and the consequences of publishing a review, that’s her prerogative. It’s a quick PASS for me when searching for providers to meet.
from actions on the part of the customer that would be of concern to MOST providers, like rough treatment, chronic tardiness or no-show, stealthing, stiffs, shorts and pressing for off-menu services. Writing a review is only of concern to those other providers who have a no review policy. I prefer to call a single-provider blacklist a "block" but I don't think review writing is something that belongs on a blacklist as there is no harm INTENDED, only an honest presentation of the facts.
There was or is a no-review movement that is ideologically based (whether rationally or not.) I know many providers who oscillate between love hate of reviews. Good reviews are good for biz. It's as simple as that. I had one well known escort who generally campaigned against reviews ask me to post a review. She wasn't plagued with bad reviews, but just thought they were disrespectful. But it was good for biz. Hence her conflicting views.
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Remember guys, we're dealing with chicks where logic and reason go to die. (I kid.)
chicks where logic and reason go to die
We are all not the same & I don’t know when the lady I was referred to as a chick lol. I am a woman with sense.
dollars AND sense, but that's not always the case.
On how bad you want to see said provider. I recently saw a provider who did not want a review, I agreed to it before hand as she had her reasons, no biggie IMO. Now had the service sucked then I definitely would have had to rethink my prior agreement, as that is one fear that us clients have when seeing someone. I generally don't mind someone with a handful of reviews that I can read asking no to be reviewed, I wouldn't see or accept this request from someone with no reviews at all.
What would be your first thought if it were a doctor who told you this?
You would probably want a different doctor.
Same with a restaurant, in fact many people use reviews on yelp etc to find good restaurants to their liking.
Providers get evaluated publicly and because there are already so few safeguards for a client, reviews are like the only tool we have in terms of affecting behavior. If there are no reviews, there is far less incentive for providers to even give a client what they agreed on.
Also, a verbal no-review policy is hardly binding on sites other than ter. You could technically put out a review of anyone on some other sites. But of course this can get you into hot water with provider so I hope no pii hit exchanged there.
To summarize, I just don't think even engaging with such providers is worth it. They could have benign reasons, but with plenty of fish in the sea who do accept reviews, I see very little incentive for clients to see a no-review gal over a regular gal who doesn't want to hide/suppress them.
Now to build a quality network, one must give to get. Cyber friendships are where I always get the best info and tips about a lady. So all is not lost with a provider who does not allow public reviews, as private reviews is where the real truth lies, imo.
Provided all reviews are honest.
So while no doubt networking can be important, I still think no review policy goes strictly against what sites like TER wanted to accomplish, and I would go as far as to say it's pretty anti-monger. Not everyone could afford or have a network.
I honestly can't think of any good reasons a provider who advertises online shouldn't be reviewed in context of her identity/privacy. And even if there's one or two I can't think of, I'll still advise others not to see such providers as to not set bad example for other providers who might want to follow suit. Is it somewhat selfish? Damn right it is.
So I simply think not visiting such providers and advising others to not see them is the way to go for healthy monger evaluations and integrity. For every provider who asks for no review there are twenty who don't. I shouldn't reward weird behavior that locks me from telling others in plural about a bad, average or excellent session. And I hope no other monger rewards them either.
And Ter tends to push for more graphic reviews while other sites I cant mention dont want the "juicy details." I am sure you understand that on some level why a woman may not want reviews for the world to see.
Also, some men feel if guy A gets a certain menu item, they can expect the same sex act in session. Many women dont want those expectations out there and I get that as well.
Personally, I do see women with a no review policy for I trust people I have a long history with back channel over total strangers that are her public reviewers. Just different strokes for different folks kinda thing.
And btw, I dont view it as rewarding THEM...I view it as rewarding ME. lol
I've had a couple of ladies ask for reviews but they did ask that I limit the graphic details. I had no real problem with that and wrote them without a detailed, blow-by-blow description of events.
I was still able to convey the fact that they were both wonderful to be with. I know a number of well-known ladies who have delisted simply because they don't care for the very explicit reviews.
I mean I don't really get that either, besides very extreme cases.
Everyone is an adult, and the service the provider is selling is sexual. So there will be descriptions of sex. Imagine a gynecologist being uncomfortable writing up a report on a woman's vagina. Imagine a janitor being embarrassed when there's a performance review that talks about scrubbing toilets.
I don't know. The internet gives customers an ability to rate pretty much anything that is exchanged for money. A seller cannot really control the tone of his/her customers imo.
I dont know, the comfortable thing isn't convincing to me. A provider who is comfortable with taking dick from strangers and advertising herself taking dick from strangers.. yet uncomfortable with a description of how she took the dick and evaluation of her performance.... eh I dunno. Maybe.
Agreed with different strokes different folks. I don't view a reward for myself being worth it if it encourages behavior that potentially turns people off and may encourage other providers to do it in the long run.
Just one man's opinion here.
I've seen a few ladies across the decades who operated UTR and wanted to stay that way. And just as is the case with high rates and limited menus, if a lady says no reviews on her site, each of us has the freedom to move on to the next lady. No provider "owes" any player anything beyond the service he or she has paid for.
As for blacklists, I don't lose any sleep over those but I suppose again that if a lady tells you she doesn't want any reviews, you see her on that basis (implicitly if not explicitly agreeing) then she should be able to make others know you don't follow simple rules. Whether a blacklist is the right way to do that, I don't know.
And as with any rules, there are exceptions. If a provider is a ROB, she's broken the deal herself. Same if she has completely misrepresented her appearance or service.
Well ok, although I'd argue a provider is hardly UTR if she has a website and advertised on the net actively.
You're right that provider doesn't owe us anything, but we also don't owe provider anything and it's well within our rights to not only see such providers, but also advise others to steer clear of anyone asking for it.
Then we descend into edge cases scenarios. If the provider doesn't say anything about not writing a review right until before the session as you've already arrived and are taking off clothes, what do you do? A lot of guys I assume would factor in the sunk cost and agree.
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Name me one business that does not want 100 + 5 star google reviews. Providers are in a business ( even if many don't realize it ) and TER or other review sights are Google for them. Good reviews are the essential for a business to grow or to simply replace older or retiring customers.
that, as a customer, I'm TOFTT. It is a fact that in a TOFTT session with a girl who has no reviews, my disappointment factor runs about 5-10 times what it is when I have properly researched a girl through her reviews to confirm her session style, demeanor and looks are what I prefer.
so I suppose my "thoughts" on this issue are basically I don't think about it at all.
So, I'll respect a "no review" policy. I've been fortunate that I've met some amazing companions and have had some awesome experiences despite reviews not being available. Not having reviews isn't a "deal breaker" for me.
Anyway, what I find interesting about the question is I've run across a number of companion websites that clearly state a "no review" policy, and in some cases a *strict* policy. That's fine except these same companions will have a TER badge on the home page and in some cases, will post an ad here with a link to their TER reviews.
I sometimes wonder how "strict" the policy really is, in some cases. I do understand views about reviews can change. I personally know a companion who wasn't really into reviews for a while, then wanted to get more posted and has since backed off of that.
If I'm interested in meeting a companion who doesn't want reviews posted, I'm ok with that and I'll respect that.
First of all, you have 90 days after a session to submit your review. So wait until that period is almost up and be sure not to include any details that would alert her as who who's the author. Of course, that won't work if she has your TER handle but you used to be able to review under an alias. Check with TER and see if that's still the case.
There's nothing underhanded about this. You have a right to review her and it's a public service for your fellow members.
I still review some ladies under an alias, so I know it's still possible. Waiting over 60 days is a good idea, too, however, if her ad link no longer works when you submit the review, it will be declined.
I don't get that. If you're worried about writing a review and have to wait that long, just don't write the review. It doesn't really help anyone.
short time where it's not likely that anything has significantly changed regarding the provider. Have you ever seen a review, where the reviewer says, "She looks 60 days older since the last time I saw her," or she's put on 20 pounds since I saw her 60 days ago?" With that said, TER recognizes there can be a "staleness" factor after too much time and so they limit the review period to 90 days. (Except for a promotional period when they came back after being dark for 20 months in 2018-2019 where they allowed a six-month clawback on reviews.) Providers may also be in another city by the time you write the review. (This has happened to me a lot (mostly with touring Kgirls) and I simply review her in the new city and state the city where I saw her in the "general details" section.) The local customers in her new location still appreciate the review because she's the "new" girl to them.
I learned on another website where I was reviewing before TER that lower-volume indies can often figure out which customer the reviewer is if the review goes up quickly before they have seen 15-20 other guys before it goes up. If they guess who you are as a reviewer, and don't like something in the review, they will give you blowback. There have been many threats here on this very topic. By waiting, I can keep my reviews anonymous, and completely honest and straightforward about what happened during the session, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
There are many instances where a review from 60+ days ago may be helpful.
For example in Asian agency world, a lot of girls leave quickly and rebrand, many running from mediocre reviews.
I may not have time to write a bad review on a girl before she bounces for another pasture. Then I find the same girl wihr same pics at another agency. Now if I somehow can make sure it's indeed the same girl, I can then write a review that warns the people at the new pastureof her MO and who she really was.
There's another instance where a girl might not have many reviews or not have many credible reviewer reviews. Hell if I know the reviewer is legit and I trust him, I welcome any reviews by this reviewer. Three month is not the type of time people change drastically unless they get pregnant or other life-changing events. I'd even argue any review within a year can be viewed as a tangible review.
are you saying you only look at recent reviews (good or bad) when evaluating a potential provider?
There’s nothing underhanded about agreeing not to write a review and then turning around and writing that review?
Show me where I said anything about agreeing with her not to write a review. In fact, my assumption was to simply ignore her "no review" policy and then write one.
I'd say "nice try," but it wasn't.
WOW!!!!
How can you say things like this and in the same breath wonder why so many providers want nothing to do with guys like you or the review culture in general.
You sound like a real piece of work. I feel sorry for the women that have the misfortune of meeting you in real life.
But instead of making up utter bullshit about me why don't you go write a review. Alias pussy.
There are providers who post on this board who have seen Nicky and would gladly see him again. Hearing you say this about him makes me laugh at your lack of information about the history of this board and those that have populated it over the years. When it comes to Nicky, grumpy? Yes. Pissy? Yes, but saying the ladies don't like him is completely wrong.
With that said, if Conan says there is something wrong with my grammar, I'm going to be pissed. Lol
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He's just pissed because I shit on him on the boards some time ago. Just check his posting history.
And also consider that chickie, another one of my fans, has now jumped back in just to be sure everyone knows what a reading-challenged weasel he is.
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to be a reasonable and reputable guy. You two should be friends who argue a lot, like you and me. Lol
I was going to say, "Says the guy who edited his post to fix his grammar," but then realized it could be taken seriously here so this watered down version is what you get instead. Haha.
But that was as an aside. What I really wanted to say is, how did you get knighted as Conan the Grammarian?🤓 There's some history there, I don't doubt.
And while it is correct that I edited the above post, it was not to correct any grammar.
I don't even recall how long ago my Conan alter ego emerged but it was many years ago.
Thanks for noticing. You win a bonus meme.
Oh god, you even have a meme! Well done, sort of, not really. Do I dare ask if your alter ego has a crest?
(Your reply, "it was not to correct any grammar," is exactly the line I anticipated when I decided to couch what I said! LOL.)
Conan does have a Crest that he uses to make his teeth sparkle.
The teeth in his mouth or the teeth on his toothy necklace? ... or both?
Conan does have a Crest that he uses to make his teeth sparkle.
You agree to meet a provider with a no review policy, turn around and write a review. Nobody’s putting words in your mouth. Just reading your words back to you.
Kinda fun watching you try to weasel your way out of it.
There's nothing he's weaseling out from.
He told you straight up that it's a monger right to review a provider and share info with fellow mongers. He never explicitly said he's agreeing to not write a review.
"There's nothing underhanded about this. You have a right to review her and it's a public service for your fellow members."
You just seem to tune out every time mongers rights are brought up. Wonder why that is.
First of all, you have 90 days after a session to submit your review. So wait until that period is almost up and be sure not to include any details that would alert her as who who's the author. Of course, that won't work if she has your TER handle but you used to be able to review under an alias. Check with TER and see if that's still the case.
There's nothing underhanded about this. You have a right to review her and it's a public service for your fellow members.
Now, if I see someone who had a "no review" policy and I got ripped off in some capacity, fuck respect.... I'll post a review. However, it will take quite a bit to get me to that point. I've posted one, maybe 2 "rip off" reviews here. Usually, if I have a "less than ideal" experience, I just won't post a review at all and I won't see her again.
"Anyway, what I find interesting about the question is I've run across a number of companion websites that clearly state a "no review" policy, and in some cases a *strict* policy. That's fine except these same companions will have a TER badge on the home page and in some cases, will post an ad here with a link to their TER reviews"
Well, that is to be expected. Some sellers want to benefit from online presence and a subset of reviews (that might have been uh "curated") but don't want any criticism associated with it. In other words, they only want the part of seller online presence that gives benefits to them. And not the part where the seller is evaluated.
Here's a simple troubleshooting guide:
"I don't agree with no review policies"
Clients: only see ladies who have/allow reviews
Providers: stay out of other providers businesses
People are entitled to boundaries, whether you personally agree with them or not. It's not okay to violate a boundary bc you disagree with it. If you see a no review provider and say "oh yeah? I'll show her!" You're a consent violator, period.
This comes from a monger who only sees reviewed providers. No review providers are entitled to that boundary, they just won't get my business.
I'm pretty sure a consumer has the right to tell fellow consumers to not engage with businesses that employ certain strategies and behavior. Or is it also out of this so-called boundary and under the so-called "consent violation"?
Why can't providers criticize other providers policies if they feel like they aren't good policies? Why can't clients criticize providers for policies they find unsound?
the only thing a client has to go on when booking a companion is companion-curated content. Obviously, this is heavily biased!
You mentioned that you screen for compatibility; reviews help clients do the same in a manner that works for clients. Why should compatibility be the sole concern of a companion and not the client as well?
I personally believe that for many hundreds of dollars per hour, we (clients) need to have some idea of what may occur. Reviews offer that insight where Twitter posts do not.
I will respect a "no-review" policy, but by and large I will avoid companions who have them and thus, no reviews. I have personally experienced several instances in which "no reviews" meant the provider offered "poor quality" experiences. Lesson learned.
As far as blacklists go - they are the purview of the provider. If they are abused for such trivial things, I suspect they become far less valuable as a screening tool.
Some reasons for a no-review policy:
* The provider is not GFE
* The provider's performance is inconsistent
* The provider's pictures are not representative of her current looks
* The provider's performance is poor
* The provider is new but is charging premium rates
* The provider has changed her stage name and is re-branding
* The provider doesn't like explicit reviews
* The provider doesn't like having a review under 9/9
* The provider offers 'special services' to preferred clients but not all
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* The provider fundamentally disapproves of women being rated in this way
(review them anyway)
have this policy when they have a few things going on. When just getting started and trying to gather a decent client list... reviews are absolutely needed and dare I say required. Trust etc play an important role in getting good, steady clientele.
Now if a lady already has a good thing going.. then that's up to her to do away with her reviews and or begin to not accept them.
So in short... a no review policy is fair for those who it works for.