I really thought from reading all of the posts over the years I had a clear understanding of the difference.

But after a multi-day diatribe trying to understand how a Minnesota gal (Hilary Holiday) could "suddenly" be earning NOTHING but 10/10's, I'm not sure I know the differences any more.  Oh...I have a definite understanding of how HH is "earning" those scores...that's NOT what is in question anymore.

Why would a WK/mangina keep on replying to a question(s) with the same reply...over and over and over?  And only saying "I'm not taking the bait".  What is the point in replying to anything in that regard?

And really...if a guy is going to WK for a gal, shouldn't it be expected that he actually has something to say to defend her?  That's the conundrum.  

So folks...mangina or WK?

A WK has balls, a mangina does not.

I don't care to take a side in the case you bring up.  It's just drama, yuck...stay away from me kind of stuff.

I am an equally opportunity WK for girls that have made me smile.

-- Modified on 8/19/2012 11:23:52 AM

Now white knighting on occasion does not a mangina make, but constantly white knighting, even when the facts don't support it, like in the PMAshley thread, definitely does.

Many mangina's are simply harmless, though pussy whipped. The WhiteKnights feel the need to assert their manhood by riding off to defend the honor of some hooker who almost certainly deserves the bashing she is getting.

I am speaking of course in the most general of terms, you, I and several others could be accused of white knighting for London in regards to her stalker, but in our defense the evidence is pretty clear that he IS a stalker and deserving of our contempt.

In the case of PMAshley and her supposed "bogus" review, the evidence is far from clear, if anything the evidence would lead an unbiased reader to believe the reviewer,  I know I do. but that hasn't stopped several white knights from stepping up to defend her, even those who admit to never having had a date with her. Those are the WK's of the worst kind, they just want to be seen as a "good guy" in the eyes of a bunch of prostitutes, almost all of which wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

IMO a mangina is simply a pussy, a White Knight is a pussy with his chest puffed out.

Oh I agree on the mangina's being harmless.  We've seen them plenty of times on the GD board...but more so on the local boards.  No problems with those guys from where I'm sitting.

But if you looked at the thread I attached I was wondering what the consensus on uptonogood11 was.

FWIW I pictured this character being Stewie from Family Guy riding in on Brian with the oversized "Darth Vader" helmet falling over himself.  The guy was pretending to be a WK...not quite the mangina, although his prior posts clearly fall into YOUR mangina definition.

And considering the number of PM's I received from the local Minny guys who really wanted to see HH try and defend this question...well, the results were obvious to me as to the lack of being able to defend her.  But then she apparently doesn't have the types of Knights she thought she had  LOL

Do we have any estrogen cleanser left in the TER supply room?  They need a boat load of it on the Minny board  LOL

Nice guy, but doesn't have the balls to stand up to his wife and say, "Listen girl...I want to watch Football with my buddies, you take your chic flicks to a different room, or you can watch it after the game is over...This is LIVE SPORTS, and movies can be watched at any time..."

To me that's a mangina... Irritates the hell out of me.

Or when he says over and over he isn't taking the bait, it's like poking the wild animal in a cage.

Kinda turning the tables on the stir stirrers to see them going more crazy.

It takes two crazy people to continue a dead-ended thread.  Have been on one side of this many times, as one of the crazy people before one of us finally had the last word.  

And too many guys/gals confirmed my suspicions on why this guy was doing the WK and HH was getting those 10/10's.  We've seen that crap before, and I'm sure we'll see that crap again.

And you hit the nail on the head...I just kept on prodding ole uptonogood.  But he always came back to play in another part of the thread.  So it was amusing to watch him try and move around to avoid the questions.  But he kept on taking the bait.  Funny...most people are so predictable  LOL

So do you know where TER is keeping the "mangina repellent"?  It's also captioned as "WK repellent".  I'm guessing that GaG is busy with some hot chicas and just can't get to it right now!

and I agree that a string of 10/10 reviews for a woman that must be fifty is hardly believable, even Edrienne Cole has a 9 within her last half dozen reviews.

Dont get me wrong, I think HH is a very lovely woman for her age, and if her pictures are accurate I might even give her as high as an 8, but an entire page of solid 10/10s? no fucking way.

but if you can find that lost can of WK repellent, just give it to me and I'll be happy to spray it right in UTNG's face.

And you know if you threw an 8 HH's way...and she had your real info...well, that seems to be the common thread from quite a few of those 10/10 reviewers.  

And I thought the Queen of BSC was in ChiTown.  These two might have the market cornered on BSC  LOL

Nah...there's a few more out there as well...or so I hear!

A mangina is a guy who let's providers walk all over him, he doesn't have any self confidence, to ever disagree or say "No" to a provider.

Whereas a WK just feels the need to defend a provider because he feels they are "cool with each other". WK's tend to be more outspoken and try to play more of a "tough guy" role.

Just my view on it, both suck if you ask me

There is no such thing as a monopoly on BSC, rofl

As for HH, I just don't see myself ever being drunk enough to book with woman of her advanced years. and I said I "might" give her as high as an 8, Unless she really does look a "Lot" better than her pics, which does happen, but it's a rarity, that would be the absolute "highest" score I could possibly give her.

The good news is, we have now protected ourselves from ourselves. IF we were ever to get drunk enough to book with her, there would be no way she would ever agree to see us now. See how well this shit works out. lol

and White Knights have "faux" balls.

and don't you just love internet tough guys?

She would never know me from my board persona.

She did seem to like to flirt in her PM to me the other day.  She kept alluding to "fuck"...but I would have had to have moved some words around to make it fun  

But I'm with you on that.  If I want to fuck old gals....no need to drop a nickel to do so.  Frankly....they would need to pay me  LOL

And you know what else...there are some really nice gals in that 50+ range that I know quite well.  BUT, we are just pals and so forth.  And guess what else...they're not out there pretending to be something they're not.  I have a shit load of respect for those ladies.

I find that humorous as I like to get into the debate side of this crap.  And of course, it takes some work to get some of these posters to get into the swing of it.

The really funny part is that on so many occasions, those same guys/gals that I am perceived to be fighting with are, in many cases, friends.  Sure, friends on an internet fuck board...but people that are willing to explore that there are differing ways to see a problem.

The impetus for this thread was to see if others saw the way uptonogood11 handled his mangina/WK was interesting, or predictable...or pathetic.

I'm still not sure I see a clear differentiation with this type of poster....perhaps old utng would care to join the party.  But he needs to comment more than "I'm not taking the bait"  LOL

I'd also love to see HH's POV.  She started to actually expound on her narcissism before she apparently had TER pull the thread.  How about it HH...can you tell me how you can inexplicably have gotten so "gorgeous" that every guy (in one month alone LOL) saw you as a 10/10?  Especially since you had been getting the 7's and 8's just a couple of years ago...and that seems to be on target!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFIAVAPDX0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And add a few BSC providers and what do we have then?

A cluster fuck?  LOL

What the hell happened this past week to fan the drama flames?   Seems pretty childish to me, but then of course I'm a TER newbie - perhaps it's a drama cycle?

Let it rest.

I want to challenge your assertion that she was getting 7s and 8s just a couple of years ago.  If you go back and look she has been getting pretty consistent 8s 9s and 10s for about 5 years.  Now I admit that the string of 10-10s is hard to believe (and that would be true of any provider), but I can see how a providers performance can get better over time.  And I know from my experience that my opinion of a providers looks goes up a little if she is blowing me away with her performance.

What kind of a stroke are you?   Are you really that bored that you bounce around from board to board.  
                Do you have anything positive to contribute here ?
If I gave a shit what you had to say I would tell you.   Is your  Boy friend out of town?   You are an embarrassment to the Men of Chicago.  You must of never been popular  with the ladies and this is the only way you can get a women.  I call a spade a spade and you really are the biggest Ass ! I have ever seen on TER   You should really be proud of yourself.

The label BSC is applied too easily, "normal" is boring and "sane" is overrated. -e-

-- Modified on 8/19/2012 7:40:28 PM

And if you aren't interested...switch to another channel.

It's quite simple...many others do

Guess you had trouble reading my header.."board bully"

Looks like you want to join the club considering how derogatory and inflammatory YOUR post is.

No sweat...plenty of room.  

And if you don't like my posts...many have already pointed out that TER has added the ignore feature.  I suggest you brush up on the TER options available to you.

Or did I simply embarrass your girlfriend and this is your way of joining her WK's brigade?  If so....get with her program  LOL

I assume you gave her a 10/10 as well?

that those gals get their notoriety

But even then...you know guys will still shill that they're banging the # 1 rated BSC gal in "name that town"  

But from what I hear crazy sex can be fun...at least till she doesn't get her 10/10 scores...and then look out Nellie  

Yea....5 years ago she was getting 7's and 8's in appearance...as I originally said.  I can't imagine she got TER to change those scores in the past day or so up to something else...nope, still there.

And that was when she was, according to her TER page 45 or so.  So now add the 5 years and that puts her at 50 in TER years.  In real years...somewhere between 50-60.

I agree that fellas can be mesmerized by a gals complete performance.  But to strong arm guys over and over into ridiculously inflated scores (and many many have confirmed this via PM and back channel...including fellas that were "afraid" of her wrath to NOT give her those scores)...as you point out the "trend" is so ridiculous that is is laughable.

But I suspect that there are more where she came from...and many fellas know who these others are as well.

But the whole gist of the thread was to define mangina/WK.  Therein lies the problems with this whole system.  Pussies who are pussy whipped to kow tow to providers for "favors".  And if not a favor...then they are threatened.  

So as others have commented publicly, and privately there is NO doubt as to the authenticity of these reviews.  Few take them with any sincerity.  But she'll continue on her trek to TER stardom.  And at some point enough of those same reviewers will flip on her...once they get their private info "sorted out".

IMHO, it's unlikely that when there's a long string of successive 10/10s, that most of them are fake or White Knights. I also believe, however, that those types of scores are actually deserved. Instead, it seems that reviewers feel an obligation to give like ratings. It's an unfortunate trend and a disservice to the whole rating system. As an example, here's a 10/10 review where the guy clearly had a disastrous and even painful session but still felt obliged to give a 10/10 rating.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/showReview.asp?Review=1277574

Yes it seems pretty common for ladies appearance scores to improve over time.  But instead of talking about ladies you know nothing about, lets talk about ones you have seen.  One lady to whom you have a 10 for appearance didn't get a 10 in her first ten reviews.  Then she started to get a few mixed 10's and just now has an unbroken string of fourteen!  That's pretty close to seventeen, which, according to you,  is theoretically impossible.  

Then there is another lady to whom gave a 10 in appearance that has gotten mostly 7's and 8's in ten plus reviews since.  And just prior to your visit, she picked up a 6!  How can this be?  And how can it be that you are not trying to fix the obvious failing of the system?

Actually you seem to give a lot of 10's for appearance in my opinion.  And how about doubles?  What are the odds that BOTH ladies on a doubles date get a 10 for appearance?  Or is your scoring system additive?  

What this points out is that this whole charade of yours is not about what you claim.  I don't what your problem is, but do know that I'm tired of your act.  Please go away.

Nope...you tried to "drum up" support for your gal HH.

Didn't do too well...sorry  

And if you actually have some time...do a search using my handle on the GD board and go back about a year and read my posts regarding how I would write reviews (at that time).  I'll save you the time...I commented on a number of threads that anyone should deduct 2 (two)...that's 2 (two) points on the appearance scores on most of the gals that I had seen.

My rationale then, as it is now, is that most gals are nice looking.  But to truly be a "10"...just how often in life do we actually see one?

I wasn't going to go back and change ALL of my reviews as TER didn't allow that without a recent session to corroborate the changes.  But you can also see that I have NOT reviewed anyone in over a year.  That is NOT an accident.

And the gals that I have seen...again, top gals in ChiTown and Nationally.  All very nice ladies...but again none are truly that "once in a lifetime"....based on only MY criteria!!

As GaGambler commented earlier, Hillary is on her best day (if we're comparing her to the TOP gals) is a 7...maybe an 8?  And that is using her heavily photoshopped pictures.

Any more questions?

I guess you just see what you want to see.  5 years ago she was getting 7s and 8s and 9s and 10s.  By the end of 2007 she was a fairly consistent 9-9 with a few 8s and 10s thrown in.  I think a fair person would say she was getting 9s 5 years ago.

So your scores are all bogus, and yet you spend all day railing about the scores of others?  Maybe they'll print a retraction one day too.  And then all will be right with the world.

Some guys look at the gals after a while and understand what this is all about.  Others are just fucking thrilled that someone will actually fuck them.

YOU are one of those that will give anyone that is breathing a 10/10.  If you read my comments...or better yet, took the time to read what I wrote on this topic....oh, then I'm expecting you to actually read.  Sorry

Was that slow enough for YOU?

You can try as hard as you like to "manipulate" the scores to meet your expectations.

And readers can do the same if they are interested in seeing HH.

But many guys who have been around a bit know that review scores are virtually meaningless.  PM's and back channel is the most reliable method of determining who you will really see.

And the scores of back channel info on this gal speaks to an OK looking gal that is north of 50.

Is this fair?  

Just ask YOURSELF when was the last time you saw some gal who had a number of higher scores...and left wondering just what gal the reviewer actually saw.  That's the intel on your beloved HH.  You don't need to buy it...as only those who are really seeking the truth will open their eyes.

The others...just will change their knee pads every once in a while  LOL

Actually I have never given a 10-10.  No retractions hidden anywhere either.  

And no I will not read all of your bombast in this or any other thread.  

Re: Guess you had trouble reading my header.."board bully"

Man up already you made a point but how much time and energy you put into this  makes me really wonder what kind of a man you are ?
       Do you really even like women because you sure do not have any respect for them to  launch a multi -
day attack like this.  It is getting old and what is your motive ?  
Where you the boy that got turned down by every girl you asked out  I bet you were and easy to see why.
   You have no class at all pal none ! I have never see HH not that it is any of your business but there is just to much trash on TER  time to take yourself out. Maybe  you should hookup with your boy  FilthyMcNasty  and 69 each other then write a review on each other. Maybe when you get to your 200th session write another review and see if all your hard work that you love so much has paid off  may be you to could be a 10/10  LOL !!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing hidden here either.  No alias.  No rhetoric I don't own up to.

So either go and do some fucking homework...or STFU!

Get back on your pony...head back to the Land of 1,000 lakes...and kiss back up to HH.  She'll love that you failed in your quest  LOL

Sure hope she doesn't have YOUR personal info.  If so...sorry  

Just ask nogood....he's probably in the dungeon now!

You should only know who and what is out there.

Perhaps one day you'll understand that some things need to be brought out in the open.

The guys that are being coerced....the gals that are being threatened.  

If you had some balls you might just do a little homework.

Or sit and complain...that you seem to be VERY good at.

Thank God this is more of an anomaly.  But when this crap happens to YOU...you'll wonder why no one "warned" you that this does exist.  

And just in case you care...it has not yet happened to me...nor do I plan on putting myself in that type of a position.  Yet...in this corner of nirvana, one can never be too cautious.

Stay safe and play smart  

I'm not manipulating anything.  I just see someone starting out 5 years ago getting good scores (7s and 8s) and rather quickly (within 6 months) I see that they improve to mostly 9s.  My experience with TER scoring is that it is somewhat inflated overall and it has been getting worse over the years.  I think that is partly what has happened with HH's scores - she probably is a 9-9.  

As far as back channel info, I really don't see how you can rely on that unless you have previously gotten reliable info from the person sending it.  Even then, they might have an ax to grind.

I got more Balls than you have ever seen and if I fuck up in this hobby I have just one person to blame myself . I do not have to go out and make a multi-day bitch about it like you.
Complain if that's what you call it you see I just have no respect for guys like you got it
You are not going to change the world any more then I am life's about choices good or bad and we all make them.  I do my home work  and make my own choices as to the guys that are being coerced....the gals that are being threatened. If they do not have the street smarts to deal with this hobby they should find a new one. And bitch to someone who gives a shit. You really like to beat a dead horse and do you really think it serves a useful purpose.  The rant you are so into is not going to stop guys from going to see the lady any way. So seems like a waste of time and energy  and does not make us Chicago guys look good  to others in the TER community.  You have every right to comment about what ever but don't make us here look bad in the process.

Could this be where all that anger comes from?

And certainly not from ChiTown!

Care to open up sweetie?  Now's your chance using an alias to tell me about all those 10/10's.

Care to play?

My fists would love to met your girly man face any time hows that you little punk ASS BITCH !

Sorry, I meant to say that it's UNLIKELY that most of such reviews are deserved.

Just take a deep breath and chill. What could possibly cause you such anger that you would feel the need to post on multipe boards puttting down ANYBODY over the entire course of a weekend if not longer and how much of yoru owqn personal time have you invested into this? Get over it ... that kind of anger is gonna kill you .... just relax.