Isn't it easier and more cost-effective for a provider to screen someone than a security guard?

I would think that most of us would rather not have a security guard standing at the door, although I did meet a provider who had a "body guard" hidden in the closet; I found out after the fact.

I know some screeners. They do check out blacklisted violent clients and some even rob providers.

Really, screening is a very important part of this hobby; many providers take it seriously. I would never bitch about it.

Well, you could always give your information ONCE to Preferred411, DateCheck, RoomService, etc and this would take care of your references.

Yes, you would probably have to see a lady who is on one of those sites to verify you, but I also believe one of these sites does it off of personal info.  
These resources are not as prominent in the Southern Calif area as they are in the mid-states and east coast!

Happy Hunting!

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in fact I'd say that most don't, but anyways they would be of little use were she to run into LE; what's she going to do, shoot it out with them?

Each gal decides what level of safety she wants and you just have to live with that.

My advice is to give lots of personal information to some very well reviewed gals that you won't have to worry about and then see them and now you will have references for the future.

It may seem like a hassle, but most of us find that it is the right way to do things.

So I found a provider through TER that seemed to fit the bill of what I'm looking for and I went to contact her, but it turned out she requires two references before meeting someone.

Ok, safety is a concern, I understand that. But isn't that what drivers/guards are for? She's independent and priced normally for someone of her looks/performance/age. It's not like she couldn't afford to hire help.

Maybe it's a regional thing. This is the third city I've lived in and the first one where I've seen this. While I haven't done much actual hobbying here these last four years (two girls, one was visiting) I've done research on others and she's the second established local girl who insisted on this intrusive kind of screening. For one thing, I don't *have* any references since it's been years since I've done this and all those girls have moved on. But that's not even the point.

Check to see I'm not LE, fine. Check that I'm not on something, don't have something, am unarmed, and that my hygiene is good, OK. None of this is guaranteed through references though.

I understand that, theoretically, references would be like reviews of clients from people the provider knows. But, again, a security person does a better job of preventing a bad experience for a provider than a reference.

You bring the guard in with you, because nothing says sexy like a giant man in the corner watching us fuck.  That way you don't really need to screen, especially since the giant man in the corner is carrying assault weapons.

I have an incall and require references.  The requirement for references is for SAFETY.  It is to make sure you are a fun and safe gentleman behind closed doors.  It isn't just about LE.  A referece provides another gals experience with you behind closed doors. Were you respectful, on time, clean, on and on so be thankful she asks as any one can have you come right over and usually they could be:
bait and switch
cash and dash
LE
on and on

so a gal asking for refereces is for everyone's safety and has NOTHING to do with a driver.

Better than telling a lady, or us, what a she should be doing or not doing.

LE check? Really? No such thing exists.

Security? WTF good will he do me once the door is closed? In the old days, those guys were called pimps. Thanks but no thanks.

And you really think just wanting the name of a lady you have seen is intrusive?? Seriously?? Asking you for your SSN is intrusive. Wanting to verify that you hobby safely BEFORE the door is closed is not.

I realize you say you've hobbied before, and that its been a few years. I can't help but wonder which street corner was your hot spot back in the day?

when I have my own car and a guard is going to be completely useless once I am behind doors with a lunatic, hence the need for screening and/or references. Also it woould make most of my regular clients very uncomfortable to know that someone is sitting outside their home waiting for me.
I understand that some men are uncomfortable giving screening info and some do not have references. Most of us will work with someone with no references as long as your screening info verifies. If this particular provider doesn't wish to do so, then move on and find someone else.

I'm quite sure you look at a girl reviews to make sure she bascially up to your standards as far as not being a rip off, bad attitude, what she do and don't do, how she perform behind close doors. Now who can tell you all this? Yes, her reviewers! Same thing go for us wanting 2 references because unlike you guys we ladies don't have a score board for guys only with the exception of us finding out if he has been place on the blacklist. We find out from each other what make you happy and we also tell what makes us happy like if he love to cuddle vs ram bam thank you mam type of guy. When getting a reference about you is basciaclly saying you're a okay dude to see. We go off words of legit women. As far as security and having a body guard, how would you honestly feel? Safer or more caution about hearing stories of ladies security manhandling the gentlmen for services he didn't get or service that wasn't worth it but still had to pay? Not all us lady have bodygurds especially those who travel. We rely on words!!!

This is only my .02 cent and I hope it help for you to see how being inform keep us from possible danger situations.

Also, keep in mind that not all ladies are visiting someone for a quick appointment.  When you are going to spend an entire evening with someone or go out to dinner, it helps to check with other ladies he's seen recently to make sure he's polite, clean, respectful, etc.  I dont think the bodyguard would really fit in at a fine restaurant.

Security is NOT better at preventing a bad experience.

Many providers don't fell a security guy is a benefit.  In a lot of ways he can be a risk and a hinderance, especially if she has a "real" job.  The drive/security would know more about her than she would like, and is an expence many of them care not to have (it's amazing how guys' projections of what the typical women makes is so far off).

Also, a driver is NO protection vice Vice, the more common concern (not the most serious) for most providers.

A driver does nothing to reduce the risk that you are a jerk, too rough, don't respect boundaries, will become an overly clinging stalker type of guy, etc.  If security guy has to be brought in it requires communication (not always possible), requires the ability to react quickly (let's say it's a key-required elevator trip to a room on the 15th floor, what's the reaction time?), and it makes a scene (rarely good and only OK when it prevents something worse).

Good references (they aren't all good) are not perfect but they're the best tool out there.

then it seems like you should make sure the lady has a bodyguard and he will be present in the room while you do your thing, not my cup of tea. I would much rather see a well reviewed lady and give her the information that she needs to feel safe in my company ALONE.

That's a great idea.   Lol.  Just kidding.    Ick!

1 reference then in no time you will be able to see those who require two.

Nothing makes me more secure than to hear from a Lady the man I asked about is a Gentleman and Legit
Most gals are independant check their own refs drive themselves from place to place. Theres no staff of employees, lol
Besides she and her security can all go directly to jail do not pass go if she didn't check you out and you were LE.

Its NOT all about you and your needs ya know. You read reviews you know for the most part shes safe and legit why do you not feel she deserves the same sense of security in seeing you Theres already a great deal of risk involved in general in this business, she wants to feel as secure as she can be in the first place.
Go and get yourself approved through P411 or date-check and that should help. You have to bend a bit here.

...you're unarmed and clean doesn't mean you're a pleasure to be around, or even nice for that matter

if you don't want a provider to check any references you have, then don't see her - hunt around for someone who doesn't check references (they are out there)

but coming here and bitching about how some ladies choose to run their operaton seems silly

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OMG I loved this like mad!!! That was the funniest thing I've read in quite some time, hilarious. Really!!
Kelly

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"I understand that, theoretically, references would be like reviews of clients from people the provider knows. But, again, a security person does a better job of preventing a bad experience for a provider than a reference."

If the lady has a driver or body guard she isn't independent.  (yea it's her brother who drives for her.)
I won't see a lady who dosen't reqire references. I don't want to have an economic desicusion with a fucking pimp, lifestyle talks with LE, meet judges and lawyers. The requirements for a reference is for my protections as well as hers. Good chance I'm dealing with lady who is smarter than a box of rocks. If she check my references on P411 she will know what kind of a client to expect at the door. Both of us can feel safe. she knows she will receive her donation up front, that I'm well groomed and always polite.

Look, Sins, I don't know what's going on or why you're upset, but I also don't understand your last remark. I guess you're implying that either working the street or cruising the street is bad enough to be insulting? I just think either intended meaning is weird on a site with a large population of both groups.

Maybe it was the "hell" in the subject line that started this thread on the wrong foot, but I thought the tone of my post was at most confused or maybe culture-shocked. Nowhere did I say she, or other providers, were bad people for this business practice. And I didn't post to bitch about it, I honestly wanted to know what the deal was.

In the other cities I've lived in (Detroit and NYC) references were never an issue, and the presence of a driver was the norm for outcalls, regardless of the girl's affiliation. And as with incalls, her phone always rang when there was about 10 minutes left and she'd tell the caller that everything was fine. Who is she talking to if not some form of backup? And yes, that was even the case with the very clearly independent girls I've seen.

But to be clear, this particular provider requires all of the following beforehand:

* 2 references
* Full name
* Cell number
* Work number
* An ID from one of these sites: TER, Date-Check, Preferred-411, RS2000

Anyway, I'm still not convinced of the value of references, but obviously it's not my decision and entirely hers. My apologies to those who were upset or exasperated by my post.

LMFAO!!! (eom)

Even if a guy does have P411, Datecheck or whatever, I still check the refs. References are for my safety as well as the gent I am with!! I do not sway from that! I am so sorry if it offends anyone but I WILL NOT take that chance. Most Gentlemen respect that and if they dont have refs, they can use a reputable srevice/agency that I will gladly take a ref from.
Hugs and kisses
TL

Many providers, but not all, do not require references as long as you have the other pieces of information in your list. Your work information needs to be checked out.  Some may even do a background check on you.

As for the provider calling someone to check in. That person could be her screener or a provider friend.

Okay the reason a smart lady alway's get's references. Is to make sure   we are all safe !!  I want to alway's feel safe. And no most women in this industry can't afford  someone to  protect them or drive them around. Like me I'm sure the money goes to pay the bill's !! The truth is if I had that kind of money I would not be doing this !!!  References  are to protect  us both.  You should be very careful seeing a women that does not ask for a reference's !!  Being smart goes a long way in this hobby!!

*Just to clarify* I am in Detroit. References are ABSOLUTELY utilized here..I have never met ONE girl who uses a driver. Anyone who does NOT ask for references, doesnt care about herself, and most certainly doesnt care about YOU. Play safe people

I absolutely agree with you and do the same!

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How do we know if a provider is okay with being used as a reference?  What if we give a reference, and when that reference is checked, the answer is "who the hell told you to call me???"

How do providers know who's really contacting them for a reference? How would they know it's not a girlfriend, wife, or even LE?

they all have to be reviewed and have a website. The Lady looking for the reference contacts the lady ivin the reference. Her number and email contact info is on her website.
that way she does her research on you and your reference all in one shot. Mny times they know of or even know onwe another personally or professionally.  Most providers have no problem with giving references, they all share information. Its not the cat fighting warzone many think it is. They watch each others backs with safe references. If someone was to et arrested, it usually makes the rounds via the rapevine and most would know about it.

Guards/driver can't help in every sitch. Don't like her screening?......Then pick someone else.
She's only letting a stranger into her space & most private area...How dare she want to check criminal databases for your name to see you aren't a child molestor puppy kickin rapist convict roaming free due to a bleeding heart judge.
99% of us just want to show ya a good time & could care less about ruining your picket fence american illusion with your frigid wife, mini van, mid management TPS report job, and ungrateful fake yuppie allergy having kids.
Really sugars.
Seriously. We don't fall in love with you and stalk you, quit being such white washed nerds.

But to be clear, this particular provider requires all of the following beforehand:

* 2 references
* Full name
* Cell number
* Work number
* An ID from one of these sites: TER, Date-Check, Preferred-411, RS2000

I would pass on the provider. She should accept a cell and an ID from one of these sites: TER, Date-Check, Preferred-411, RS2000.

Thats why we join the sites and are checked out. That the part that protects us. To P411 I'm known as a number code and an email. No other information is on file or stored. Use a throw away cell and I'm UTR. If she's requires more then I gone.


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all you have to do is ask them during the date. "Will you provide a reference?" The provider calling for the reference will check out the lady she is calling if she is a professional. Sometimes I ask if they had any problem with my references or p-411. Have been told they only knew or trusted 4 out of the 6 ladies showing in p-411 or no everything was fine. p-411 has a raw rating system for clients. Basic, Basic-1, Basic 2 ... Basic-99. A girl who sees you can ok you on p-411 and probably will if you ask and are a gentlemen.  Some ladies accept Basic-2 and that is there ref. check. Others email the ladies who have approved you.

A reference service is a valuable tool, and no I don't work for one. Just makes life easy and safer all around.

CLearly, if this thread demonstrates anything it's that paranoia runs both ways between clients and providers. Clients are rightly concerned that their activities are easily verified by girlfriends, wives, employers and LE. Providers are rightly concerned that they're not dealing with thugs. As I see it, the views of both sides need to be acknowledged and respected if any business between the two can be conducted. I for one have no problem checking on "criminal databases", but I do worry that information regarding my activity with an escort might be available to anyone for the asking.

Can anyone help assure me that my information is protected from publicity?

A life is a beautiful thing.

My hobbying days in Detroit (my home town) were between 95 and 99, so it was also quite a different era.

Thanks, I'll keep all of that in mind.

It's not the "risks" that prompted my questions, it was that security seemed like it would be more useful than references. There's been something of a sea change while I've been inactive, and it confused me.

He is outside. I am inside experiencing whatever bad scene that might be happening to me. He might come back and cause trouble later but...

I found a  provider on CV usually a safe bet since most link to Ter. Well after a volley of emails she tells me that she only accepts references from Hx and you must have an acct there to pm her.  While it may be easier to screen from a familiar system, Like Ter White list, references are references. If you want the green do the time and check them out. If you have special conditions State them in your Ad! I hear all the time how Gents waist a providers time well  stop wasting mine!

I would be scared out of my mind to see someone that has no references and wouldn't verify by work info. I do understand how this is difficult for some hobbyist especially "first timers". But I would say a necessary.