I agree if you and I go to a club, mall, beach, etc. we will see plenty of women that we rate as 10s. Or maybe you will say 8 and I will say 10, or the other way around.
Our 10 in those situations is probably different than TER's 10. TER has asked us not to give out 8-10 like candy. We are on TER's playground, and they would like us to play by TER's rules.
I agree that it is in the eye of the beholder, but it is not that simple. It is in the eye of the beholder WITHIN TER's definitions. A TER 9 is model material, which means that woman could go work as a model. A 10 means ONCE in a lifetime (now ONE in a million).
Looking at your five reviews, you gave two providers a 10. Unless you have lived two lifetimes or you have been with two million providers, right away you are outside of TER's definitions.
You gave two of the other providers 9s. I have not met these women...can you tell me at the time you met them, that they could both get modeling jobs? Appear in a magazine? Make a living as a model? If not, you are outside of TER's definitioins, and you are diluting the value of your reviews.
I am willing to guess that if I could meet all five of the women you reviewed, I could meet several just as beautiful at the three places I mentioned at the beginning of this post. Which means they are not once a lifetime nor one in a million, and probably not able to work as models. I am not trying to be harsh to you or those women, I am just putting things into perspective of TER's descriptions.
If I may give a different example, I once served on a jury. The charge was related to a man that got into an altercation with his girlfriend. There was also a gun involved, but no witnesses. I forget the specific charge, but we as the jury were instructed exactly what that specific charge meant and we had to decide guilty or not guilty WITHIN that definition. Did we think the boyfriend was a creep? Yes. Do we think they got into a fight? Yes. Do we think he owned a gun? Yes. Here is the important part: Do we think he commited the specific crime of which he was charged beyond a reasonable doubt? No. We were asked to play by the rules of the court, and he was found not guilty.
It's not simply your definition of a 10. It's TER's definition of a 10.
For you to have five reviews, with two models and with two once in a lifetime, you must be one lucky guy, or not staying within TER's definitions. The more 10s you give, the less I trust your reviews.
I have been with gorgeous women, and I loved the way they looked...but they were not model material and they were not once in a lifetime, so they recieved an 8. Which means really hot and that is a great compliment.
How about something remotely approximating the truth in ratings?
Just read a new review. Appearance was given a "10". Fine, except I've seen this same provider multiple times during the same period. Not only does she not even remotely approach a "once in a lifetime" or "model material" rating for appearance, I'd be hard pressed and very generous to give her an "8, really hot" when she's carrying around at least 25 extra pounds recently on a small frame, with just so-so saggy boobs and stretch marks like there's no tomorrow. Cute face, yes. Model material or "once in a lifetime", not even close.
Now, she's earned every bit of her high attitude and performance ratings. A true sweetheart who's attitude keeps me coming back for repeat visits when I've had several "one and dones" with several other truly great looking providers and civies worthy of the 8 and higher rtings during the same recent period. As long as things don't become too familiar with her, as that's when I've noticed the service drops off, and know this reviewer has also noted as well (in posts, not the review) when this "ATF" of his was a NCNS for him, and gets lazy with returning calls and shows up later and later as time goes on, which I've also experienced with her.
But, when guys are looking for strictly sex with a knockout provider, these bs "I think I'm in love, so I'll give her a 9 or 10" ratings aren't doing much of anyone any good. Least of all the woman when a guy thinking he's going to get a knockout gets a mommy of 3 with bod to show for her efforts, and then walks out on her (has happened to this great woman). Hard to take for a woman when you take off your clothes for a man, and he walks out on you.
One might consider this subjective and dependant upon each persons tastes, but I'll be damned if I can remember a time when I ever saw a 5'1" and 130 lb victoria's secret or playboy model with saggy boobs.
Rate the girls honestly. There are plenty of us out there who will favor a "6-average appearance" or "7, attractive" with a great attitude, service, and skills over a 9 or 10 that offers "average" or "nice time" type performance ratings. I swear, some of these guys must have only seen Rosie O'Donnell types naked before entering the hobby. Or providers are giving out free blowjobs in return for the promise of bs ratings.
I will continue to see this nice woman for her great qualities, would highly recommend her to others, and can even accept a drop off in customer service that comes with over familiarity as has happened, but someone looking for a "knockout" and who could care less about her social skills is going to leave disappointed, and leave a nice woman with possibly hurt feelings in their wake over love sick puppy bullshit reviews like this one.
It's the difference between objective and subjective. You want objective and I submit to you that where sex is concerned it's difficult, if not impossible. We cannot separate ourselves from our experience, so the results are skewed.
A 10 point system that relies a pre-determined set of criteria is flawed from the git-go. I wouldn't look for perfection in a system that's as basic as this one. And for some guys an average looking girl might be a once in a lifetime for them. It becomes a sliding scale as they get more experience, but some guys dig average looking chicks with a little extra something-something here or there.
I know what I like, but I am not rating on the victoria secret scale.
A nice smile on a "cute face" with a good personality will definitely bring up a girls appearance.
It's to each his own here.
And no one has ever offered me a free anything for a good review.
I prefer women who are curvy and voluptuous. Call me crazy, but stretch marks I find sexy. Rail thin women are a serious turn-off to me. Several providers are given 9 or 10 on appearance from every reviewer who's seen them, while I'd give more of a 6 or 7 as they're just not my type. To each his own in this business. Stop looking at what other reviewers gave for appearance. Instead, look at the pics and make up your own mind.
Shame on you SIR...SHAME ON YOU!!
Every man does not have unrealistic expectations about how we look. Most men are into REAL WOMEN. There are plenty of girls here who have had 10's of thousands of dollars worth of work done to them. I don't have anything against getting any work done. To each her own.
I have an issue with your blasting your girl....and her reviewer...obviously when it gets down to her performance she is doing the damn thing....but you won't give her kudos for that because she IS REAL? SHAME ON YOU SIR.
If you are so worried about your provider’s boobs and stretch marks....THEN ASK HER IF YOU CAN FOOT THE BILL FOR HER TO GET A BODY TUCK, AND A BOOB JOB!!!!
Way too early for this here BS!!!
Shame on me? "Blasting" this girl? Hardly. Just the opposite. As I said, she keeps me coming back, and I think she's great. I'm not hung up on looks and perfect unrealsitic bods. But I'm not everyone, and many guys are looking for that. Guess the intent of the post went right over your head. Some of us do value attitude over looks.
Same general thought goes for guys rating real lookers as "once in a lifetime" in performance and attitude simply because she's great looking. Looks and performance ratings are two seperate things, and unrealistically skewing one because of another is not only dishonest, it leads to disapointment for the guys, and rejection for the ladies, and THAT was the point. Sorry you missed it.
The OP is complaining that inflating the scores doesn't help anyone. Personally, I think that if a customer is buying something, he should get what he wants. That doesn't mean that he should be allowed to do crazy shit, but he should be able to get what's advertised. If the reviews are provided as a guide (i.e. are the photos accurate?), then inflating the numbers doesn't help anyone in the long term.
IMHO, if a guy likes an older lady with some natural sag & stretch marks, so be it. It still doesn't make her a 10.
Regarding your comment about him paying for the reconstructive surgery, HE IS. He can't help that you divert that money to another use.
You're all wrong....Not every guy thinks Pamela Anderson is a "10". Some think a "10" is more like Delta Burke. At any rate, check her website and base your interest off that. Too easy.
For the record, neither of your examples is a 10.
If someone likes a pig, so be it. It still doesn't make her a fashion model (which, for the record, only gets a 9). Even putting lipstick on it; it's still a pig!
That was my stance.....everyone sees people differently.
If a reviewer thinks the lady is fine as wine....he is free to think that....
Frankly Pamela Anderson is not my type AT ALL. I think she went wayyyyyyyyyyyyy over board with the boobs....however, for some men she is the end all of end all of their definition of beauty. And both opinions are valid.
It is when you have someone like the OP saying hey I think she is a 6 and WE ALL SHOULD THINK SHE IS A 6 BECAUSE I AM THE ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD WHO HAS A VALID POINT ABOUT HER LOOKS....Sir that is hogwash.
And for the record NO you are not paying for any of her body work...YOU obviously think she needs.....I say FORK OVER 15,000.00 IN CASH A ONE STOP DROP AND SEND HER TO MAYO CLINIC!!! Because obviously you think you are the Ms. J of the Hobby World.
Two snaps and a PUMPKIN!!!!
Complaining about how reviewers rate women in a TER review is like complaining about the weather. Bitch all you want, it is what it is.
In the first place, the number scale is a bit of a summary... silly when only VIPs can see it & the review that follows. Personally, I've yet to award a 9 or 10 in any catagory. The appearance is very hard to put a number on... after the fact. I know that if a lady rocks my world her appearance matters less. Still I, at least, try to be realistic.
I'm not hung up on the numbers & neither should you be. I look for consistancy. A lady need not have the exact same score & in fact I'd rate my ATF differently on different occasions. The experiences will vary anyway as sex is about the unique interaction between 2 individuals... on any given occasion.
By consistancy, I look for a lady who has say a 8 average... I'd expect a variance on +1 / -1 so a range of 7-8-9. If I see low numbers like a 2 or 3, I read them first to see why. Sometimes the review will state "not my type but she tried her best". Sometimes I feel that the provider might be moody... or not connect with those not young & fit. (I can't claim that anymore. LOL) Note, I don't disqualify for an occasional low number if I am comfortable with the reason.
I then read all the reviews or if many, the most recent page. Sometimes I see high numbers & the review that follows doesn't sound like the number is justified. If I'm still interested, they're added to my bucket list.
There is no short cut. We al have to do our homework.
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and that is why a numerical rating system is inherently flawed - there is no *real* common scale of either appearance or performance.
Appearance preferences vary widely and performance often has as much to do with the *client* as the provider.
Additionally, performance and chemistry tends to substantially affect the way a client "sees" a provider, influencing the appearance scores.
I frankly wish they would do away with appearance ratings and simply have a place to indiciate whether the ladies pics are accurate, and otherwise *describe* the lady in the review if need be.
Bottom line: it is up to each individual hobbyist to figure out how to interpret and weight the "data" in the review system. There are gents whose tastes are consistently similar to mine, so their particular reviews carry some cred with me. And the review details need to be brought into the mix as well.
Just because YOU don't think she's a 10 doesn't mean that some other guys don't. Don't accuse someone of giving a dishonest appearance rating if you can't live inside of their head.
I hate to break it to you, joker, but not EVERYONE worships the Playboy bunny as their beauty ideal (myself included). Maybe guys LIKE that her body exposes the sacrifices she made to have her children.
I'm sorry that guys have walked out on her before because they expected something different. But frankly, it is FOOLISH to assume every person who gives her a rating above what YOU would rate her is being dishonest.
I have stated in several of my reviews that my appearance rating are based on MY standards alone, for this exact reason.
ones that allow for a bit more subjectivity like:
Instead of "model material" for a 9, how about "my cup of tea." Or, instead of "Once in a life-time," for a 10, how about "It doesn't get any better than this." 
My two cents are that why would anyone see someone that they did not find attractive?
We are paying for the experience both visual and physical.
I really can not foresee myself ever giving someone a rating lower than an 8 as I try to search out first by appearance and then by service. If they are not the person that I expected then obviously I would then rate them accordingly.
That is the whole point of this site, first to keep us safe and second to allow us to do a little window shopping.
They could add an additional category where you rate face and body separately but then again why would you chose someone that was an 8 9 or 10 to you.
My 5 is someone else's 10. Everything is subjective.
After seeing upteen posts on it, I think it comes down to, at best, fear from the guys of losing power in the equation (if a woman gets too many high scores, she might be able to increase her rates) or, at worst, misogyny.
The whole argument about it just being "misleading" to the guys is so lame. All you have to do is do your homework well. If some guy gives a lady a 9 for appearance and you likely won't agree with that, you will almost always be able to decipher that from the lady's pics and from other reviews. Maybe not every time, but almost, and it is pretty unlikely that you will see someone who is inflated to where her 9's are really a 4. Maybe a 7 in some eyes, but I have seen some reviewers who are so intent on being literal about the numbers that their argument was obviously for the sake of that..."Well, she was attractive, yes, but no way she was model material!". Dude, if she's rocking your world, does it really fucking matter by then?
Oy. So many people out there afraid of something...
and when they're just in jeans Tshirt and ponytail. I *know* what model material looks like when she's not all glammed up.
You are *very very rarely* going to find providers, even model material providers. glammed to "model" standard and standing under glamour lighting when you show up for a date lol....
I've read the first seven replies and although they all seem opposed to the original post, I agree with him. I don't think he is bashing this woman...he loves being with her, but feels others are not following TER guidelines and therefore, possibly creating a situation where this woman will get her feelings hurt.
An additional problem is if others sense a review is "padded" then the review (and reviewer) loses credibility.
Sometimes I wonder if some of the reviewers even took time to read the TER descriptions that goes with the numbers. (I just read them again and discovered that 10 is now one in a million instead of once in a lifetime). Any one reviewer that gives out a 10 to 2 different women gives the immpression that he doesn't understand what a TER 10 is.
TER asks that numbers above 7 be saved for special circumstances. If a guy constantly gives out 9s and 10s then all the ratings are diluted.
I know it is no fun to have one's looks rated. I may think I am a 6-7 and in reality I may be only a 4!
Why do so many ladies get upset over a 7 or 8? 7 is attractive and 8 is really hot! Those are great compliments. Again, this isn't the normal 10-point scale we would use in our regular lives or during watercooler talk at the office.
I'm not trying to police the other reviewers...they can do whatever they want. But if they ignore TER suggestions, then the reviews are tarnished.
I do take the time to read the entire review and I agree that the written words are the most important part of the review.
I agree with you, but there's not much anyone can do about it. Hobbyists like to tell themselves things were better and the provider they ere with looked better than they really were. Plus it's called sucking up to the provider.
And I wouldn't give her a "10" (one in a million) on appearance, but more like a 7 (attractive). And she IS attractive; and it isn't insulting to refer to a woman as such.
She IS an incredibly sweet and kind woman. In fact, she is so sweet and so oriented toward pleasing that I can totally understand a guy giving her a 10 for both. Any guy could be afflicted with a case of puppy love for her because in some ways she gives the appearance of being marriage material rather than provider material. To say I've enjoyed her company is really an understatement.
BUT -- I'll give you this -- there are some aspects of physical appearance that certainly make the difference between being featured in Victoria's Secret or not; and this lady will never make the pages of Vickies.
When the ratings have a description attached - 9 = model material; and you know that no major publication would *ever* use her as a model - it is reasonable to expect that nobody would give her a rating higher than 8.
However, that's not the way the world works. While you and I might have the ability to be coldly detached and objective; it can be enormously difficult to be objective about a woman with whom you have just had sex. And if that woman is truly kind and sweet, it becomes even harder.
This CAN be a problem because we men are very visual creatures, so we expect a 10 to be like a supermodel and a 9 to be like the girls in Vickies. So if we book with a provider with 9s or 10s; we have an expectation of a model.
And here is where it is very important to try to be objective. Giving the girl 7s or 8s is okay -- but when a reviewer gives her 9s or 10s, it creates a certain expectation -- an expectation we see on the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine in the checkout counter.
And when she opens the door and the guy sees something dramatically different? He walks away.
It is not cruel to give her a 7 or 8. She advertises herself as a "very attractive MILF" and her advertising is honest.
It IS cruel for a reviewer to establish a false expectation of a 9 or 10; because that can lead to her losing a client, not because of her own advertising, but because of some guy who fell in love and thought he was being helpful.
I hate to think that this very fine lady set aside time, missed an income opportunity, because a client showed up and was expecting a "10" but saw a "7".
Over-rating a girl isn't doing her any favors.
Thanks, you got the point of the post. It was definately not intended to be mean spirited or cruel to the provider. Her and I have had this same conversation (she brought it up). I don't care how "hardened" a woman may become by this job, when you take off your clothes and a man walks out on you, it hurts emotionally at worst, and hurts income opportunity at best. She tries to keep photos representative without emphasizing "flaws". I got no knock on that, and can't imagine why anyone would. I certainly wouldn't be posting pics of close ups of my love handles for all to see if the roles were reversed!
Don't think its the same lady though, unless you've tripped to Dallas lately!
but the circumstance is similar!
with the reviewer you mentioned, since you are talking about one lady and one reviewer. In my experience, if I see a page or two of consistent 8's or 9's for appearances, that's what I find at the door. That way there is no problems regarding "skewing."
IMHO - there's just way too much angst about the appearance ratings, because they are so subjective. There also seems to be a lot of hang-ups about the descriptive words associated with the ratings - once in a liftime, one in a million, etc. etc.
I think it might be better if the appearance ratings were done based on how accurate the photos of the lady are. If the ladies pics are accurate, then that's all the reviewer would need to say. Then having that information, the hobbyist can look at the ladies pics and decide for himself if the ladies looks rock his world or not. Make the scale from 0 (total B&S not her at all) to 5 (Better in person than in her pics).
I think that would simplify the issue and make it less subjective. But in an imperfect world any subjective ratings are going to come into question.
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Now that's a brilliant idea having the looks rating attached to her published images (along with your explanations) instead of the terms "model material" etc. because as a person that's what I would expect too. And it's not fair to the lady as many posters have already said. I love your idea!!!!
Trouble is, many providers, such as this one, have few pics.
This particular provider advertises with a single picture of her laying flat on her stomach on the bed. It's a poor photo and, since her hair is longer now than in the picture, it would be hard to say if it is her or not.
But I like this idea generally. It speaks more to truth in advertising - which I like.
Jesus, will people finally stop complaining about ratings already? Everything in this universe is relative to each individual person. How someone looks to another person is not only none of your business, but also irrelevant to your own personal view of that person.
The one thing I would like to ask you would be, why do you care how the lady in question looks to others? As long as you enjoy her company and like being with her, what does it matter?
Do you think that when she reads your post that she won't feel hurt by your "she's carrying around at least 25 extra pounds recently on a small frame, with just so-so saggy boobs and stretch marks like there's no tomorrow"?
All you have done with this post is shown how superficial you really are even though you try to put in disclaimers stating you really aren't. One should never rely on others viewpoints when determining something very personal. Make the decision for yourself if someone is attractive to you, not depend on some numbers tossed up by random people you have never met.
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If by the 25 extra lbs, you are comparing her to someone like Kate Moss or Twiggy. To me a woman that is so skinny that she cannot lay on her side is not someone I want to see.
As has been said in this thread (and before), I like many others prefer "real woman" who look sexy because of the whole package instead of as you seem to think. You are the type of person who would probably take a bar of gold, and complain that you do not want it because you have to lift it up because it is too heavy.
I guess I see every woman as very sexy, and look past the imperfections. OTOH, you look at the imperfections, and cannot see the beauty. You are the type who would find the imperfections on anybody because it makes you feel better about yourself.
I truely feel sorry for you. Your life must be a living hell, what with the constant looking for the worst in everything..
Hey, as said, I think she's great. Have seen her many times, as I said if you cared to see the positive in my post, after doing several "one and dones" with "knockout" providers.
A rebuke about "only seeing the flaws" from someone who only could only find a negative aspect to my post, well, let's just say I think I'll sleep just fine tonight, thanks.
You initial post is very negative. The basic premise of the post is that while the woman is a good "lay" you simply cannot understand how anybody would rate her higher than you think she "deserves" to be rated.
That is exactly what I am talking about. You look at a woman and see the negative aspects of her physical beauty. OTOH, I and others see the positive aspects of a woman's physical beauty, and those far outweigh the negatives that are so obvious in your mind.
That is what I talking about in terms of looking at life in a negative way.
Pretty much every woman is beautiful in some way. It just takes a while to find it in some. OTOH, your viewpoint is that if a woman does not look like she belongs in the VS catalog, then how can anybody else feel that she is beautiful.
Guess the delivery could have been better, but the intent was there.
I easily see beyond any physical so called "faults" of this person, and could break the bank seeing her if I dared do so and was not in control of myself. As I said, I've seen quite a few "better looking" women, but the experience with her outshines them all because of how we get along. To me, she's very physically appealing because of the connection and attitude. But, model material, or once in a lifetime she is not. Not what I was after when I sought her out. I was looking for a physical encounter as well as an easygoing type that would put me at ease (and she did), but going by reviews I'd read I did expect more on the physical appearance scale. For instance perky firm boobs are my one big thing (and I was seeking someone out with that), and she'd been reported many times as having such (and had no nudes on her site as many providers do not). She didn't. Damn good thing for me I that while I appreciate a nice boob, I was not shallow enough to get up and walk out on her as others have done (and it stung for her as it would any mother of 3 wishing they still had their pre-mommy bod), as she's turned into "the go to provider for me", and gets 95% of my hobby budget, which is substantial. And she is the only one I've spent more than an hour with, and have done multiple overnights with. I think I'm completely capable of seeing beyond a few flaws and seeing the good in her, and the flow of my hobby cash demonstrates that.
What pisses me off is when guys inflate ratings beyond all reason. This can and has resulted in guys looking for a physical thing being disappointed. What pisses me off even more is how anyone could be so cold as to actually walk out on someone in such a way just because physical appearance was not as hoped and as reported in reviews (and through no deception by the provider). Got to be a real cold hearted prick to pull that one off, but we all know it happens. Can't imagine a lousy $300 bucks meaning so much to me that I'd do that to someone (unless flagrant deception on their part was involved).
Maybe that makes my point clearer, maybe it doesn't. Seems no matter what is said, it's gonna piss someone off.
You are saying that if you see a 10 in at least one or more reviews, you want to walk into the room, and have your jaw drop to the floor because she is that beautiful. Hey, I understand what you are saying...
But keep in mind that if you walk into the door, and see some of the women I think are absolutely beautiful, you might be disappointed.
I personally happen to think that skinny models are simply not sexy at all. It is a personal viewpoint that I have.
But I guess you are more hung up with the naming scheme for the rating system rather than the numbers.
Also I agree that if a woman "rocks your world", you are more likely to dismiss any of her faults, rather than if she performs poorly. But keep in mind that we are all driven by our own opinions. We all like different flavors of ice cream, and we all like different flavors of women.
Perhaps there is something I like specifically about a woman, and if that woman has the specific characteristic, I might rate her a 10 based on that. For example for me, a specific look of the breasts is my favorite. When she lays on her back and her body moves a little bit from Mish, and the boobs jiggle in just the right way. I love that, and would probably rate the woman a 9 or 10 every time based on that single fact. Is that wrong? No, because for me, she is a 9 or a 10.
It's happening in schools everywhere. It negatively affects mostly those at the very top.
Folks, I tend to look for the "girl next door" type, myself. I have had any number of encounters with ladies (both providers and civies) who, at a glance, might have been considered average or cute (at best) on what some might consider an empirical basis. It never ceases to amaze me how, after a cup of coffee, or a nice casual conversation, or a little ice-breaking, the beauty of the person slowly reveals itself. I am sure that everyone on the board has seen "the most beautiful person in the world" while basking in the afterglow of passion. I score the lady as I see her, not how I think someone else might. I don't think changing the scoring system will help those of you looking for more absolutes. Between the multitude of reviews, ladies websites, and the boards (as well as the ability to PM on this site) one can a lot of information with which to make an informed decision. As a rule of thumb, I typically look at both the reviews AND the reviewers to get a good idea of the context of the score and flavor of the review. Just my take on it...
What might be someone's 10...I think, put 30 pounds on her, she getting close to a 10....
The below post is several years old. I'd have included the link but did not wish to test the current TER administration's take on the "Not mentioning former/banned members names on the discussion board" rule.
" I've bitched about this totally subjective and wholly corruptible appearance scoring system several times in several TER discussions as well as other forums.
To me the answer is fairly simple except for a couple of possible small bugs that COULD be side stepped or factored in.
PROVIDER PHOTO FIDELITY
1. Not the woman in the photos
2. Far from the truth
3. 10 years & 25+ pounds ago maybe
4. Face/eyes obscured & body doesn’t match
5. Face/eyes obscured but body matches
6. Total Glamour shots using all the tricks
7. Glamorized but realistic
8. Artfully posed but representative
9. Very fair representation
10. What you see is totally what you get
IMO the above takes subjective/personal taste in beauty away and places it fully in a definitive listing of accountability. The ladies will have no choice but to have good current photos if they wish favorable photo descriptions. The shilling and the ancillary manipulations and corruptions are for the most part thwarted and automated aggregate compilations based on numeric value (IE: 1 = worst & 10 = best) could be further avoided by merely assigning any particular number to the description thereby removing the precept of a “value”. IE: 4 & 5 could just as easily be numbered 9 & 10 "
and leave each hobbyist to describe the gal in his own words.
This thread is exhibit one towards that conclusion.
We can tell if the gal is generally our style by her photos. If the photos aren't accurate, I'm sure plenty of hobbyists will say so in their reviews.
To quote Margaret Wolfe Hungerford*:
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
Try reading his post again. All the way through.
He is saying that over-stating a provider's appearance score doesn't do anyone any good. I have said the same thing a few times. He has also added that he has directly talked to the particular provider being discussed and she agees with him. Read what he wrote.
Now, I have also posted on this issue before, and am slowly coming to see not only the futility of resistance to the majority of the common board posters, but also the veracity of some of the counter-arguments.
Screaming for change in a rant isn't going to do anything but stir up the inevitable hornet's nest of responses. Some of the hornets are defensive reviewers trying to justify their reasons. Some are from providers that fear a drop in their review scores would mean an equal drop in revenue. A few are from reviewers that honestly have a very different view of beauty compared to the current societal norms.
The most sane approach would seem to be something like RRO2610's proposal. One small problem with this could manifest when a provider who has a series of reviews rating her photos as 'very representative', then goes out and gets a new set of photoshopped glamour shots. Eventually, the reviews will start reflecting the new reality, but in the meantime, there will be a few disappointed clients.
A bigger problem would be impelmentation. TER now has a database of well over half a million reviews. None of them have a tag in the new rating category.
How do you address all those existing reviews? Are all the old reviews discarded? Is that category left blank? Is there some effort to cross-map previous appearances scores with new photo-related veracity? Then you end up with the same problem, but translated into a new system.
Any database gurus out there?
Finally, there is the one issue that no one usually brings up. Everyone says, "Look at her photos and decide for yourself."
But that addresses only one path by which we find a provider:
See her ad, check her pictures, read her reviews.
There is another method that I must believe many guys use:
Search TER database using the Appearance and Performance filters, set those to (say) 7 to 10, complete the rest of the categories to your taste and location, then start searching through the results.
In the latter case, us picky, lazy guys don't want to get 300 results only to start searching through the profiles to find the 10 or 15 profiles that meet our personal criteria. We are simply lazy.
This latter search method would be mostly useless if the TER database went to purely photo-veracity related scores. I don't personally want to mill through hundreds of profiles of women that have 'very true' photos, only to find out she is not my type at all once I get to her web site.
Perhaps a hybrid approach would be best.
The TER database is not perfect, but it is certainly better than nothing. It could probably be improved, but not if no one ever questions the status quo.
It can be difficult to see the point when one is poked in your eye to begin with. The OP starts out:
"Guys, come on with the bs ratings already!...
How about something remotely approximating the truth in ratings?"
By accusing every guy reading his post of giving bs ratings that do not even approximate a lady's true appearance, he makes it very difficult for any of us to see his very legitimate point, which you have done so well. It would have been better to state his case as a concern, with related experience as being a good example, in opposed to an indictment.
Thanks for pointing out the valuable part of his post.
There's no place for that on TER
not reasonable enough. For my second ex-wife I was too reasonable. I thought I had gotten it about right, according to my present wife. Now, you're telling me I've swung back to being too reasonable.
what I call a 10, you might see as an 8.
And what you call a 10 I might see as an 8.
So, it's all in the eye of the individual.
Unfortunately, you chose to post under an alias so we can't see how you score the ladies.
The number system is a bit ackward, but it is what it is and if I see a lady and, to me she is a 9 or 10, that's what she gets.
I don't compare my scores with any one else who may have reviewed her.
In over 5 years of hobbying, I have never met any lady who I was disappointed in after seeing her "scores".
Just my opinion...
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I agree if you and I go to a club, mall, beach, etc. we will see plenty of women that we rate as 10s. Or maybe you will say 8 and I will say 10, or the other way around.
Our 10 in those situations is probably different than TER's 10. TER has asked us not to give out 8-10 like candy. We are on TER's playground, and they would like us to play by TER's rules.
I agree that it is in the eye of the beholder, but it is not that simple. It is in the eye of the beholder WITHIN TER's definitions. A TER 9 is model material, which means that woman could go work as a model. A 10 means ONCE in a lifetime (now ONE in a million).
Looking at your five reviews, you gave two providers a 10. Unless you have lived two lifetimes or you have been with two million providers, right away you are outside of TER's definitions.
You gave two of the other providers 9s. I have not met these women...can you tell me at the time you met them, that they could both get modeling jobs? Appear in a magazine? Make a living as a model? If not, you are outside of TER's definitioins, and you are diluting the value of your reviews.
I am willing to guess that if I could meet all five of the women you reviewed, I could meet several just as beautiful at the three places I mentioned at the beginning of this post. Which means they are not once a lifetime nor one in a million, and probably not able to work as models. I am not trying to be harsh to you or those women, I am just putting things into perspective of TER's descriptions.
If I may give a different example, I once served on a jury. The charge was related to a man that got into an altercation with his girlfriend. There was also a gun involved, but no witnesses. I forget the specific charge, but we as the jury were instructed exactly what that specific charge meant and we had to decide guilty or not guilty WITHIN that definition. Did we think the boyfriend was a creep? Yes. Do we think they got into a fight? Yes. Do we think he owned a gun? Yes. Here is the important part: Do we think he commited the specific crime of which he was charged beyond a reasonable doubt? No. We were asked to play by the rules of the court, and he was found not guilty.
It's not simply your definition of a 10. It's TER's definition of a 10.
For you to have five reviews, with two models and with two once in a lifetime, you must be one lucky guy, or not staying within TER's definitions. The more 10s you give, the less I trust your reviews.
I have been with gorgeous women, and I loved the way they looked...but they were not model material and they were not once in a lifetime, so they recieved an 8. Which means really hot and that is a great compliment.
died and gone to heaven, and was then back again.
Sorry, just being silly.
As others have pointed out, a "point" system for appearance is purely subjective. I will never give a BBW a high score because I find them unattactive - but that does not mean that others don't think they are the best thing out there. It is a judgement call based on pure personal preference.
Maybe they should just remove that rating and go by body type - oh but that doesn't work here either. Guys, if you see somebody who is 5'5" and weighs 190 pounds, that is NOT baby-fat. Be honest, she is a BBW. I see so many profiles where the baby fat is listed and when I look at the lady's pictures and or height/weight listings, it is CLEARLY not "baby fat."
Hey I'm not disparaging BBW by the way. I'm no prize myself in that arena as I now rate as Morbidly Obese - I just don't prefer that body type for women. For those who do, great.
Just be honest with your ratings.