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It's just like proving that 2+2 =5
GaGambler 162 reads
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Msot of us that have ever taken any advanced math know how to do it, but it doesn't make it so.

Claudius423101298 reads

there seem to be some folks who believe that numbers are Really Real.

there seem to be some folks who believe that numbers are completely unreal, devoid of feeling and in fact the Works of the Devil.

happily, both are wrong.

numbers are metaphors. they can compress poetry and passion into something compact when they are subjective. they can be diamond hard predictors of events and measures of "the good" when used properly.

examples:

1) the appearance score on reviews... it is a condensation of passion and poetry and it is completely subjective. reasonable folks will disagree.....

2) a very personal example: my BP. it drops after a visit with a favorite AND that drop reflects OBJECTIVELY how good that favorite is for me. i need to like her as a person. she needs to have an ethical business practice and DOESN'T need to like me enough to be "most favored client". a favorite who is gaming favorite status will not work so well. the heart has it's reasons that logic doesn't understand.... but my numbers don't lie. they know when i'm being put through a wringer.

so for numbers, what i can say is this: they _can_ be used to depersonalize (that is not my way) or they can be used to tell you who and what is REALLY good for you.

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mrfisher225 reads

Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure.

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Claudius42310161 reads

the thing about the saw is that while liars have to "figure", but their figures don't add up or stand up to scrutiny. eventually lies done with figuring fall apart. for instance:

i omitted a third category in last eve's rant:

3) numbers you can't argue with: 9.8 meters per second^2 .... the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of the planet. wishing it away won't keep you from falling. you can persuade it to be in abeyance with an opposing number: aerodynamic lift, for instance.

in addition to the liers there are also the mistaken.

-- Modified on 6/1/2011 1:51:57 AM

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johngaltnh171 reads

Indeed, wishing away gravity or believing it doesn't apply won't keep one from going splat. Hence existence has primacy over consciousness.

But even your "objective" numbers, such as decrease in blood pressure, are entirely subjective as they measure the effect a particular woman had upon you. A different client would not necessarily experience the same result.

And it should also be understood that to a certain extent, your emotional content and reactions to a given woman will reflect your own values; and that therefore emotion does not exist completely independently of knowledge and reason. The two interact.

And this is just one reason why another client's reaction to the exact same woman could be decidedly different.

Even so, in general, I agree with your observation.

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Claudius42310177 reads

some of the folks i try to help professionally have a narrow view of existence: that it is merely material. in many cases emotion and quality of consciousness can be as important as matter.

there are remarkable cases from history which illustrate this. our Revolution and the Viet Nam war are cases where spirit balanced the material advantage for one side. one neglects that at one's peril. an over reliance on technology is a weakness.

my response to a woman seems to have at least two very significant pieces. one is the "like" factor that has appearance, intelligence, personality as elements. the other is the "safe" factor: is my information safe with her? is she reliable? will she raise the height of the hoops to jump through?

the numbers i measure for myself do not let me wish away "safety" at all. i am so fortunate to have friends who can excite the passions while not creating safety issues.

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mrfisher175 reads

In other words, any statistics have to be evaluated according to practical criteria to see if they hold up, or just make good sound bites.

For example, at one time tire manufacturers would show footage of one of their tires driving over a bed of nails and broken glass and exclaim how wonderful the tire was to have been able to do so with a blow out.  What they didn't say was that they had to do over a 100 takes of that ad to finally show you a tire that didn't blow out.

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GaGambler163 reads

Msot of us that have ever taken any advanced math know how to do it, but it doesn't make it so.

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rightonppl227 reads

...at least when I was a kid. We'd sit around with our buds tossing out ratings to each other to mask our insecurities over actually approaching real girls. Like a lot of things that start out as jokes, it lost its sarcastic origins and got hijacked by humorless types. I blame Blake Edwards, even though he was pretty funny in a different way.

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Claudius42310186 reads

i can understand why there are ratings even though i find them useless. they allow a quick search for those with no time or inclination to do research. but i think that a different system would be less drama prone:

2) would you repeat or recommend to others
1) would you not repeat or recommend to others
0) safety issue: rip off, rob, etc.

that would eliminate the extortion of high scores from reviewers and the nit picking over what is a 9 versus an 8 anyway.

how many angels dance on a pin head anyway? ;-)

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rightonppl171 reads

and cast my vote with the system everyone in the world uses by necessity thousands of times every waking day: the binary scale, in this case, specifically, 1) I'd do her or 0) I wouldn't do her.

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GaGambler183 reads

1) I would not DATY or fuck

2) I would fuck but not DATY

3) I would DATY and then fuck

4) I would fuck and then DATY

5) I would DATY even after my buddy got down fucking her.

I have never met a "FIVE", nor do I expect to. lol

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