When I was much younger, I would fuck just about any woman, especially if there were no witnesses in the case of an ugly woman.
I've lost track of the number of women I have turned down in the last several years, almost always women close to my own age who mistake my being friendly for "interest" I am sure almost every woman out there can relate, I now understand why some women are so harsh when turning down a man's unwanted advances, it can get a bit annoying when members of the opposite sex (or the same sex I suppose. lol) can't take a subtle hint that you have no interest.
In contrast to the airplane pick-up thread below, did you ever get faced with a pretty sure civvie thing and you absolutely had to walk away? (Obviously I am addressing men here. We understand that you women have this experience multiple times daily.) What's your story? Here's one of mine-
I was on a business trip half way across the country, had to work closely with a specialist in a different field who flew in from different part of the country. No reason to think I would ever see or work with that specialist after this week. First day she was real friendly, and come evening she wants to meet up at the hotel and have dinner. At dinner she's telling me about how her husband is coming home next week after many months in Europe and she's really worked up because he had been cheating on her and she doesn't want him back in her life kind of maybe. She's also pushing me for more drinks, and we should go somewhere else, and ootchy gootchy friendly etc. After a while it gets real obvious that she's coming on to me, and also real obvious that she wants to be able to tell hubby that by golly she cheated on him, too. She was damn attractive. I thought of how many ways this was an open invitation to career and marriage suicide, and I just left the cards face down on the table.
I was living in a condo complex with a pretty hot Mom next door and she had a drop dead gorgeous 18 YO daughter who had just graduated from high school. I was only 23 at the time but to me that seems like robbing the cradle at that age. The hard part was the daughter kept hitting on me constantly. I finally got her to stop. The next week or so later her milfy horny mom actually climbs through my window in he middle of the night and gave me a BBBJCIMNQA. She then said "my turn" to which I said no way.
I run into the daughter about 2 years later a big social event. Turns out she married a plastic surgeon 15 years older than me! I'm sure she would have been too high maintenance for me but I sure wished I pulled the trigger on that one at least once. Wonder where she is today? HMMMM
Are you retarded...I mean mentally challenged? And I quote: "The next week or so later her milfy horny mom actually climbs through my window in he middle of the night and gave me a BBBJCIMNQA. She then said "my turn" to which I said no way." No, I mean retarded!
Ok Mom wasn't milfy....skanky....no way was I going down on that....the daughter I should have done for sure
Didn't we all get into this life to avoid this type of drama. Don't believe for a minute that you can get in and out of this situation without consequences. I prefer to pay my money and walk away -- happy and detached.
I have a hard fast rule, I don't shit where I eat.
I'd much rather pay Benny's than to sacrifice professional respect. You can make more money, you can't take back the professional respect.
Throw it back, and buy a fish sauteed and grilled to perfection.
Trust me on this all those who threw the fishes back: one day in your old age you will look back and just like me you will REGRET about ALL the fishes you ever threw back.
Sure some of them fishes might have spelled serious dramas but as long as you have taken care against unwanted pregnancies there was nothing you could not have recovered from -eventually.
OTH you will spend the rest of your days wondering what COULDA, SHOULDA, WOULDA... just like me ![]()
Just like some money is not worth accepting, some pussy comes with so much drama attached it just not worth going for, no matter how hot she is.
I guess it really does suck having so many regrets, I am to busy fucking women that don't add drama to my life to have regrets over women who would have made my life miserable. I don't even remember 90+% of the "fish" I threw back, much less obsess over them. You need to fuck more hookers and quit wasting time regretting civvies you never fucked.
There's a concept that just went by over your head. It's called "freebie". Sure like everybody else I fucked hookers but like everybody else I had to pay for them. Or maybe your pea-shooter has few bullets? because in my case I could always shoot more bullets than having targets for... so in my youth and virility I just could never fuck enough -unlike you that is. Pardon for thinking you're capable of same... LOL..
Too many fish in U.S.A seas to worry about not bothering to throw out a line when they are schooling in incredibly large numbers, eager to be caught.
Never had a second thought about fish that got away, shook off the hook before boarded, released for other anglers to catch, left on the dock for the mate, or cut the line for lack of time.
Too much of a good thing can ruin the flavor.
As I've grown older and more mature I find no more joy in keeping a fish only to mount.
If in lived in China where men outnumber women and fishing is much more difficult
I might have second thoughts about letting a keeper go.
Sure some of them fishes might have spelled serious dramas but as long as you have taken care against unwanted pregnancies there was nothing you could not have recovered from -eventually.
OTH you will spend the rest of your days wondering what COULDA, SHOULDA, WOULDA... just like me
The only time I let a fish back in the pond is if she smells like fish. Lol
I've learned to accept that life is full of regrets of one sort or another. You can't get out of here without a bag of them. When yo accept the regrets, that bag gets lighter and lighter to carry.
Sure some of them fishes might have spelled serious dramas but as long as you have taken care against unwanted pregnancies there was nothing you could not have recovered from -eventually.
OTH you will spend the rest of your days wondering what COULDA, SHOULDA, WOULDA... just like me
But I was married each time, but one. And that time it was a friend who was recently separated from an abusive husband. Tempting as it was (she was very attractive, and beautiful inside also), I passed-- and was glad I did, as she reconciled with her husband.
Probably it happens more often to men than you think. I'd suggest that you might have turned down many opportunities to get laid just because you weren't that attracted to the woman. You probably don't remember a lot of such incidents because they didn't register as significant at the time.
Was there ever a matronly old biddy who used to flirt with you at work? You probably could have had her if you had been inclined to try. Ever notice a waitress who paid a little too much attention to you? She was available I'd wager. What about the tubby with the stringy hair in the sports bar who struck up a conversation with you about what songs to pick on the jukebox? Do you think maybe she wanted to take you home?
Of course, a real man, a viral and rakish man, he'd fuck anything in sight, right? That's how women think we're supposed to be. But we all know it ain't true. Bad sex is bad sex. That's why it's worth paying for good sex with women who turn you on. It's okay to admit it. No dogs allowed.
When I was much younger, I would fuck just about any woman, especially if there were no witnesses in the case of an ugly woman.
I've lost track of the number of women I have turned down in the last several years, almost always women close to my own age who mistake my being friendly for "interest" I am sure almost every woman out there can relate, I now understand why some women are so harsh when turning down a man's unwanted advances, it can get a bit annoying when members of the opposite sex (or the same sex I suppose. lol) can't take a subtle hint that you have no interest.
There was a friend of a friend who hit on me every time she was near.
I felt no attraction to her, let me be clear,
Though she wasn't a dog, she wasn't my type at all.
A bit too portly if you get my drift, with a mind quite short of beginners rapids,
Not very swift.
One night late at a wild party, someone slipped MDA in my drink.
How did I notice I was drugged, and with what, read on to find out.
When most of the guests were leaving and music blaring, Miss Plumpett was still there.
She handed me a drink before strumping her wares in front of my eyes.
All of a sudden without any warning
I was as horny as a Hoot owl.
With no other choices in sight
I lost my fright while letting her have her way with me .
Early morning with the sun burning my eyes,
I wished I had worn a disguise.
She asked would I like to do more MDA,
To which I replied,
I've never done that,
No sense starting this morning .
Then a light went off in my head.
It's been years since that night, I was hoping I'd forget by now.
I will never let anyone I don't trust with my pants, another chance,
to drug my drink.
Of course, a real man, a viral and rakish man, he'd fuck anything in sight, right? That's how women think we're supposed to be. But we all know it ain't true. Bad sex is bad sex. That's why it's worth paying for good sex with women who turn you on. It's okay to admit it. No dogs allowed.
IRL. Before you flame me, no I don't feel like all THAT, but my fear is that I will hit on the 1 of 1000 civvies who will actually like me and that she will do something stupid that will lead to my wife finding out.
Earlier this year I was in Vegas by myself for two nights and I made a resolution not to go to strip clubs and not to engage in P4P, sort of like my best bud who will not drink the whole month of January every year to show that he is not an alcoholic. I had just gotten off the airplane in Vegas and this stunning surgeon in her late 30s started speaking to me and by the time we got to the cab area she propositioned me (she was also there for a conference). As a special bonus, that same night, an attractive employee at a store in the Venetian asked if I wanted to have dinner with her after she got off work (granted, for all I know, this one may have been a working girl).
Anyway, what I mean about it being weird is that I am about to turn 45 and everytime I pass up an opportunity IRL, I know that the clock is ticking and pretty soon there will be no opportunities, at least not with women I dig or would like to dig into
I don't want to divorce my wife and play, she is my best friend, but darn, this shit is hard.
Hope I did not drunk post this twice!
a little older than me, married less than a year, super hot and a couple of months pregnant...she had one of the other girls tell me that all I had to do was ask. I was a total frat douche dog at the time but that I couldn't bring myself to do.
I was in college and hanging out in a bar where my fraternity buddy worked. As the night wound down we found ourselves talking and drinking with this mid 40s gal. She had a kid in the hospital and lots of other stuff going on. Well by closing time she was rubbing up against me and asking me what I wanted for breakfast next morning. At one point I actually looked at my buddy with a "what the fuck do I do now?" look. No help there. 30 minutes later I was sitting back at my fraternity house wondering whether I'd just passed up the fuck of a lifetime. With a few decades of reflection I think I probably passed on a lot of drama. Or at least I hope so.
One was my boss, she'd just separated from her husband. I was talking with her one evening after everybody else had left the office, and she arched her back thrusting her boobs out and said "I'm feeling kinda horny, and I bet you'd make a great date". I was single at the time, but she was not really my type, plus I figured "danger Will Robinson" - she'll regret this later, and fire my ass to get rid of her guilt. So I politely ignored it and excused myself. She slept her way up to the CEO, he got a really nasty divorce and married her.
Second happend just a couple of years ago. An attactive single 50-ish blonde moved in across the street. I am always working in my garden, so we'd get talking as she jogged, strolled or biked by. Didn't take long until she was dropping hints like "I'm not seeing anyone right now", and touching me when we talked. I'm married for God sake and she'd met my wife, so clueless old me didn't pick up on it off until my adult son told me "um Dad, she's hitting on you". I decided full disclosure was my only defense, told my wife about it and stopped even waving hello to her. Found out her son has a restraining order against her and she's BSC. Whew.
so about a month ago I was out of town on business and my wife and I went to the hotel bar to have dinner and sat up at the bar watching a football game, and after a couple hours my wife was tired and went up to bed. Game wasn't over so I stayed, and about 10 minutes later a fairly attractive MILF came in and sat next to me, right where my wife had been, and started talking to me. I was mostly watching the game (my favorite team was playing) and did little to encourage her, but she angled her body toward me, started caressing my arm, put her hand on my leg, etc, and was telling me that she was in town alone on business. The bartender lady who had seen me there with my wife was looking at me like I was the biggest jerk who ever lived. I told my new "friend" that I was there with my wife, assuming that would correct any confusion, but no, she responded that she also was staying at the hotel, but alone. Finally I excused myself saying I needed to use the bathroom and got the hell out of there. Football game wasn't even over either. Told my wife all about it and she laughed, and from my details she confirmed that I was likely not imagining things and the lady was coming on to me.
I met this chick by chance encounter. There were no seats in the cafeteria and I had a plateful of food and a drink in hand. I spied a seat opposite a homely nerdy looking mulatto gal with glasses and asked if she wouldn't mind if I sat there to eat my lunch since there were no other seats. She agreed. Being a talkative and friendly sort (with no pressure because I was NOT attracted to this gal) we chatted. Exchanged names, asked what major she had. The weather was a topic. Typical small talk. After lunch I stood up and thanked her for sharing her table. She asked what class I was going to and I replied that I was going to see a midday movie because my next class wasn't till 3pm. She asked if she could come along. She said she needed a break from studying and that she was actually done with classes that day. I shrugged and said, sure.
We saw the movie and since Mystery Science Theatre 3000 was my favorite show and thus movie blew, I made fun of it talking to her through most of it. I guess she liked my humor and thought we were on a "date" because from that day forward she stalked me for a month. Found out my phone # from a friend of mine by saying to him that she had lost it (I never gave it to her). Called me at least once a day for a week till I finally told to to "stop". She was annoying, not pretty, rather dumb for a nerdy bookish type and she became possessive of me when I was with a group of friends at school she would come over and "defend" anything I said or did. So, if I jokingly called a buddy a "jackass" she would really call him a jackass! She had no grasp of group dynamics or inference. She was just awkward and lonely I guess
Finally I had it and told her to.lose my number and to avoid me because "I had enough friends and didn't need another" Now up to this point there had be NO talk of sex or dating. She was like an annoying kid sister. She says to me: "Why are you breaking up with me? Is it because we never had sex?" I was bowled over by this, astounded. I had NEVER had a gf throw herself at me like that. I had to work really hard to be ignored by all the gals I was interested in! Fact was though, that despite the revelation that I COULD have her if I wanted her right then. I just didn't want her. Her skinny little shapeless body with her coke bottle glasses, acne scarred face with unruly and uncombed kinky half straightened hair buns just turned me off. Her personality turned me off. Bout the ONLY turn on was the semi-offer of the question which I responded to as "No honey, its not that. Don't sell yourself short, you are more than just sex, you are an intelligent woman who will succeed at life. I just don't have time for a relationship right now. See ya." And I booked it outta there. The hurt on her face haunts me to this day. I had never broken a heart before. Nor since. But damn am I glad I dodged that bullet. She was awful
if a woman is eventually going to boil my rabbit, she at least needs to be hot.
So ok, I say this not to be immodest but simply to make a point: I'm told I'm a good looking guy, really good career, dress well, drive a nice car, excellent income and not afraid to spend it, personable, fun to be with, yadayada... and while I have taken a multitude of business trips and worked in jobs with tons of women, NEVER, not once -- ever -- have I been propositioned, hit on, come onto, molested against my will, had anyone crawl through my window with their next of kin, or any of the above.
I'm married and have been a good husband for as long as I could. I wore a wedding ring until I entered into a separation recently so I was an obvious factory approved safe guy, and not a problem waiting to happen... and I am not calling bullshit on anyone else as people can say what they say and write what they write and I don't doubt there are many who have lived fuller lives than me, but where the fuck have I been??? Have I had opportunities with other women IRL? Yes, but they were ALL initiated by me, at least I think I was initiating them. And while I found them far less fulfilling and more expensive than the hobby, it's not like women were throwing themselves at me, giving me room keys at conventions, or any inviting me to join the mile high club.
So these stories remind me of being in the locker room when I played football, hearing it all and wondering what the fuck am I doing wrong. These are amazing stories and I am enjoying them all from my perch in the parallel universe.
As I've gotten older I've learned many of the signs a woman gives when she's interested. Like you i wonder if i was missing that when I was younger and the answer is of course i was! Which is why a lot of guys my age look at guys in their 20s and say Dear God i wish I knew then what I know now.
I think I needed to be hit over the head to know when it was happening.
There was an attractive young woman at a bar I hung out at, and I'd been trying to make her for about a year. Then I got married. A year or so later I went to the bar, and she came up to me. "I'm really horny," she said. "Let's go back to my place." Gee. Thanks a lot. She probably sent signals before that I missed.
Another one was a model I'd worked with often. Very nice looking, and gorgeous eyes. I was told back then that I had nice eyes as well. Once, while on set, we were close to each other and locked eyes. I just about melted. It didn't occur to me until weeks later that she may have been hitting on me.
I'd say while yes it does happen it happens a lot less often than some of the guys made it out to be.
Comparing to being the locker room is right. Who in here would admit to having a short dick and worse looking than Brad Pitt? FYI last weekend I caught a fish this HUGE...
Of course just like that famous book I think it's called "women are from venus men are from mars" many guys thinking what studs they are seriously misread the way women like to flirt and play mind games with them just for their entertainment only. They were never really serious in the first place
More than likely you've been relying on your metal car, your plastic clothes, and sculptured looks to make yourself look attractive, when confidence in your mind could have magnetized the gals who didn't seek you out.
When I was in school I was doing football players GF's when they were on the field.
I didn't have a fancy car or a fat wallet but I knew how to look willing .
I'm certainly not as handsome as you, but the best thing I've got going, I am the guy most Fathers wouldn't want their daughter to date, when I was sixteen and likely until the day I die . .
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That helps my odds more than pretty looks and expensive cars could , with younger girls.
Older rational women are looking for security, PYT's with wild streaks are looking for different experiences than they hear about in their locker room
I'm married and have been a good husband for as long as I could. I wore a wedding ring until I entered into a separation recently so I was an obvious factory approved safe guy, and not a problem waiting to happen... and I am not calling bullshit on anyone else as people can say what they say and write what they write and I don't doubt there are many who have lived fuller lives than me, but where the fuck have I been??? Have I had opportunities with other women IRL? Yes, but they were ALL initiated by me, at least I think I was initiating them. And while I found them far less fulfilling and more expensive than the hobby, it's not like women were throwing themselves at me, giving me room keys at conventions, or any inviting me to join the mile high club.
So these stories remind me of being in the locker room when I played football, hearing it all and wondering what the fuck am I doing wrong. These are amazing stories and I am enjoying them all from my perch in the parallel universe.
as a teenager I was (and still am to some degree) a bit nerdy and awkward around women. I was a late bloomer who always looked like a little (well ok, a pudgy but young) kid well into my mid 20's. I was oblivious to signs that girls gave out that they were interested even when others TOLD me that they were. There was a gal in Junior high school who was an early bloomer and had DD tits before any of the other gals. All of us guys talked about her and snuck glances at her. As the guy with glasses, braces, a funny sounding last name and a persecution complex from overbearing parents I didn't believe her friend when she told me that DD girl"liked" me. I was dumb because I never pursued it and ignored it. Decades later I ran into DD girl in the street and we said "Hi" and caught up. Turns out she asked me why I never responded all those years ago. She really had liked me because I was quiet and respectful unlike some of the other guys. She went on to say that she had dreamt of me throughout junior high and ended up meeting a guy in HS who looked like me and ended up marrying him after HS. She showed me his pic. He could have been my twin. She was standing there in that street with 3 kids, all his and asking ME why I hadn't responded. It blew my mind. We talked a bit more, then exchanged a hug and went in our way and I haven't seen her since.
So, not being able to see signs probably played into a lot of your isolation just like it did mine. I discovered p4p at 19 and realized early that it was the only way I'd lose my virginity before 20. I had NO game. Still really don't though I have been with a few civvies in my life including my current wife. It's not cars or looks or money that make you attractive I think, its confidence. I have never been hit on more than since I have been married and not looking. Once on my honeymoon for chrissakes! But all in all, I can count on one hand how many times it has happened, but each time left an indelible impression on my mind so that I can tell the story here or to trusted friends. So it's not that I am bombarded with gals throwing themselves at me, this is a lifetime of stories each treasured in my brain that I share. Hell, it's all I got for game.
from my perspective, I have always felt that women almost always do the choosing, their genius lies in letting us believe that we worked them. They give you clues that they are receptive to at least explore the possibilities and it may be in the way the eye contact is made, the way in which they stand next to you, the way they smile. The guy then feels that he initiated, but what he does not realize, at least not consciously, is that he has already received subtle clues telling him that it is alright to at least give it a try. Think back about all those times you feel that you initiated and you may realize that you did not really initiate. I am not saying every single time, but you get the drift.
As for being good looking, well to do, well mannered, well dressed, all those things can help but there is another little reality, even those people do not appeal to everybody. I think about it this way, we all have a subset of the population that is going to find us attractive. For some of us it may be 1% of the opposite sex, for some it may be 20%, whatever it may be, but there is no such thing as universally attractive (BTW, when I use attractive, I mean the whole package, not just physical appearance). These things are very personal, very subjective.
Skyfire, I will admit to a short dick and not looking like Brad Pitt. I am not much in the physical department but I will say this for me, I am a nice guy, and no, we don't always finish last. The ironic thing about what happened to me in Vegas per the post above is that I was not looking for anything. I should also clarify that when I said propositioned, Skyfire is right, it should be taken with a grain of salt. She approached me because she saw my backpack from a certain graduate school and it turns out she had attended that university for undergrad. I explained that it was a gift to me from the school for a favor I had done for them, it led to chit-chat and then out of the blue she said, "I am here for a conference too but I would not mind having some fun, how about we get settled in our hotels and we meet up for drinks?" Now, I may have misread it, but the way she said it and the way she was smiling, I am pretty sure that we were going to have more than a few drinks.
Talk about Brad Pitt, I just had dinner with someone last week who knows him and Angelina as a result of being involved in the charity circuit and the verdict was that he is much smaller in person than you would think and really nothing special to look at. My wife does not find him appealing in the least bit. On the other hand, mention Sean Connery to my wife and her eyes light up...
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