I know thre is a P&R Board, but this isn't to debate religious philosphy so much as to inquire as to whether and how you have encountered same.

Since this begins a week where religious issues will be in the news given the start of the Conclave in Rome on Tuesday, I thought it would be a apt subject.  (Read:  I've cleaned the house and my provider won't be over for a few hours so I have some time on my hands.)

One influence of religion on my hobbying is tantra, which is an off-shoot of Buddhism; and therefore my very favorite religion of all.

The only other circumstance I can recall is a pretty blonde spinner I saw several times who sported a large silver crucifix pendant that would crash into my forehead while she rode me in cowgirl.  Being Jewish, I must say I found it kinky to the max, and could have been a precursor to my mashochist stage.

And, of course, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the fact that I almost always shout out "oh God" as I come.  I sure hope that isn't considered taking the name of the Lord in vain, or I've got some serious karma-ass-kicking coming up.

Well, a lapsed one actually.  Why is not really relevant.  Besides, it would take hours and hours and hours for me to list my beefs.  I believe in God and I consider myself Catholic.  I just don't believe in the Catholic Church and their man-made, un-Biblical laws anymore.

I got to a point where I refused to let Catholic guilt interfere in my life anymore.  I figure God gave us what he did for a reason and they work the way they do for a reason.

If people have an issue with that, too bad.  Blame the Creator.

Have fun and be safe.

When I was young and virile  my GF's would often  scream repeatedly "Oh Jesus"  "Oh Jesus "
 "Jesus you fuck me so good "

      My God complex days have long disappeared .   :-[

So, in your opinion, do you think God is ok with you paying escorts for sex? Yes, I am asking seriously.

I'm not a big fan of organized religion.
More people die in the name of God. It's pretty ironic.
I hope one day the masses won't need the fear of God to keep them in line.
It's really just a book of laws you know. Things that should come naturally.
It's not going to happen in my lifetime. But..
One day technology, and religion will become one.
Whatever the internal soul is. It will be identified.
I just hope we don't blow up the world before it happens.

So My approach to that is..
If there are some pearly white gates up there.
I'm going to need a lawyer to plead my case.

He was forgiven..
Or I'm going to hell for that!

John the Apostle....

or was it John the Baptist?

I was being facetious.

None of the Ten Commandments explicitly forbids hobbying or prostitution.

There are commandments against adultery and coveting thy neighbor's wife, but there's a huge gray area in them, and I believe you're intelligent enough to figure out what that gray area is, so I won't get into it.

As long as he doesn't tell her that he posts on TER or other boards...

He's in like Flint

Was James Coburn a john?  Who cares...he wasn't posting on TER!

1. The overlying point is all religions deal forgiveness.
Murders can repent. So a little nookie for cookie isn't all that bad.

2. Jesus, and many other people back then saw hookers.
I have read that CPA.. I think it was about a bloodline to Jeaus.
It never says he got married in the Bible. So what do you think he was doing?
They don't call it the oldest profession in the world for nothing.

Look, as a Catholic or Christian, there is no conceivable argument for prostitution being moral. Lets just both agree we aren't following Christ's teaching on this. I don't claim to be on a higher moral ground than an escort. It's even Steven. Whether it should be legal, that's a whole different story.

Spartacus and

The Ten Commandments...Hey that Charlton Heston wasn't bad for being an anti-semite

I think those were taken from the P & R board...just saying  

The movie is so blatantly fictitious it's a parody of itself.

But how about Ann Baxter playing Nefretiri?  Hooker of Egypt?

That's an absolutist position.  Could you accept the fact that a supreme being might exist?

I believe one does.  I'm just not sure if any man-made writings are accurate.  But I can see your side.  If you're going by the Old Testament account, that deity is definitely not one I'd worship.

Hell no...only gladiators got hookers this hot.

She also performs castrations as part of her service for hobbyists LOL that don't follow the rules!

No reviews on this one...but I gotta believe most would give her 10/10.  Not like the fake ones that permeate the reviews now!

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I used to be a fundamentalist Christian, and I'm so glad I realized fundy Christianity was bullshit.  Seriously, I cannot think of a more sexually repressive religion than the one in which I was indoctrinated.

The proof that atheism exists needs to only go so far as "I am an atheist", as all that needs to be proven is that a person follows a systemic approach to the God question. On the other hand, the Abrahamic God's existence is much more complex to prove, since it describes an objective being with claimed properties that, taken together, make it completely impossible to prove the God's existence without the God willing it so.

That's what I thought you were implying previously.

.. finding a lawyer in heaven...

Everyone here is following their own version of morality. Not even just here, where it's obvious there's things being ignored even by those who claim to be of a certain faith, but nearly everyone worldwide selectively ignores portions of their born religion because they simply don't believe in that bit.

Most of us have started with a book based on a "god" created thousands of years ago as an omniscient narrator and character wrapped in one entity, but we're finding our own way in life anyway, and doing what we think is right - there isn't a single person who would argue in favor of everything either the church, or the bible says, and for good reason. Most of the Christians I know haven't even read the whole thing, despite being in things like CCD or Jewish religious schools for decades - and the churches prefer it to be that way, because if someone did read the whole thing, they'd realize believing in this book is as backwards and uncivilized as the time it was written in.

Just an example: Deuteronomy 21:18-21 [Torah], stone your children if they disobey you. Implied to be the correct way to act by Jesus himself in Mark 7:10-12 [Bible], where he disparages the Pharisees for not following that command in certain circumstances where it can benefit them.

There's a reason why laws don't work unless you personally believe in them - people speed because they don't believe the speed limit is correct, people do drugs because they don't believe drug laws are correct, and on and on. The same exact concept applies to religion - nearly nobody believes in every single word of their preferred religious text, but people desperately cling to the notion that someone out there is watching, and no matter what choices are made, if they believe in him, they'll be with his boring ass in heaven forever instead of burning for eternity, because that possibility is fucking frightening if you have no way of dismantling the claim.

...well, maybe freezing, depending on which words in the text you choose to believe.

... that there are no atheists in a foxhole...

but I was pretty bad.

Which means try not to hurt other people and do not act like a shit-head.  

Eloquent, huh??

It would be more appropriate to say that carpentry could have been one of the things Jesus did before His ministry.

Again, the translation is likely to blame.  The word used in the original Greek is "tecton," which only means "handworker."  Jesus could have been a jack of all trades, working with wood, stone, and other things.

Exactly!
We are God. It's a mechanism.
I hope you guys understand that.

I was just telling someone that Jewish men are sexual freaks.

And if you are worried about shouting "oh God" just switch to "oh Jesus."  You are Jewish so it takes out the conflict of interest. Problem solved.

Not some serious biblical dispute.
Fuck you, and the bible.. Yup. I said it.
You remind me of th Jehovah's Whitness people.
Very annoying motherfuckers...

Guess you do!

not in form of God or some supreme being as most people see it..I do believe in form of super natural energy, and we humans are simply incapable of understanding it.

I don't pray in bad times, neither do I thank my 'imaginary friend' when the times are good..  

For all intent and purposes, for the outside world, I am an atheist.

I can't believe in god without evidence especially with so much evidence that contradicts the bible. Not the least of which being that there is no historical evidence of Jesus at all. Not a single book of the bible was written soon enough after his death to have been written by someone who was alive when he was given the life expediencies then. And somehow though he was essentially given a roman trial there is no documented evidence of any of it by the Roman's either. All that aside though there is simply to much evidence to refute most of the assertions of the bible.

I don't go so far as to say I am an atheist though because I am not arrogant enough to pretend to be able to say there is no higher force in the universe.

I choose to follow the teachings of Jesus regardless of if I think he ever actually existed or not. I think his teachings are a great model to try to live by. I reject the rest of the teachings and also the restrictions of the church though. I do not really believe in sin and I surely do not believe that if there IS a god he gives a shit about where I stick my penis.

Hi Curly,

I practice religion from my recliner on football Sunday's! When  my beloved Bears score a TD I arise & scream Hallelujah!!  When someone scores against them I shout Jesus H. Christ!! The only take on religion that I understand is George Carlin's classic comic diatribe on the  subject!

Hi CPA,

.. it shows on ABC around Easter! I must lean toward the left in Atheism!!;o)

A wise man once said.....Religions are maintained
 by people. People who cant get laid. Because sex is the first
 great earthly pleasure. But if you cant get that, power is a
 pretty good second one. And thats what religion gives to people.
 Power. Power is sex for people who cant get or dont want or
 arent any good at sex.

You can only have sex for procreation.

Sex is sin.

Sex should not be enjoyed.

Sex for pleasure is sin.

Only missionary position is permitted.

P4P is sin x 9, you are going to burn in hell

Pretty much true for all Abrahamic Religions

I met a gal in Cleveland back around 1992, or there abouts, and she told me that she saw Mssr. Coburn the previous night.  He was in town for a location filming of a movie about some flight that lost an engine from their DC 10.  I think he played the fire chief, or something like that.

What JC actually said was:

"Stop, it's not in anymore."

and if worked perfectly too!

If you will read my OP, I clearly state that I did not want this to be a discussion of religious philosopy, but rather interesting stories of religion and the hobby.

But, I guess the desire to sound off about what the Bible says, and what God wants (As if anyone is really qualifed to opine on that.) is too tempting to resist.

So again I ask:  Does anyone have an interesting story of a circumstance where hobby and the religion came together (so to speak?)

For example, has anyone ever done it in a church?

Here's another example from the scrapbook of mrfisher:

I did therapy for many years with a Zen trained therapist. (He had transmission from a very highly respected Japanese master.)  One day he gave me a mantra to repeat each day, and said to keep the slip of paper in my wallet at all times.  It read:  Kwan seum bosal.

Many years later I happened to be visiting a strange town (Phoenix, as I recall.) with the SO.  The SO had an internet galpal down in Tuscon and toodled down there so I had a day to myself which I decided to make the most of, seeing what Phoenix's MPs had to offer me.

It was kind of slim pickin's at best I found out until my last stop of the day, an AMP.  I wasn't expecting too much from the place except maybe a decent massage and HE, but then as I opened my wallet to pay the lass, the piece of paper with Kwan Seum Bosal fluttered out onto the floor.  The gal bent over to recover the scrap and saw what it said.  She then looked at me and said:  Kwan Seum Bosal is my religion!

One of the best lays I've ever had.

Thanks Dave (my therapist, RIP) wherever you are now.

Now, you guys and gals go.

(By the way, the scrap of paper is now tacked on to my desk at home, for safe keeping.)

and that is good enough for me to call it a religion.  It is one branch of Buddhism.

It does not involve any tenents regarding a deity, but that's fine with me.

Sexuality is only one aspect of that philosphy.

You can be tantric within various creeds. Tantra has a  couple different meanings, but overall it's more of an approach or even a ritual type isn't it?

Be that as it may...

I don't think you can be an active, practicing member of any commonly identified judo-christian "religion" or group unless you are either at odds with your group, in denial or hypocritical, or unless you believe that whatever you choose to believe is OK by God or the Lord or Lemme or whomever you think is in charge of the universe-at-large.  

In any case, I'd imagine most people that are religious and hobby either have to handle tons of guilt, or repress certain ideas to make it through the day, since fucking-at-will is not considered OK by most such standards.

I have no idea what's what, and I say that as a former devout member of such religious groups. All I know is I was born this way (horny) and have no SO right now to scratch my itch.

A man's got to do what a man's got to do.

I cleaned the house.