I have always been curious about a Provider going from bbbj to cbj for personal reasons obviously. Would that change be catostrophic? I have heard of the reverse creating quite a boom in business. Would the change to cbj create a drop in revenue? Even if she had many dedicated clients?

...call, I just won't.

Let's just say that, without the BBBJ, there is a good chance I would end up leaving with everything I came in with.

And you may decide to go to CBJ.

Two of my girlfriends had this happen with seemingly healthy clients who were actually quite ill with disease and they changed to CBJ.

I also had another girlfriend who contracted gonorrhea in her throat from BBBJ.

Everyone is well within their rights to do whatever they feel they need to do to stay safe s and all of this extreme GFE business isn't for everyone despite how much clients demand and pressure providers for it.

All of these clients who tell you that your business and world is going to end because they won't choose you if you CBJ are posting and speaking in their own self-interest and they're plainly wrong.  There are plenty of non-GFE providers banking like GFE providers all day long while maintaining their personal safety boundaries.

Its up to each individual to decide how much risk they're willing to assume and yes, DFKing, BBBJing, CIMing all day with hundreds (or thousands) of strangers over the course of a career presents very real risks.

As long as there were other items of interest on the menu, and she was very accessible and available (fitting into a very busy schedule), it would not be a deterrent, since a bj is more visually stimulating than physically, for me, and not where I like to spend too much time and energy.

Secondly, your girl friends should choose their clients better.

Third, it annoying and irritating when providers put all hobbyists in the same category of not concerned about their health. Most other hobbyists I know are very concerned about their health and hygiene would see some providers if, they paid them. I happen to be one of them, don't pick providers from CL and BP.

The real problem, some providers will see and do anything if, the almighty dollar. Pick your clients and if you are willing to see anyone unhygienic and don't give a damn about their health and appearance, you made bad choice and stop bitching on the board over and over about the same subjects convoluted infinite ways.

Now tell me, what self-interest would I be promoting by posting my thoughts under an alias?  I'm a GFE provider and have made my choices.  My comments simply speak to the fact that providers should make decisions based upon what they are comfortable with and not with what clients demand or insist is a standard in this business.

All three girlfriends who were referenced are above average in rate structure and reputation; I'm not speaking of lot lizards who let some filthy barbarians clutching a crumpled donation in.  

What a stupid assumption you make that any of us can tell what a client carries or what he's capable of choosing not to disclose or are able to just "choose" better clients.

How ignorant and glib of you to suggest that a provider can discern the health of a client based upon any of the superficial devices that providers and clients alike use when deciding who to meet with.   No rate, no set volume, no visual test and no other device will ensure that the person who you are seeing is as vigilant or as honest about their health as you are of yours.

I don't expect to pay a GFE price without GFE services.
If the provider is total eye candy I can relinquish that service, but she had better DFK until my tongue turns blue.

It is my assumption that the lady I see is a professional sex worker who knows what she is doing.

Presumably, she knows how to make a CBJ feel super-fantastic.

I'd expect some guys would skip over her as an option.  Others would weigh the total package and decide she's worth it.  Any one piece isn't as important to everyone.

As far as the dedicated clients, I'd think she was in the best postition to tall about them, we're all different.

and that it will feel just the same, but it doesn't make it true.

There is absolutely no way to make a BJ through a latex barrier feel the same as "mouth on dick" contact. Simply can't be done.

If a lady that I had seen before who had given me a BBJ decided to only offer CBJ to "ME" in the future, I can't imagine a circumstance under which I would see her again.

Each and every woman has the right to set her own limitations as to what she is comfortable in offering, and CBJ is not always a deal breaker for me, but if a lady I had seen before decided to only offer me a CBJ after having given me a BBJ in the past, yes I would take it personally and never book with her again.

so it isn't a deal breaker necessarily.

It's a matter of developing strong tongue muscles.

There are also attractions dealing with other skills and personality to consider.

This is the first I've heard mention of blood infected semen.

Has anyone else ever heard of that?

Huh? Pick clients better? A guy can appear to be squeaky clean, and still be carrying something.

Furthermore, I've had that experience too. Thank GAWD it wasn't CIM...but I had a client ejaculate on my tits. It was an evening appointment and the lights were dim. I got up and went to the bathroom to clean up. His spooge was sh*t brown. I literally puked a little in my mouth when I saw it. Apparently the guy had a prostate biopsy a few days before. It can and does happen.

It comes down to exactly what she was talking about. Every lady has to decide herself what she feels is an acceptable level of risk for her. It has nothing to do with GFE or non-GFE. Its about what she can sleep with at night. If providing CBJ only makes her feel safer, that's her perogative.

One last thing. All clients ARE in a single category. That category being "STD status unknown". Make sense?

For me personally, I don't like sucking on latex, I don't get anything out of it. I have an oral fetish and absolutely love the way the texture of skin feels in my mouth. I like to play with the contour of the dick and enjoy the facial expressions on the gent I am with at the time. A condom totally kills the personal enjoyment for me, but I have learned how to use my mouth and tongue in ways that the gent doesn't' feel like he is missing out on much.

I've had some guys request that I use a cover before I start, and that is their preference. Then there are some who have extra fluids that don't seem to want to wait till that climactic moment. In those situations, yes I will require that a cover be used because I won't take any chances with body fluids.

I don't think it's a deal killer, it's just a change in the target market, which will bring a different clientele than before. How many or how few really depends on the personality and general services provided by the lady.

Yes after prostate surgery I hear it is quite common for weeks after.

1st. The blood is not necessarily a sign that the gent is not healthy. The is actually quite common following surgery for prostate, kidney, bladder, ect...

2nd. I am real tired of the bashing that I see frequently against providers who advertise on CL, & BP. I happen to advertise on BP & am very well reviewed here on TER. In fact most of my adorable, clients came from BP. They are clean, respectful, & reliable. Point is, no matter where you go, "buyer beware" By using BP, I keep my over-head low which keeps my prices reasonable. It's called smart buisness practice. Now may I assist you in gracefully getting off your throne?

I love a good bbbj but I rather have the lady I am having sex with comfortable with her safety. I know a few providers that can make a cbj feel great. Not as good as a bbbj but still great. And with me it is the whole experience that I am looking for not just one part.

No deal breaker here!  As much as I like BB, I prefer to play it safe.

1st. Putting someone's bloody cum in your mouth is not healthy.  No, it's not a sure sign of disease, it's also just not something many of us would ever like to do.

2nd.  CL and BP are regularly trashed because there is much trash there.  In some parts of the country they are pimp infested cesspools that are constant LE targets.  There is a difference between a CL/BP provider, and a well reviewed provider who happens to advertise on CL/BP.  

Why does it bother you what anyone buy your clients thinks of those advertising sites?  The ones who find you here, find you here.  The ones who find you there, find you there.  Sometimes the clients see you in both places.  As long as it's working for you, just do your thing!

... I have never had a CBJ. So you are right -- I am presuming a lot.

I'd give the lady a whirl at it though.

A couple of them are good friends, so will go back, but normally, I would not repeat if CBJ was only option.  Like DFK, BBBJ is one of my deal-breakers.

Yes, I may miss out on some wonderful providers, but that's life in hobbyland....

Swim

A BJ needs to be BBBJ and include, at least, CIM, if not NQNS too!!

“Secondly, your girl friends should choose their clients better”

Really now…..how would you suggest a provider pre-screen a client to guarantee he is NOT going to C-I-her-M with blood infused splooge?

Sola,

I agree with you distinction of a "CL/BP provider vs a well reviewed provider who happens to advertise on CL/BP" but it is the same as any other group bashing.  If I were a two-headed Martian I'd get annoyed seeing others continually bash all two-headed Martians as slovenly and smelly.  I suspect it's the same for someone who advertises on BP and keeps reading "Providers you find on BP are all rip-offs."

If that's your pref, fine.  I don't think it's everyone else's interpretation.  Isn't that why there's a drop down choice on the review search?

I need to jump over to S&P to see if we can start a SmartAl board.  Can't the guy just go see bbbj girls without some snippy comment from Mr Fucking Wonderful, Queen of the White Knights?  Do you ever tire of being a know-it-all?

You sir, are annoying.

Didn't I start my post by clearly saying he had the right to that preference?

What provider did I stand up and defend in my post?

Where did I say my preference is bettr that his, or yours or anyone else's?  Or even that I don't have the same preference?

I didn't jump all over anyone, I stated an opinion in a non-insulting, non-beligerant way without tossing a few F-bombs in anyone's direction.

The only conclusion I can draw is you consider any post I make to be annoying.  Then I suggest you don't read them.

You have a right to draw that conclusion.  See, I can start with a positive as well.

You are compelled by an inner demon to get in the last word.  You're in the top 10 posters on this board, and all of TER.  Don't you see that countless people find you annoying?  Oh, that's right, we're supposed to swerve around your constant drivel because you're possessed by a last-word monster.  C'mon I dare you...don't respond.  I know that you can do it.  Don't let the last-word monster get the best of you.

But bbbj doesnt mean cim.  I dont like the taste of a condom and I value my safety.  I will do bareback but not to finish and if they are the kinda guy that is constantly leaking well I will have them wear a condom. Some people mistake the risk because if no fluid is coming from them and there isnt something visual you can see the risk is minor. At least from my research.  If they arent leakers and dont cim then its like sucking an elbow.

That's much different from
"Providers you find on BP are all rip-offs."

Seriously, there is a board in town here that I refer to as a "venomous pimp infested cesspool".  I tell people not to shop there all the time.  It doesn't mean that all the ladies over there are to be avoided, my insult is not to (all of) them.  It just means there are better and safer places to wade through the options to find good companionship.  Same with CL/BP.  CL/BP have bad reputations as dangerous places to shop.  That's not going to change, I don't care how great any specific provider advertising over there may be.

Hell, check out the eye candy over there, take down some names, then come back HERE to check the reviews when you are making decisions.  
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Do you use that stupid alias just to post "shock factor" posts.  Blood streaked semen!  Jesus Christ!  What a pile of shit!  If the guy was sick enough that something like that would ever happen, it would have been dripping out of his penis long before ejaculation....In fact the pain on ejaculation would have been so intense, he probably would have stopped the process prior to....if he could even get hard!

That is probably one of the most fucked up posts I've seen in a long time!

If you are actually a provider, you are a totally paranoid flake with a wild imagination, and a propensity for lying to get attention adn spook people!   Moron!

gonna lose money from her past clients.  It is probably a big reason she has dedicated clients.
Personally I only have 2 deal breakers.  DFK, and BBBJ!  If one or the other isn't on the menu.....Next!   Others aren't so choosy, and don't mind having a BJ inside a condom.  They probably also jack off with a condom on!

For the ladies who choose to do CBJ, I have no problem with that, I'll just go elsewhere.  There are way too many providers out there who will BBBJ
for me to have to settle for something I don't like.  OTOH, there are a lot of paranoid guys who are more than happy to pay for a CBJ!

It's your business, and your choice, but I don't think long time established clients will be happy with it, and will probably move on!



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and may be a drug addict and carrying something too. All I am saying is that this is an endless argument. Can't generalize anything based on anything.

There is no substitute for common sense and good judgement. Indeed, risk is higher when the numbers are higher.

a top 10 poster
found annoying by countless
always needs the last word....

sounds like self description to me

She plainly asked what would the reaction be if she changed from BBJs to CBJ's, not the merits and drawbacks of offering CBJs vs BBJ in the first place.

Plain and simple, if a woman has been sucking my dick sans condom and suddenly decides she is not ok with that anymore and wants to put a wrapper on before sucking my dick in the future. I would never consider booking a session with that woman ever again. She asked and we answered, or at least two of us did.

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I just stated that the change from bbbj to cbj would not bother me if the rest of the service was great. I just have a different opinion than you.

Ty Al! XO & a wink!

Just doesn't seem conducive to a post to have you come out slinging mud at someone.

Whether or not the alias is a provider or not is irrelevant. What's relevant is that what they stated can and does happen and no socioeconomic study will divide those with good hygiene from those with bad.

I have had very blue collar guys who are squeaky clean and utterly respectful as better clients than lawyers and accountants. It is presumptuious to think that a visual inspection, a position in society, or a job are clues to a client's health on the inside of his body.

Blood in semen can be a derived from many different things, not just an STD, but it is still extremely gross.

Not talking about you Tex.  

I don't know which would be worse, but I've heard of all that happening. However, after four years and no issues, I am fine with BBBJCIM. That one green guy was several HIV tests ago, and he is not coming back, trust me.

Yes, Doctor.......... Yes, Doctor........... Yes, Doctor........ Whatever you say Doctor

you thought the song was about a frog

You are right about the alias thing!  I use them myself all the time.....HOWEVER...this particular alias only comes crawling out with posts like this for nothing more than shock value.  This was just the latest.  And that poster ALWAYS has friends that have had the experience, plus other nasty experiences.  Makes me wonder what kind of friends she/ he hangs out with.

I have no doubt blood in the semen would be gross.  I will also bet that between every provider on this board, with all of their encounters, most have never seen blood in the semen, and never will.  That was my entire point!

I'm going out for another pedicure to clear my head. I love frogs.

And with the hundreds of thousands of encounters which happen daily between clients and sex workers its never seen?

I HAVE seen it personally after removing a condom following intercourse with a client who told me he'd just had a small surgery and it was to be expected.

I'd think that you'd educate yourself about the health of men in advanced years before crawling out from under your rock (look ma! no alias this time!) to spew bile but that's hoping for too much.  How ironic that you accuse me of using MY alias for shock value when you have literally hundreds that you use to insert garbage where none is warranted (just yesterday you had to destroy a positive thread about unusual dates which depictions of "Prima Don HOs" You're just always looking for an internet battle.
Sorry, you won't find one here, good luck with the last word and here's to hoping that you stop self-medicating on TER and get some real therapy.  Oh and drugs.  You're going to need some serious drugs.  BYE!

Please be careful, facts are not always welcome here (EOM)

x

I knew of a couple of young girls who did advertise on cl. The horror stories that came from their experiences helped make my decision to be,and stay,a utr provider. In fact, I thnik in the three years of working,i only saw maybe 75 different clients. None of them ever showed signs of being infected with anything. Thank God.

white collar fellows seemed to saunter in with a huge *kiss my ass* chip on their shoulder expecting me to make them scream uncle for next to nothing. I owed it to them for choosing me one guy told me.Blue collar men were usually much more appreciative,prompt and courteous.

I probably would have only lost one regular client. I was the only provider able to make him cim. He was my best and favorite client though. I wouldn't have been able to work through the hard times if not for him.

some went off on a tangent. It wasn't my intention. I'll try and make any further posts not so difficult to comprehend.

or should get back on!

You and the mindless minions who feel obsessed and threatened by everything I post keep reminding me you would rather I disappear.  I never thought I was always welcome.

Sorry, I don't feel like leaving right now.  Someone has to point out the absurdity of your posts and the meanness of your attitude.

Now, would you like to actually address the TOPIC rather than hijack yet another thread and turn it into a personal attack opportunity?  You know, talk SUBSTANCE.

Look at this thread.  Guys who forcefully make claims that blood in semin doesn't happen, or isn't that big a deal, or that it's somehow the provider's fault that a gut is bleeding.  Someone posts a link to a med web page stating otherwise and the reply?  "Get back on your meds!"  THAT kind of closed mindset is what I find unwelcome.  And yours, that shouts an insult and slinks away.  Who knows, maybe you are two faces of the same Janus, I can't tell.

I've seen ads of many girls who don't do bbbj or partaking of man milk and they seem to do just fine but for someone to switch from bbbj to cbj I dunno. A good amount of mine like the bbbj and there are some I see I make wear a jimmy hat and doesn't stop them from coming. I dunno about catastrophic but it greatly depends on how much of her clients liked bbbj during visits.

That's happened to someone before?  Could she taste the blood? omg ewww ewww eww. I'm sorry for freakin' out but whoa.

same here.....

green what? I'm lost.

So there was like....poo in it? -_o

IMO looks like saying the same thing in 2 different ways.

She's gobbling down on the rest of us.  I even boned her in the ass while she was blowing upncummin.  

i'm no longer a top 10 poster.

I'm sensing you have some stalkers...lol...

Not sure why mods are not stopping the "obvious"...but....your comments seem sane to me. At a very minimum, not veering over into asshat territory.

Then again, given I fall into a category waayyyy worse than MANgina (being a self-identified VAgina), likely any endorsement from me will only serve to stir-up the idjits even more...sigh...

good luck...

I have had it happen to me a day after a really hard session with a provider. It only lasted a day, but it did shock me at first to see blood in the semen the next day. Not painful or sore just blood in the semen.

I thought they were a mob of autograph seekers.  You mean they're not?  I am shocked!  

Thanks for the words of support.

she might have broken something, which would have caused blood in my semen!!!  LMAO