I am going out of town next week to upstate NY and wanted to check out what providers were in the area. I went to a popular website which I can't name here that also has reviews on it and my small head selected a provider immediately.  

But she had no reviews on here. My small head refused to quite because she was that hot so I dug deeper by starting with a search of her phone number. It looked legit and even had the name from her profile associated with it.  

The problems started when I noticed that she had no rates posted on her profile, which I guess is fine as maybe she wants to keep them fluid, but when I did a reverse image search, two of the pics came back belonging to an instagram model who is not a provider as far as I can tell. Plus, this instagram model looked Filipino or Vietnamese and this provider was Caucasian as per her profile (the two pics had the face cropped).

I am not going to book this girl due to lack of reviews here (as I have read here...), but I just wanted to know if this is a common thing providers will do to get clients. Find a woman with similar build and appearance and just use her pics mixed with some real ones? I noticed also that some reviewers say flat out "not the girl in the pics but still hot" and TER allows one of the fields in the review to even say this.

Oh, gosh!  So many red flags!  Stay safe!

Xoxo

Jenny

It is very common for a provider to use fake pics. There are multiple categories these fall under. I have found, usually they are still an escort.

 
One category is what you ask specifically. There are providers that look to use pics that they at least feel somewhat resembles them. I actually had a booker who had a stable of European ladies. She did this for every last one of them. None of the pics were the actual escorts. But all of them were in the same ballpark. The ladies were attractive. But the pics were drop dead gorgeous model types. The actual ladies were usually more homely or girl next door types.

 
Another category is what I call same race bait. This one is popular with Asian agencies or escorts. The pictures look nothing like the provider. You likely get the same hair color. Often, pics are much younger. But the number of clients that literally have no clue because their sensors are broken when it comes to some other ethnic groups is wild. Guys will literally say they are the ladies in the pictures in their reviews. But they clearly are not.

 
Then there are some that anyone can tell are not them. The attempt at looking like the pics isn’t even made. These are just bait and switches. They are banking on you being fooled and not having the balls to walk away when you see them.

 
The last category are not escorts. These can be various things. They are sometimes promotions for a dating/boning site or Onlyfans. They could also be a flat out scam. Big red flag is if they ask for a deposit. There are some that could be a mugging setup. There are others that will try to steal your identity. There’s probably more scams than I can even begin to describe.

 
Be safe out there!

It happens. If you look 👀 many have on their profiles photos not accurate. I never understood why anyone would use false photos. As a professional escort you should always invest in yourself & have accurate photos that represent you at this time.

And this being an unregulated, illegal one, means that the consumer (i.e. the client) has typically more to do in terms of research than any civie service/product. There are so many tools at our disposal for that research and you used them well in this case. This is a great thread for new people to this realm as they can see how one of the ways deception can occur.
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To answer your question, I guess it depends on how you define "common." If you talking about SWs at large and in general, yes, sadly it's a rather common practice. But if you are talking about women that use TER and are reviewed here, I would say it's mostly uncommon.  
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But that is my experience and others may have different ones. Guys who often TOFTT will run across what you are saying routinely but most of them have the knowledge and experience to avoid the charlatans. I am not part of that group, for the most part, so my research is a bit less extensive as I am seeing easily verifiable women for the most part.

It is marketing. Just like the big Mac is not going to look anything like the marketing pic. The pics of me on my website are actually me, I do not photo shop or use AI. The funny thing is when I meet a new client they often tell me I look much better in person than in my pics. I think I look the same. We are so accustomed to seeing an image of a person or item that has been doctored that when we see an authentic pic of that person or thing it is like the brain cannot even process that they are the same. Should providers do this? I don't think so. Do most providers do this? I don't think most do but there is a large percent. Guys think they are going to be with a smoking hot model but in reality she is average. Providers are counting on getting you in the room, you being horny, and you thinking with the little head and not the big one. This is also why so many providers lie about their age. I am 45 years old and I look 45 years old. I also get all the time "you look so much younger!" No, you have been with women who are 45-50 and tell you they are 37 so that is what your brain thinks a 37 year old woman looks like. Again, marketing.

This is very common among Asian agencies.

A big deal is made about provider safety and whatnot...not every client is going to appreciate arriving at the hotel (or wherever) expecting a 25 year old fitness chick with a slim-thick hourglass figure and instead gets a 35 year old former fitness chick that has since put on about 15 lbs, but it otherwise the same....(embellished example, of course...)

Reactions can vary and not all of them will just leave without another word....

Me personally, as long as she has the body that is advertised in her profile(s), I'm cool with it.

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I'm also incredibly hot so like why bother lolol

Recently an escort was advertising using my photos she had stolen. I found out when a former client of mine posted about it on another board, although I don’t show my face, he recognized a tattoo of mine.  
Crazy thing is that she described herself as petite and slender while using my pics - I am tall and curvy.  

 
While it’s frustrating to spend money on professional photos and have some low end thief use them I guess I should be flattered - lol!

"Every business is capable of deception".

Well, sure. Why don't we take it further.

Every person is capable of deception.

Doesn't mean it's a good thing.  I hope we agree that people who deceive others in what they're selling should be held accountable as much as possible, no? The activity being illegal shouldn't be used as a justification of these practices.  

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In fact, let's stretch it even further.

Every person is capable of killing another person.  

 
Doesn't mean we go around killing people just cuz we have capability to. I also haven't heard the logical construct of "it's illegal therefore not enforced" when it comes to things like that.

you have been using on the Kgirl board since 2020.  You continue to ignore the fallacy in your premise by not accepting the distinction between a legal and illegal business.  Robert, like many before him, made that his first point, and you deflect.

Yea, I mean nobody justifies the actions of a scummy seller, liar or rip-off artist. I just recognize that illegal businesses and activities will attract shady people and take steps to protect myself. Rocket says nobody wants to hold escorts accountable. We do we just recognize we have limited options at our disposal. If an escort steals my deposit, I can't call the cops because in the process I would be admitting to an attempted crime. Clients are a perfect victim for ripoffs. That's why most of us take steps to protect ourselves instead of just complaining about shit on the board.

I think the limited recourse is the key, so it's incumbent on the customer to build some protections for himself into the process he/she decides to use to engage in P4P.   Most of the after-the-fact sob stories that appear on this board could have been avoided if the customer had considered what could go wrong before diving in head first.

And yet not a soul ever seems to side with him here. He is right and every other consumer here is wrong? Is that really what he believes? That is certainly the impression he gives.

on the Kgirl board that he does have some minions who buy into this argument on other Kgirl discussion boards (not TER), but if they follow his advice on push-back and get BL'd by an agency booker, the become less supportive of his crusade.   He has many stories of young mongers who gave bookers a hard time and now can't get an appointment.  He posts them on the Kgirl board without realizing that this is further proof that there is no consumer protection dealing with an illegal business.  I'm sure it's not the last time he will make this argument here.  

"ignoring the fallacy"

There is no fallacy here.

 
Someone who deceives their own customers is a piece of shit, legal OR illegal.

It's that simple.

You on other hand think because it's illegal they are no longer pieces of shit and are not held accountable or should not be complained about.  

But I forget I'm talking to someone who thinks korg bookers are always in the right. And if there's a bad customer story this means the customer themselves has done something wrong.

Ie, you are a piece of shit yourself.

I didn't really say that. I said because of sentimental and sexist reasons people don't criticize sellers who engage in questionable practices, enough. And they use the "buh buh it's illegal" excuse, which is a garbage excuse that is convenient.  

 

And my response to Robert in this thread was because he mentioned me by name and the stated that "every business is capable of deception".

He is already making excuses! Attempts to normalize deception.

You know what would be an appropriate response?
Anyone who attemtps to deceive a customer en route to profit is a piece of shit in any business. Customers don't like being lied to.  

 
But Robert will never say this. He will want information that a seler lies and robs etc. But he will never, ever call them out publicly.  

 
That's the difference.

What's that, another attempt to appeal to majority?
Yawn

What am being wrong about? That anyone deceives or attempts to trick their own customers that help them make money, is a bad actor and should be called out loudly and clear and publicly?  

 
"disciples". What is this, a cult? Note the phrasing Robert uses. I never said follow what I said. Im here to condemn bad behavior by sellers. A practice (the condemnation) extremely common in any consumer hobby. Consumers don't like sellers deceiving.  

 
You look the other way and think YOU are in the right? Did your university teach you that?

Notice what the question was by the op

 
" I just wanted to know if this is a common thing providers will do to get clients"

Very straightforward question.

 
The answer to this, is a clear and resounding "yes it's common practice and yes people who do that are dishonest"

Yet Robert's answer start was "but every business is capable of deception"

It's not even subtle. He attempts to normalize the practice. Instead of saying yes sellers do it and they're bad actors.  

This is basically whataboutism and deflection. And that's a common thing with anyone who doesn't out right condemn the deceiving practices.  

Note how quickly he shifts the burden to the buyer and research blah blah. What about consequences for sellers who do this? Yeha Robert can't even call them out on the board. Sad ain't it?  

 
It's almost like he give an indulgence to these sellers because they sling pussy. Oh wait that's exactly why!  

It's okay because it's illegal and it's OK because paid access to pussy is viewed by some (like you, 420) as a privilege when it's a bought for service.

Listen, I’ve gone after Robert plenty of times for his inconsistency. I agree he is always downplaying risks and coming up with excuses for bad behavior while simultaneously being very strict with his screening and selection criteria. Plus, the site wouldn’t function well if every client on here adopted Roberts methods. He doesn’t TOFTT and sticks to highly reviewed providers.  
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Now you keep mentioning consequences for sellers but, what do you think these consequences should be and who is responsible for enforcing them? If a provider steals your deposit you can write ripoff report. If a provider is deceptive you can write a negative review. If a provider is delisted on TER you can trash her on another site. What else do you think should happen and how should we make it happen? We can’t get the cops involved, they might arrest us. We can’t go to court for the same reason. What do you think we should do? What more do you want? The only thing we can do is bitch online. All your tough talk is meaningless because there isn’t anything you can do to change the things you’re upset about. That’s why nobody ever takes your side on this. You’re just complaining about “customer’s rights” without actually offering any advice on what to do. Meanwhile, advice like “buyer beware” and “do your research” is actually good advice that does help.

an admission by you that your are in the minority in the way you think that consumer rights should apply somehow to P4P.   Good luck EVER getting anything close to a majority to agree with you, Mr. Quixote.   Lol

From us. From mongers.  

I already said, just calling out bad behavior would be a good first step. Online criticism is a big deal. Simply looking the other way to me, is akin for walking past a fight where someone is being brutally plummeted. I can't do it. Not when fellow guys get deceived right and left. And unlike in a street fight there are tools to intervene, and they involve using your voice on online platforms.  

 
Robert will never do that. That jab he took towards me in this topic when I was minding my own business? Do you think he *ever* makes a jab like that at a provider who complains about something? Lol.

 
When people use illegality to justify bad behavior, it works both ways. But do you see Robert defending or normalizing bad customer behavior towards the seller because it's illegal? Yeah exactly. Never. NEVER.  

But to defend bad behavior by seller by claiming it's illegal - hes always here to do that. Just like cdl is always here to do it for the korg booker.  

 
I'm just appalled and pissed about the hypocrisy that's exhibited and thrown - in an intellectually dishonest way-right at my face. And I did go a little bit overboard but I was fuming.

 
Last but not least, I don't need anyone to take "my side" on this. I am fine with dealing with hypocrites who are biased against the consumers, all by myself. Hypocrites who consistently justify shitty behavior of sellers. And I will call out sellers by name, directly, in public. I have no problem doing this. I have done this on here before. I don't have a problem of criticizing anything or anyone.
I stopped caring about what people think of me a long time ago. I'm not here to be friends with anyone. I'm here to make sure customers side gets its voice heard and not drowned out by people who are sexist or biased against clients and just are a part of echochamber for providers.  

 
As far as what can we do further?  

Well I had the idea of instituting an online wiki that would aggregate recent and historic customer complaints in this biz.  
These complaints are issued often but ignored by most of the board. I once pulled up an old complaint and made sure it got a lot of attention and that clown cks was hating on me.  

Wouldn't it be nice if it automatically was inserted in the wiki right across from the agency name. So then anyone who wants to check any issues reported with agency could do it.  

 
The main thing is that one needs to want to do it. Robert doesn't actually want to do it. It's not that it's illegal, he just wants to defend the sellers and their business. He doesn't want to criticize them, even if it was legal. That's the real issue.

You can't ask people who would take mongers being deceived over provider losing the business, to criticize providers. They clearly have different priorities and don't respect mongers enough. All I can do is showcase every time how hypocritical they are.

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