i all,

Wanted to get the boards opinion on what, if anything, should I infer on providers that don't screen?

I initially reached out to a visiting provider to let them know I would like to meet them but had a question on their tour dates. They clarified the dates and were basically like " when do you want to meet?".

So now I have a date next week and realized she did not ask for any screening info - nada, zilch.

This is an established provider that has been around for years with 4 pages of reviews.

Is this a red flag I should be listening to? LE, scam, just plain unsafe? She has many very good reviews.  

Thanks for any thoughts on the matter

You did not say how you contacted her. Was it directly through her email, by filling out her booking form or through one of the verification sites? Depending on how the contact was made, they may have done some light screening without you knowing.

If she has tons of reviews and some are recent and you are confident that you communicated with her (and not someone else) then your chances are good.

Hope this helps

You just didn't realize it.  There are various methods to verify someone, which I won't divulge for obvious reasons.

(BTW, everyone, tibo is not referring to me.)

I have seen a few that haven't screen and it hasn't been a problem.  One lady I contacted via text after seeing her ad on Eros and we just went straight into setting the date/time.  Another lady I contacted via TER PM and she said that since I was Whitelisted I was fine and we proceeded to set a date/time.  I suppose it all depends on her routine and comfort level in the area she is touring.  I wouldn't say it is a red flag, as you stated she is an "established provider that has been around for years with 4 pages of reviews."  If you're saying that she has many very good reviews then I doubt she is LE.

some providers don't screen a lot... bad for them.. not your issue.. If she has all this reviews.. (or just some recent one's) not LEO.. It's their decision, not yours...  
I saw a girl a few weeks ago.. I tried to email her from my P411 account, so she could screen me. I was traveling, so all I had was my phone.. For some weird reason, every time I put any text in the text box on P411.. the "send" button would disappear.. so I couldn't send her a PM so she could link to me on P411.. she texted me back, that was OK..  so she had no clue what I was about.. I gave her my handle here, but that is far from the same info she could get from P411.. except that I was not LEO..  so not your problem.. she should screen better.. she doesn't..

Worried?
how do U know you weren't screened?
There are many ways of "screening".
I don't see the guarantees in Screening with data.

There are new rules in the Ho Bible that say a provider is supposed to run a client through the mill:
two or more established provider references
Drivers License
Real Life information, Phone, address
Employment Verification
Raking the internet for any other information  
Pictures
and more are being added daily

AND,  
the girls that Don't Do this Verification Protocol  
are ridiculed by the providers that are writing this Ho Bible  
and tagged as "unsafe".

Just look at the Fear she put in you:
"Is this a red flag I should be listening to? LE, scam, just plain unsafe? "
It's working.... You are one who will feel better when you hand over your Life to Provider.

 

Guess what ,
there are some providers that don't need your Paper Balls in her hands to feel Safe.
Some just like the real ones to have Fun.

But if I have to ask for your Life, in Paper form, just to get your cock in my mouth,  I will

screning info (P411 ID, etc...) in my initial contact with a lady. Some do more screening than others, but all have done some type of screening except for a few dangerous BP forays I made when I first discovered the hobby.  

Why would anyone want to reach out to a provider without including some screening info and a specific request in the initial contact?

I wonder what the
 
Amount of Reviews    
and      
The Numbers

are like now, as compared to the time before we collected All Real Life Information.

That she is a fool, taking risks with her safety and wellbeing. There is plenty of bad clients out there. That is all it means. But remember this if she does not give a damn about her safety she likely doesn't give a damn about yours. It does not mean she is unsafe but it is something to think about.

Yes, this business has a certain amount of risk.
So does surgery and driving a car,  etc.
The risk can be calculated and a move can be made.
Remember, No Risk, No Goodies.
Shit does not just get handed to you , usually.
I think they rely too much on data now and not enough on really learning about people.

This is the "PEOPLE" BUSINESS.
A girl can KNOW People and be just as Safe as Collecting Data.
She has to also not be on drugs or drink.
Read some of Joe Navarro's books, if you do not know what I am talking about.

"Plenty of bad clients"  
Experience with people and Trusting what you know, gives the ability to dodge bad clients.

I am not a "fool" because I don't need your Driver's License to FEEL Safe.


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I can find out every detail about a client with very limited info. And if I can't (burner number) I'll ask for additional screening information.  

Just pointing out there are screening methods beyond references.

I never claimed there is only one way to screen. If you have a real non-burner phone number or a verifiable and traceable email there is several of ways to look up real information about the person who owns the account. I have done such myself a time or two. That could very well be how the lady in question screens. I just said anyone not screening is being a fool. That goes for us clients too. Everyone should screen everyone in this game.

Thanks for the insight everyone. Much appreciated. To clarify - all she has is my email address. I did not provide references off the bat because I did not want to bother my references if I wasn't sure I was going to see her. I would have provided screening info once she clarified some details.

Very interesting that she might have screened me via email - I would be very surprised if that was it though.  

 

Again thanks everyone.  

T

Look I know too many people that got really, really hurt from not screening. One lady got busted and lost her professional licences she was earning. Anther lady I know had her kid taken after she was sent to jail for a month. It took a bit over a year to get her kid back after release despite no child endangerment or abuse issues. I have a close lady friend that was brutally raped and beaten after she refused BBFS. It really messed her up. I don't want bad things to happen to good people because they was playing the fool for not mitigating the risks of this when possible.

As for trusting what you know, that isn't good enough. My friend who was raped and beaten did that too. I bet most of the Craigslist killers victims used that method too. You should never ignore your gut but most truly evil people are the best liars.

I never claimed you need to see someones drivers license to be safe. There is plenty of ways of verifying someone besides that. I said anyone not screening is being a fool. And true everyone plays a fool sometimes, it just isn't a good way to run ones business or life. Most if not all long term successful businesses do what they can to mitigate risk. Risk is part of life and there is always risk and I give you that you must take some risks to get the goodies. But, unnecessary risk is just foolish. Not screening is an unnecessary risk.

I stand firm in my belief that anyone provider or client in this game not screening is being a fool. I know too many good people that got hurt to see it otherwise. Hell I myself had some not so nice experiences when I failed to screen my paid dates properly.

I once had a lady no show, so I called the 2nd number on my wish list. Of course, I had an array of references, but when the 2nd lady answered she simply said, 'come on over'. I decided to approach this with caution, and simply check out the scene at her hotel. When I walked in, I knew I was safe. It was the greatest incall I've ever seen. She had turned her hotel room into a high end European brothel. She became an atf before the session even started. Then she threw me up against the wall, and kissed me hard.  

After that first perfect session, I felt comfortable enough to ask her about her non screening methods. She said she had a sixth sense for LE, and that she could tell by my voice I was safe. I had no reason to doubt her. Later in the hobby, after years of experience, I too developed a second sense that saved me in a few situations. Still, one has to be lucky. I think you're safe, but it wouldn't hurt to approach with caution.

You might not have claimed that there is only one way to screen, but you most definitely implied that if a provider does not overtly screen you that you are at higher risk by seeing her. That is patently untrue and lumps the MOST professional women right in with the least.

There are a LOT of women who have been doing this for many years who have no problems screening someone without asking for more than a board handle or a phone number, depending on the guy of course and how secretive he is trying to be. The more secretive the guy, the more information the lady is going to have to actually ask him directly.  

Take a guy like me for example, all a woman would need to COMPLETELY screen me if she's been at this for any length of time is my name, or my handle here, or my phone number, or even just the email address that I sent my inquiry from. She wouldn't need all this info, but just ONE of these items to find out all she wanted to know about me.

Your advice while well intentioned, is WRONG and you most certainly are suggesting to the guys that if the lady doesn't ask them a ton of questions she is too risky to see. And quite frankly that is complete and utter BULLSHIT.  Yes, I have noticed you have backed off a bit from your earlier statement, but your earlier statement is still there for all to see. You need to back way the fuck off your earlier statement, not just a half step back.

BTW you seem to have the worst luck of anyone I have ever met in this business or any other. Do you wear a sign that says "kick me"??? You've been raped, beaten, robbed, the list goes on and on, while other guys like myself have had literally THOUSANDS of sessions without having experienced any of the bullshit you have gone through. Have you ever considered the possibility that you have brought some of these bad things that have happened to you on yourself? The odds of this many bad things happening to one person are simply off the charts. No wonder you are a humorless fuck, If my luck was as bad as yours, I would have had my sense of humor surgically removed as well.  So lighten up Francis and tell the OP he doesn't need to worry that someone is going to jump out of the closet when he gets to his appointment with this very well reviewed provider

Not everyone is obvious about screening.

Yes I screen, but I dont need to ask 100 questions to know what I need to know. I always want to make sure we BOTH feel safe and comfortable so we can enjoy our  time together.  

Plus when I speak on the phone with someone, I dont care if they have 20 references from 3 sites, if my spider sense tingles, It's don't go

It is true I brought a lot of the bad things that has happened to me at least partially upon myself. I have played the fool many times in this life and in the hobby. The one time I got robbed I did so fucking things wrong it was almost comical. First I didn't screen,  I didn't think it was possible. Then I dealt with an upseller. I had a decent amount of cash on my person beyond the donation. Then I let the thief see I had the cash. I let it so it was easy for her to grab and go. One could not entirely incorrectly argue I was definitely wearing a sign saying kick me that day.

My rape and beating had nothing to do with this game. Yes I did some stupid ass shit that day too. But no one deserves that. Why you insist on bringing it up each time you disagree with me, is baffling to say the least. Now let's be clear, I personally have never been raped in the hobby. I do know two ladies who have, but my rape had nothing to do with the subject matter.

Most if not all of my issues I have had in this game came from not screening or ignoring red flags when I did. Yes, I have played the God damn fucking fool more than once. Yes I fucking wore a damn kick me sign. That is exactly what not doing ones homework is. Yes, I brought it down on myself.

Now as I said there are many valid ways to screen. If you have a TER name you can look up a guys reviews and contact a few. If you have a real and traceable phone number or email address it can be looked up for a real full name. With that one can learn a scary amount of information about most people. References and screening sites work as well. There is a great many ways to screensure including many I did not list. This I agree with.

Now as far as women not screening being higher risk, that was not exactly what I said. I said. and I am paraphrasing, someone who doesn't look after safety likely would not look after yours. Which is true. All I ment was he take responsibility for his own safety in screening her. I point blank said it does not mean she is unsafe.

And yes I lump ever God damn person including myself the time I failed to do so in this hobby of ours... ANYONE NOT SCREENING IN THIS GAME IS A GOD DAMN FUCKING FOOL! I know this as I played the part. I know people that played the part and payed a very steep price. I will not back down from that.

The OP does not have to worry about someone jumping out of the closet if he did his homework and it sounds like he did, just because he can't tell how or if she screened. He just has to worry about that if HE failed to screen her.

BTW, did you or did you not once find yourself in the same room as LE in this game? Shit has happened to you too. You just got lucky the cop just wanted an open and shut case and you knew to shut up, so he let you go.

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that one of their customers is either the police chief, or a judge.

So I just tap on the subject line, hit "enter," and it sends my PM. Same as if the "send" button was there.

the cup is half Full
or
the cup is half Empty.

there are a lot of Good people
or
there are a lot of Bad people.

I choose to believe there are a lot of Good people.
I have a few scrapes with bumps in the road.
I have the backbone to accept my mistakes as my responsibility, learn, and make the necessary corrections on my path.
I don't curl up and rot away in fear of new experiences because of it.

I can tell you this:
the outlook of "looking for the Good" has filled my life full and overflowing with Good events and things.

Scoed and others that want to wear your cloak of Fear and crawl around blubbering and worrying
about shit that hasn't happened,  
more power to ya.
You are attracting the Bad, by your focus on it.

 
I'm going to be over here  
having more Good experiences, Fun, and Orgasms!

Yes, I know what you mean,

"MY GUT Screening"

is more critical than the data in front of me.

For information. Sometimes I have questions, and a good way to get questions answered is to ask.

END OF MESSAGE

Thanks for the info on this recurrent problem.

I think that is sort of wrong on her part as screening is part of who we meet. I know it can be uncomfortable for the man, but this is for our safety and protection. I just would of thought someone that has been doing this would at least screen something. Very weird. Kinda scary actually.

but you are wrong about what happened.

I don't usually give all the details because 99.99% of the time you can only talk your way INTO jail, not out of it, but in my case I was that other .o1% of the time as I actually had to talk my way out of arrest as the cop thought I was the pimp and not just a customer.  

Your original post was also VERY wrong, but you have backed way off your original statement to a point where I "can" agree with you. Your first post was not helpful at all, and did a huge disservice to women who can screen without asking a bunch of invasive questions. Anyone taking THAT post of yours at face value might find themselves writing off the MOST legitimate and safest providers thinking they were the riskiest due to your VERY bad advice in your first post.