I've been reading some reviews latley and I've read where the guy rubs the providers clit with his cock that doesn't have a condom on.

Is this safe?

Do you do it?

Many an ATF  and I have done this, but she takes the lead. Very pleasurable through the years.

Another erotic addition is the camel slide, esp with a big giant clit and ample lips. Again only with ATFs.

Is it safe? Well IME, never caught anything thus far. With ATFs.

Peace and enjoy,
Lance

If either the provider or hobbyist has a STD that can be transferred by that much contact then a condom isn't going to give you that much more protection. The only way to be totally safe is to wrap yourself in cellophane and masturbate while you wave to her from across the room.

Is it safe? Duh, no. Does it happen? Duh, yeah.

Easily transmitted in this way:
Herpes
GC
Chlamydia
Syphilis

You should actually know this.  It's not exactly breaking news.

... as the others above have answered uncovered cock to clit or pussy lips (guess that'd be privates to privates massage) isn't safe.  

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That's like asking the question 'Do providers really let guys go in them bareback?'  Of course they do.

Is it safe, no, but neither is a BBBJ

Guys do attempt to do this I would never let anyone do this.I have had a couple of guys attempt to do this which is blocked by my hand and me asking what is he doing?The guys said"I am just trying to rub on you and nothing else."This makes me extremely uncomfortable and the rest of the appointment I was very uptight.If a guy is trying to do this it makes me wonder if other providers have let him do this or is this a slick way of trying to do BBFS.Either way I do not like it!
Now,if he wants to wrap it up and then rub fine no problem and even better if he wants to use his tongue but no parts of a guy's bare dick is touching below the waist.Not happening!
What do these guys be thinking?Oops..they are not thinking.

.... it's not just the guys moving to do that first. I've read many of reviews saying along the lines of "she grabbed my cock and rubbed it on her clit until she came"...stuff like that.  I've always figured that's what privates to privates by massage in someone's profile means (that they allow bare penis to vagina rubbing).

He can't touch your toes, knees, shins, thighs? I'm sure that is not what you meant. Just having fun with your post

Body Condom

Any unprotected contact with the lady can transmit STD's.

I once had a lady climb on top, and rubbed herself against me uncovered until she came. Then she put a cover on me and ...

Lol!Well,those areas are not off limits just the private area.

Posted By: perfectstorm

He can't touch your toes, knees, shins, thighs? I'm sure that is not what you meant. Just having fun with your post

You THINK you have never caught anything thus far, though if you are playing this game you are very likely a carrier of HPV.  There is not a way to test/screen men as carriers.  It can be totally harmless to you with no symptoms, and can give your female partners cervical cancer.

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/hpv/statistics/

And the odds are very good they had it long before they started providing.  I'm not trying to minimize its risk, but seriously - it's incredibly common, particularly with anyone who has a history of sexual activity, even if it's covered.  And I suspect that most providers have pretty extensive sexual histories prior to entering the industry (unless they're forced into as teenagers, which is a different beast all together).  

The same is true of herpes.  But then, people here like to pretend that it is not incredibly common as well...

But HPV is dangerous to EVERYONE. It's just as dangerous for women and men.  What's dangerous is the link between HPV and oral cancer. At most of the conferences I have attended the last few years, this link has been a major topic. There is an interesting article in TIME magazine that discusses the oral cancer Pandemic. One of the main causes for the increase is the increase and acceptance of oral sex - performed on a man or a woman. oral cancer is deadly and can be disfiguring to your mouth and face. Not pretty. With an estimate of up to 80% of the population having contracted this disease the risk is significant.

As a dental professional, I felt obligated to provide this information. I just found this site and came across this post but was intending to post about lady hobbiest if there is such a thing lol. I'm a woman BTW

HPV isn't harmless in men as it can lead to three different cancers in us men. We just can't test for it. The risk is real for us as well.

Edited to add a photo of Sandik A from Met-Art.com and to fix some minor errors.

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I'm a CBJ provider, and thought there was only so far I should push the point under my actual handle in this thread... so I kept my reply only as a response to the gent who thinks he has nothing simply as he hasn't tested positive for anything in his physicals.

Those who have brought up the oral sex and cancer information are typically considered "Chicken Little" in these parts. I appreciate that you have more balls than I.
; )

I thought I was clear in saying that HPV
*CAN*
be totally harmless to men, I did not mean to imply that it IS totally harmless to men.  

My main point was that HPV can show in women via pap smear (IFF it creates abnormal cell growth), and there is no such basic screening for men.  A "clean bill of health" from the doc, doesn't mean... dick.  This is an alarmingly common disease.  Players who like to rub their junk on mucous membranes are probably carriers, and they are probably passing it on to their loved partners in the form of potential cancer.  Irresponsible fuckers (literally) piss me off.  I won't even get started on the fools who enjoy BBFS...

I completely agree. After someone does this, it makes the remainder of the appointment uncomfortable, as I feel like I have to watch his every move super close... guys who do this are also more likely to pull a slip-n-slide from my experience.

Shit!  Thanks for the wake-up call.

When Gardasil is approved for men I'm gonna be the first dick in line.

Read the article for some sobering facts.

no pun intended


HalfHour

going to profiles and then search under massage with a click on privates to privates.

It's so easy for the guy to push the envelope and take full advantage of his position.

No, it's not safe for either person and who knows who will be giving what to who.

Kisses Haley

I've been with a girl who's not GFE and not what I call my regular.  She always does CBJ and everything covered, and even NO DATY.  But last time I saw her,  I got hard and she let me rub my hard cock (no cover) around her pussy mound.  When I got hard, she slip on the cover and did CBJ and I fucked her hard.

Unlike herpes in most instances the immune system clears HPV and ones does not become a carrier.  In fact many of us may have develop an immunity protecting us against re-exposure  to any particular HPV strain

http://hpvforum.com/hpv-clearance.asp

If you have been playing this game for long you are likely have develop a level of immunity