Do you ALWAYS take care of the business end of the transaction before playtime? This includes regulars and first timers.  

business after...at least for me...if i do not trust someone to be honorable then i just will not see them in the first place...i do my own vetting and i have yet to be disappointed

Even a regular will respect that that's how I feel more comfortable doing business .even though were comfortable with one another its just part of the routine and they are respectful enough to comply with that.even though I doubt one of my regulars would rip me off you have to keep a set order to how things run,that's  just business.i would never go fourth with a session in that case whether 1st time client or 100 th time.it would be great if we could trust everybody but unfortunately that's just not how things work... I even had two client who were screened and all and one of them shorted the donation by far and the other as you were saying the playtime just kicked off with no mention or thought of a donation and afterwards he tried to come up with an excuse saying he has no money in the bank even though he was staying at a super nice hotel and supposedly there for business....and you would never expect that from that type of client..  I even told him I have a square reader and accept credit card... So that's just a nightmare!! So yes.. always!!!

It certainly wouldn't bother me with a regular client to be given the envelope after the date, before he left me, if things got heated up immediately. However, I have never had a gentleman walk in and not immediately put the envelope out, or have it waiting and easily visible if I am going to an outcall.

Why would I risk going through an entire session with some guy that may or may not have my donation in the correct amount? I'm able to become "immersed in the moment" because I'm being compensated. No money... and suddenly I don't feel so excited to be with you. The women you've been with that have let you get away with that are foolish imho. And you're a jerk for not placing the money down as soon as you arrive, it alleviates any possible stress for her and it only takes two seconds.

When that money has been counted and put away, I suddenly feel "immersed in the moment".

I always pay at the end of the session. This is for every provider I see. My ATF and back up ladies and even the new ones I see. I will never ever pay upfront again.

for the rest of the story....

I normally drop the donation as I undress, but not with women I see regularly as sometimes they go over and above the "call of duty" and I drop a bit (or quite a bit) extra if the appointment runs over or they make me feel especially generous.  

I wouldn't be surprised if you find that "business" really picks up after this post

eloquently stated. You're seeing me because you want to. The money is primary, but what did you say your phone number is ... lol

...I do that so I won't get caught up in things and forget. I have to think it puts her mind at ease too.

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greet you at the door, start passionately making out with you, say let's take this to the bedroom and throw you on the bed a have her way with you. Too bad!

out of well over a Hundred, where the provider counted the money and put it away? Did the John have to close his eyes so he didn't see where you hid it? 😚

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did I say that is my MO ..  no, but you certainly made that distinction.
And as for being a target ... my referral network has enabled me to see everyone I've wanted to see. I usually like sassy, but in your case, I might make an exception.  Lol

And that's why there's tons of ladies out there... Some of which probably don't have a problem with that...no one I see would ever make me ask...if anyone ever made me that would be my last session with them as well...I feel its a sign of respect to honor someone's wishes...

...I don't want anything outstanding to make the lady the slightest bit uncomfortable - even a regular.  

.....to greet her, chat for a minute, jump in the shower, and leave the envelope in the bathroom on the vanity. She will usually check on it after our session. I don't recall ever having a lady check on it before the fun began. I guess I just have an honest face

I'm talking about those moments when something clicks and it's off to the races. Are you saying NEVER with a first timer? Just asking  

after going in there to WASH his hands and then I went in after, closed the door and counted it and "put it away".  

i do believe they meant me being an easy target

has had that one guy who ripped her off either the total amount or part thereof because she was nice and did not want to make him feel uncomfortable.  

You're reading soooo much into my OP. Did anyone but you say "making a big deal" about anythibg.

I made the mistake once of trusting a new client because he lives on Park ave and is a well known person...the guy deliberately forgot a 100 even though he said he was a good counter... sadly the truth is I don't want to ruin the experience but its necessary and yes I find myself having to ask but once I do  its always displayed on the coffee table I dont like when dates put it in the washroom.

I broached the question about that rare EXCEPTION ... eh

They allow hookers to vett johns and the boards also allow us johns to get a feel about you ladies and if we would be a good fit or not.

ha, yeah, I mostly agree...
My "routine" is to always pay up front, but like Gambler I have had multiple dates with some women and we have developed a level of relationship that included trust.  I have generally still offered payment upfront unless the woman insisted, "leave it till later"  I follow her lead in those cases.  On more than one occasion I have been with women who I have come to know well, offered the payment and been told this date is on her....okay!!!  I didn't even need the Jack Dunphy training to get that OTC date!  LMAO  Also like Gambler, I'm a single monger who has been in relationships with “sex workers” for most of my years.   That said, I think that the SOP for most P4P situations is that the monger respect the woman's policy. Based on the comments of several women who have posted on this thread it is clear that they would not like surprises when it comes to the payment.  Pay up front!
Some guys just have to push the limits though...LOL

only once did i forget to lay the envelope down at the beginning; the lady was so attractive and enjoyable, we began chatting then got into making out, then she stopped and asked, "shall we take care of the donation?" and i apologized for forgetting and pulled it out (the envelope, you nasty minded perverts, the envelope!) and then we proceeded.

after a session, the pheromones get me so groggy that I'm afraid I'd forget about it entirely.  (This has happened a couple of times, to my great embarrassment.)

I don't get your point? That this is the rule rather than the exception. Ripoff happen both ways, but it's not why I didn't pay up ftont im those few instances.  

I always drop the donation on the closest desktop to the door and make it evident.  I don't want her thinking - is he going to pay me?   Does he have the right donation?    

It may be confusing for the readers because there doesn't seem to be anything in the OP that indicates you regarded it as a rare exception.

I have had sessions where a kiss at the door led to 45 minutes of non stop action before we ever came up for air, obviously the donation was still in my pocket that whole time. It happens and it happens more often than a lot of hookers care to admit.

never saw her count my envelope; never even saw her look at it!

It truly concerns me that you're doling out your "OMG BBFSCIP $60 ALL PROVIDERS ARE COOL WITH XYZ I NEVER PAY UP FRONT" shit on the Newbie Board. I still can't figure out if you're a troll but regardless, your absurd "advice" could cause a lot of people a lot of problems.

in understanding my post in the first place. Of course it happens, but not every provider plays that way. And that's fine. Now I'm kicking and screaming? LOL ...  

Agreed.
His start out sentence was "Do you ALWAYS take care of the business end of the transaction before playtime? This includes regulars and first timers."

when I wrote most instances, i can see how it could be interpreted to mean that was my MO. I meant "when most instances that it DID happen" ... that's ok, that would probably be misinterpreted too ... lol
Ciao

it's the admission ticket into the arena.  Even if I have seasons tickets I have to give the ticket up every time before entering the stadium.   Maybe it's just me but I have clients too, and I don't like waiting to be paid and my regulars especially know better and pay up front. I will assume that's true of everyone I deal with; namely they don't want to have to wait to get paid either

I get the impression that you were not too fond of soft_licks reply where she, and now I want the cash in order to get things going and that we would stop mid dfk to ask for it. Just the impression I got. Maybe too businesslike for you.  

We aren't allowed to knock him around on the Newbie board like he so richly deserves.

But I haven't been in this game all that long. I'm not saying there is zero possibility, but it would never be the norm for a first timer. There would have to be a LOT of mental foreplay for that to be the case I think.

I'd have no problem if you stopped and reminded before things got to a point of no return. I want you as comfortable as possible, right? Happy wife ... ooops, wrong proverb.  

or leaving it out in a noticeable spot if it's outcall. The main exception is AMPs where the mamasan gets the house fee upfront, but the provider gets "tipped" at the end.  

To be clear, I never said that there was anything wrong with that type of situation at all. You asked a question, and I responded with MY personal experience. There was no judgement behind it, so maybe you are the one misinterpreting if you read that between the lines.  

and when that happens, I sometime have to get the covers out of my pocket too. That's when I MAY get the money, but at that point, in my few cases, she didn't care. Just saying what happened.  

sorry if that's happened to you or anyone. Sadly, it happens in every business.

We each get what we need from the transaction. Some guys like paying for it more than others. Which I find hotter.

If you know the drill so well you would realize that it is widely know that the trick leaves the donation in bathroom and the hooker pops in and checks it...then they get down to business.

I often will bring a small gift or wine to a session/
When I do that I leave the envelope with the wine or gift I the bag/
On one occasion as I was leaving the provider said "did you forget something"
Lightbulb turned on and we open the bag with the envelope in it . Chuckles followed.
On another occasion similar but got a strange look and then we proceeded to find the bag and envelope in the trash.
In both case session was great and the wine gone. Neither seems to care about envelope until I was about to leave.
Neither was a first date also/

I agree about the power play thing.  

There's a fine line when interpreting and posting ...  

and it would have to be some very tastefully done imaging. Even if tastefully explicit. .. but that still doesn't mean the money can't or shouldn't be taken care of up front.  

For some, it is not about familiarity or getting swept away as much as what Joe said, a power play.  Even when they don't make you ask for it at the end, some will make a big production of it and act as though they are doing you a solid for paying the money they owed.

and then acting like they left her a hundred.

I always like to put the donation in a nice card and give it to her when 1st entering. It not only gets the business part out of the way but it also is a classy gesture that will immediately let the provider know that you are a respectful gentleman. (It really helps to set a nice tone for the entire session!!)

we are all targets one way or another...it is just a matter how you weed potentials out

Captain Jack was looking for you too

For those who see me regularly, I know they have respect for me as a person (or they've faked it amazingly well and should get an Oscar).  I also know it's likely they will want to come back again, so obviously they will want to stay in my good graces!

by their regulars. They trusted these douches and got robbed. These ladies possibly came from the "know full well I would never screw them" school of thought but it did not pan out very well.  

Coming to LA for a photoshoot in a few months we will catch up for sure darling

Then you leave yourself open to getting ripped off or a Cash N' Dash. When you get ripped off paying upfront just one time, I'll bet you won't pay upfront ever again. If a new provider I'm seeing wants money upfront I walk out on her.

I always pay upfront. As I take off my clothes, the cash comes out and goes on the dresser. I always have it counted and in my pocket for an easy drop.

This is a simple arrangement.

I've never been party to a cash and dash, knock on wood. Perhaps that's because I do my due diligence when I make the choice of who to spend time with.

I know exactly what a provider's agenda is. And lets face it, I'd never get women this good looking to spend intimate time with me.  

the potential for getting ripped off, but by 'regulars' ... it does expand my perspective and understanding of anyone's hesitancy where $$$ is concerned. Fool me once ...  

but it is ready when I arrive & is left silently on her dresser where my clothes were.  It's just better for the illusion.  With a first date, I follow her instructions.

i too have had those immediate tongue down the throat at the door sessions, and yes it takes a while for the envelope to come out (and me to come up for air).

i'm with russbbj.  research prevents scamming.  paying upfront is good.

For obvious reasons, it's best to take care of business right away if it's a first date. Comfort is extremely important that first time, and a visible envelope reaps tremendous rewards. But with an atf I put the proverbial envelope in an inconspicuous place while I'm getting ready to hope in the shower. They trust me implicitly, and it's a better way to start a date, because the money is forgotten by the time you get out of the shower. It almost seems like a real date (haha). For all that trust, sometimes there's an added gift in the envelope. But it's funny, occasionally my inconspicuous confuses them, and I get a call later wondering where it is. Under the conditioner babe.

I place the envelope in a very obvious spot ASAP.  Get it out of the way and let the party begin.  In my sexperience, if at this point the provider secured the envelope or asked for confirmation of its contents the session was average, at best.  If the provider, grabbed the envelope and disappeared to consult her bank account, the session was unsatisfactory.  Generally, the envelope has sat where I placed it until I have left.  Hell, even the K-girls don't check the donation.

You also know that he doesn't have money.