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mrfisher 115 Reviews 1540 reads
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1 / 10

It's nice to see the question asked in a public forum, at least.

SoftlySarah See my TER Reviews 229 reads
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2 / 10

will make much of a difference, though. :( Already in polls, many people advocate for decriminalization or legalization, but having prostitution as a convenient thing to use during election time or any time your city/state/nonprofit wants some money is too profitable to let go. Too many people are served by its illegal status.

serpius 177 reads
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3 / 10

... the argument is presented in a way that no matter what law enforcement does, prostitution will NOT go away.

As it has been stated numerous times, prostitution is the world's oldes profession.

Why is that?

Because, human nature will dictate the need for sex regardless if one is married or not.

Why make any attempt to stamp out human needs? It will never work.

Legalizing prostitution will be in the best interests of state government as they try to find ways to get more revenue into the state coffers. Taxing prostitution can bring in a boatload of much needed revenue.

Serpius

Posted By: mrfisher
It's nice to see the question asked in a public forum, at least.

harborview 10 Reviews 167 reads
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4 / 10

criminalization...  now targeting "demand" by enhansing penalities for clients.   Personally, I think the Canadian model may be superior but the USA seems to be Puritian driven.  This will fail like prohibition...

inrockfordnow 33 Reviews 137 reads
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5 / 10

Yes it is nice to see the question asked, but I have to say I'm very disappointed at how it characterizes the cases for and against decriminalization.  Namely, it seems to take for granted that prostitution is a bad thing, and boils down the decriminalization position to some kind of hopelessness that we can ever really stamp it out.  Quoting the article:

"It is inevitable, the argument goes, so we’re better off improving the conditions  than pretending we can control the trade."

The suggestion here is that the criminalization position would be correct if only it could be practically applied.  But this couldn't be further from the truth.

Instead, we should be emphasizing the fact that all the arguments for criminalization fail miserably.  For example, if someone wants to claim that decriminalizing prostitution will lead to increased human trafficking, then they must support such a dubious claim with evidence.  But the evidence seems to indicate otherwise.  For example, we don't see an influx of human trafficking in Nevada, where prostitution is regulated.  Nor is Canada some kind of hot destination for human traffickers, despite considerably relaxed restrictions on prostitutes and their johns there, in comparison to the United States.  Although I admit I'm not an expert on this, from where I sit, it looks like we have enough evidence to conclude, at least tentatively, that decriminalization would not lead to increased human trafficking.  So criminalization advocates will have to find another reason to push their cause.

The article also mentions the argument that decriminalization will lead to increased violence against women.  Again, though, where is the evidence?  Without that, the argument won't work.  Perhaps more importantly, though, this argument seems to take for granted a very dubious assumption, which is that dangerous work, or perhaps dangerous work of a certain kind, should be outlawed.  But clearly this is not the case.  If women understand the dangers and are nevertheless willing to endure them, then they should have the freedom to do so, just like workers in other dangerous jobs exercise similar freedom.

This is not to say I'm insensitive to the risk prostitutes take for the sake of servicing folks like myself.  In fact, it deeply troubles me, and as a result I spend a lot of time thinking about what can be done to help minimize this very serious problem.  But serious as it may be, it is not the place of the government to stick its nose where it doesn't belong.  And it's certainly unacceptable to allow a few bad apples to ruin it for the rest of us.  There are ways to effectively combat violence against women.  However, criminalization of prostitution is not one of them.

To use an analogy, consider the world of online dating.  Suppose we come to learn that women who use online dating systems put themselves in serious danger of becoming victims of violence.  Please note that this is a thought experiment, so it doesn't matter if online dating systems [i]actually[/i] lead to violence against women.  Just suppose, hypothetically, that we discover they do.  Would this help us build a case for the criminalization of online dating?  Certainly not!  Why, then, should we think that violence against prostitutes helps us build a case for its criminalization?  There seems to be no logical connection between one and the other.

Again, I want to stress that violence against women is a serious problem (regardless of whether the women are prostitutes), and we should do the best we can to combat this violence effectively.  But our counter-measures must never come at the expense of individual liberty--especially the liberty of the very women we are trying to protect!

Other common arguments against prostitution, mentioned by this article, include such gems as, "prostitution is inherently demeaning," and complaints of "exploitation" by pimps.  Again, though, I fail to see how these complaints have any logical connection to criminalization.  Whether prostitution is demeaning is in the eye of the beholder, and downright laughable when offered as a reason to criminalize it.  Complaints of exploitation are somewhat less obviously flawed, but flawed nonetheless.  Apparently, criminalization advocates want us to feel bad that pimps are taking money owed to prostitutes.  Except, it's not really owed if the prostitute and the pimp have entered into a suitable contractual arrangement.  If we find a tendency for such contracts to cause social problems, then we can regulate them, much like we have done with excessive car title loan contracts, and other so-called lending abuses.  (Notice that we don't outlaw altogether the practice of lending money!)

Moreover, if criminalization advocates are so concerned that prostitutes aren't getting their due pay, then it hardly makes sense to prevent them from working at all!  Rather, it seems to me that these advocates just don't like prostitution, perhaps out of moral or religious concerns, and are doing their best to find excuses to force their moral preferences on everyone else.  In other words, I suspect they aren't really convinced by their own arguments, but instead offer them in an attempt to rationalize existing moral preferences or religious beliefs.

None of this is to say that pimps are a good idea.  Frankly, I don't understand why a prostitute would ever want to have one.  (I also don't understand why anyone would willingly gamble money at a casino, or enter into a car title loan, etc.)  But apparently some of them do want pimps, and these women should be free to contract their services, and vice versa.

Anyway, my point here is that decriminalization advocates shouldn't fall into the trap of conceding the supposed evils of prostitution, legal or otherwise.  Instead, we should point out that the criminalization arguments don't hold up, and so we don't need to do any more work in defending decriminalization.  In other words, it is quite enough to observe that criminalization advocates never had a case to begin with.

JLee567 1 Reviews 178 reads
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6 / 10

When I ponder the idea of legalizing prostitution I start to think of a lot reasons why it might not be as advantageous for the providers as we might think. If it's legal that means it's going to be regulated by the government and that brings up a whole of lot of issues the least of which would be she would have to purchase a business license, keep better records of transactions for tax purposes, and this is the biggest kicker I can think of,  - comply with non-discrimination laws. If a black man wanted to see a white provider and she refused could he sue her for discrimination?

Posted By: mrfisher
It's nice to see the question asked in a public forum, at least.

SoftlySarah See my TER Reviews 154 reads
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7 / 10

That's why most advocates specify decriminalization rather than legalization. Australia has both- check out the differences.

JLee567 1 Reviews 162 reads
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8 / 10

I read this in Wikipedia about prostitution in Australia.....

Current situation
Following decriminalisation with the passage of The Prostitution Act 1992, a/k/a "Anna's Law," [act 2] brothels are legal, but sex workers are required to register with the Office of Regulatory Services (ORS). [act 3] The ORS also registers and regulates brothels and escort agencies. Sex workers may work privately but must work alone. Soliciting remains illegal (Section 19).

So, if prostitution gets decriminalized in the U.S. are all of you ladies going to go stand in line at the ORS to register with the government as a sex worker?

SoftlySarah See my TER Reviews 144 reads
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9 / 10

Canberra is located. And their decriminalization is more regulated than the decriminalization in NSW (where Sydney is Located). The NSW model has apparently been praised as best practice by the UN. Nonetheless, it is election year and they once again find themselves fighting to keep things as they are, as one of the political parties is threatening prostitution reform as a campaign ploy. Here is a good article explaining why regulation is bad and decriminalization is good: http://www.scarletalliance.org.au/media/News_Item.2012-08-30.2411/

You'll notice that there is no need to get a license under true decriminalization. The only regulation in such a system is the basic health and safety regulations faced by any business- in the case of prostitution, a brothel.

octovert 144 reads
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10 / 10

The hobby would best be a self-governing institution. I would put Joe Love and London Rayne in top positions, for a perfect system of checks and balances. Leave the inexperienced people of the mainstream government out of it; they have shown they can't govern the hobby with any kind of clue.

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