We're almost in the same generation - I'm a few years younger, but my experiences are parallel.
The big thing you do NOT mention is what hobbying was like circa 1970. My experience at that time was confined to streetwalkers and brothel girls, the latter offering services by the hour. Nonetheless, the experience was inevitably totally anonymous and somewhat distant; while condoms were not generally used for bjs, they were used for intercourse and -- the key characteristic of sex with a prostitute -- NO KISSING!!!! In fact, the no kissing rule literally defined prostitutes; the turning of the head, especially during intercourse, was a trademark.
I remember distinctly the first time a working girl touched her lips to mine; and the revelation it was when I found a brothel, in the mid-80s, where sometimes you could get DFK.
It wasn't until the Internet, in my experience, that kissing became common - largely, I believe, because of the huge influx into the business of women that would never be in the business but for the ease of entry via a website.
In any event "GFE" has always meant, to me, that the lady in question kissed -- the physical act considered by many to be the most intimate. None of the rest ever mattered.
-- Modified on 9/5/2007 11:07:11 PM
I have been a member here for four years. It is my impression that providers have increasingly been using the term “GFE”, often as a way to avoid specifying what is on their menu. (Thus, an important reason for being a VIP and seeing what menu items other fellows have experienced.)
After noticing a lot of women (especially younger ones) claim they offer a GFE experience, but then seeing in reviews or in their self-produced profiles that only CBJ is on their menu, I have started to wonder if age has anything to do with one’s definition of “girl friend experience”.
My experience: I was lucky to start having sexual experiences after the release of the pill (approximately 1961) and before herpes and AIDS raised their “ugly heads” (late 70's and early 80's). All the girl friends I had were on the pill and consequently I never used a condom for intercourse. I never even heard of a lady wanting to use a condom for a blow job.
Earlier generations: This is somewhat of a guess on my part, but I have done some reading and watched with interest the History of Sex series on the History Channel, especially those episodes dealing with WWII.
During that war the government issued posters warning servicemen about venereal disease and issued them condoms. The information at the link below says the military gave out 50,000,000 (that’s million) free condoms a month and that after D-Day two mobile VD clinics followed the troops as they marched through Western Europe. If we have any members of the Greatest Generation here, it would be very interesting to hear about their experiences.
I assume that condom use was more prevalent before the pill because women were worried about becoming pregnant, the difficulty of obtaining abortions, and the social stigma attached to being an unwed mother. I have not read if it was common for women to demand their use for oral sex.
Current practice: I have noticed from reviewing many profiles here that the rate of requiring CBJ seems to be higher among younger women. I assume that is so because they hope to be married and have children and want to reduce any chance of contracting an STD.
However, that is an assumption on my part and would like to hear what additional reasons women have.
I have also noticed that the percentage of women willing to do BBBJ may have ethnic variances. There seem to be fewer ladies of Asian extraction willing to offer BBBJ.
Men: Please let us know what “GFE” means to you and why and what your age is.
Ladies: If you think the girl friend experience does not include BBBJ, please tell us why. Knowing your age and civilian experience with condoms would also be helpful.
Thanks to the TER Community for your contributions.
I think the idea that GFE necessarily means BBBJ is a ridiculous one. While I understand a gent's preference to go without a cover, this is a safety issue for most women. I myself never could tolerate feeling like I'm sucking on a balloon, but I think it is unfair to say that a lady is not GFE simply because she prefers the additional security of a cover.
GFE should be about attitude. Does she act happy to see you when you walk through the door? As though you were her long lost lover? Does she take her time seducing you and pleasuring you? When its over, does she spend time cuddling with and touching you? Those are the marks of a good GFE in my opinion. Yes, the menu items are important, but its flat and lifeless without the attitude.
Just my two cents 
Right on S.o.t.F.!
I'm an older guy. No, I am an OLD guy. A GFE experience to me means for an hour or two, I am wanting a chance to feel like I am with a lover whom I can talk with openly, whom I can seduce and be seduced by, a lady who (within reasonable limits) doesn't say "hurry up or no, I don't do that", or other random restrictions. Now, it is up to us guys to act like a boyfriend. Respectful, tender, gentle, and mindful of the lady's likes and dislikes.
If one wants to give a menu of things a guy expects to do with a girlfriend - kissing and cuddling are at the top of the list.
I am like you - just turned 60 and this is my first experience in the hobby - thought it has a birthday present to myself. Well - I started with a FBSM experience and then moved on to GFE. I started with ladies in their twenties and while the experience was great - it was kind of rushed! I like to enjoy a glass of wine, some chocolate and nice conversation - then some hugging, and of course the rubs and some kissing (sorry but I love deep french kissing) - before moving on! It is like - take off your clothes- then either DFK or LFK (depending) - then move to bbbj or cbj (I don't care which) and then how do you like it! We did have conversation - so don't get me wrong - but it wasn't the same! I did have a shower with a young lady that was awesome - I have to say! BTW - I brought a bottle of wine and chocolates to each appointment and only one time did it get opened and enjoyed!
So - to tell you the truth - I like your point of seduction - it should be mutually given by both and enjoyed by both! So I am re-reading reviews to find some lady who looks at the GFE to be about seduction - I feel I am here more for the lady than myself! Maybe I am weird about the seduction part - but it feels cool for me and if I can have the experience of GFE that is more about - conversation, enjoyment (sharing some wine and chocolate), then cuddling, and rubbing - well - then moving onto other things - and a shower for both - then I am in Nirvana, my friend!
I use to think it was about getting to two pops and feeling the manhood again - well - it is not! Tried it and am bored with it! I read too many reviews about two pops and multiple positions - but they always see to be the same - CG, RCG, Mish, Doggie - I like it but again - let's do something different!
Thanks for your post - it got me thinking!
Sorry if I am just an old fashion romantic- a renaissance man of sorts! Maybe - that is what happens when you get old - better than being an old fart - just had to throw that one in!
Enjoy! The Cyclist!
We're almost in the same generation - I'm a few years younger, but my experiences are parallel.
The big thing you do NOT mention is what hobbying was like circa 1970. My experience at that time was confined to streetwalkers and brothel girls, the latter offering services by the hour. Nonetheless, the experience was inevitably totally anonymous and somewhat distant; while condoms were not generally used for bjs, they were used for intercourse and -- the key characteristic of sex with a prostitute -- NO KISSING!!!! In fact, the no kissing rule literally defined prostitutes; the turning of the head, especially during intercourse, was a trademark.
I remember distinctly the first time a working girl touched her lips to mine; and the revelation it was when I found a brothel, in the mid-80s, where sometimes you could get DFK.
It wasn't until the Internet, in my experience, that kissing became common - largely, I believe, because of the huge influx into the business of women that would never be in the business but for the ease of entry via a website.
In any event "GFE" has always meant, to me, that the lady in question kissed -- the physical act considered by many to be the most intimate. None of the rest ever mattered.
-- Modified on 9/5/2007 11:07:11 PM
The reason I chose this is because a GFE is more than someone sexually, and I prefer not to have Gonoreah (sp) in my mouth or herpes. I also bet you'd rather kiss me knowing that even if by chance I did just leave an appt to come see you, you aren't kissing someone else's wee wee.
I am by far a good GFE imo and many others, even though I DO NOT offer bbbj. A GFE goes beyond sexual experience. It means you can hold a half way intelligent conversation, and kiss passionately, and relate to someone, as well as make them feel they are the only person important to you while you are together.
There is much more to GFE than offering greek, or bbbj, or cim, hell, even my personal boy toys don't get that so why should anyone else??? The way I conduct myself in an appt is the same way I conduct myself in my everyday life, and for that I think it's fair and a true GFE.
A GFE isn't labeled because of their age, size, or sexual preference, it's simple how do you present yourself in an appt. Do you make that man feel like there is no where else in the world you want to be than there? Can you keep up with a normal conversation and be able to answer half way in depth questions and have a response to his questions? Can you passionately espress yourself and not lay there like a robot? Do you really protray the ultimate date from a girlfriend?
These are things, once again IMO, that determain a GFE. What's even more amazing than that, is if we can do all that without a prenump, I think that's one hell of a GFE!!! LOL
Smooches,
Tasha
PS
Not trying to be sassy either so please don't think I am hun.
CBJ does not equal GFE. No Way! No How!
QED.
however, I will not risk my health, in my personal or professional life to please someone or try to rise to their standards. And that is my opinion which I am entitled too. But IMO, people who gauge a GFE on the services offered is a bit simple minded for the fact that's not what a GFE is, by my definition an obviously many others. But once again this is only my opinion.
Like I stated before, I enjoy knowing I will never have the chance of getting Ghonorea in my mouth or syphillis or herpes, so for that, I am very comfortable providing cbj only. It's been four years since I started and I have yet to get a complaint, so I will continue offering the true GFE my way.
Safe Player,
Tasha
What's a little syphillis between friends & neighbors?
GFE is a term that means different things to different people. Often these discussions start when people of differing expectations clash. Tasha clearly stats she only does CBJ and gives here reason for doing such. there is no deception on her part. If this does not meet a gentlemen’s desires he should find a more willing provider, not criticize someone for allegedly providing less than advertised.
Of course every time I hear the term GFE I think of someone taking me to the mall and repeatedly asking me “how does this look?” while running up my credit card balance. But that is a different topic.
transmission of gonorrhea by about 95%. I would assume the same risk reduction for syphillis although I don't know the number. Herpes I believe is transmitted skin to skin and condoms provide only limited risk reduction.
While 95% risk reduction is very very significant, it isn't 100%. What a condom does for gonorrhea is increase the mean time to infection by a factor of twenty.
Note that you can only get infected if your client is infected. In 1999 (the most recent year I could find data for on the web) the U.S. infection rate for gonorrhea was 133.2 per 100,000 of population. The infection rate for syphillis was 2.5 per 100,000 of population. (See Related Link.)
The infection rate among your clients may be quite different than for the U.S. population as a whole of course.
Gonorrhea transmits very efficiently with oral sex. (If you have unprotected oral sex with an infected person your risk of becoming infected is nearly 100%.) For the purpose of discussion lets assume that 1 in 500 of your clients is infected. Then your risk of infection would be about 1 in 500 if you gave BBBJs. CBJs reduce the risk to about 1 in 10,000. The risk is lower, but there is still a risk.
-- Modified on 9/7/2007 12:50:58 AM
I love your post and your reply! We need to beyound definitions and maybe redefine what this really means! Like you - I want safety and to me - it is about conversation - cuddling - kissing - rubbing and hugging - and then onto other things - including maybe a shower! It should be just about BBBJ and what position and how many pops! I like the passion in your answer and that is GFE should be about - passion and maybe even seduction - like you are wanted and needed - and even loved like you have never been loved! Thank you!
Well thank you sweetie. It means a lot that others agree with me and enjoy reading my post too hehehehehehe. I only speak about what I feel and how I precieve things but I am only one opinion for the most part, although others may agree. I truly feel strongly about this subject and the whole MILF thing grrrrr. But that's another post lol.
Smooches,
Tasha
Yes Yes Yes. that is what a GFE means to me. A connection of spirits not a list of acts.
Out of maybe 50 times I have participated in the hobby, less than 10 stand out as being really pleasurable. The others were a waste of time and money and guilt producing. Those that were enjoyable and well worth the time and money had the attitude you express: they made me feel like there was no one else in the world and they had all the time to spend with me, the conversation was interesting, and there was at least the appearance of pleasure....
I tried Wikipedia. (See related link.) It is probably the worst article I've ever seen on Wikipedia. Sigh!
I too got my start in the hobby in the late 1970s. This was before HIV, of course. My first experiences were in the legal bordellos of Nevada. I never saw a condom for either vaginal or oral sex. If my memory serves me correctly kissing was very rare but not completely unknown. I should note that there were several women I saw more than once and the few experiences where there was kissing may well not have been on first encounters. Too many years have gone by for me to remember.
I don't know what GFE consists of. I regard it as a nearly meaningless advertising term.
If the TER profile says that kissing and uncovered oral aren't on the menu it is almost certain I won't see the lady. I should add that I am at an age where the loss of sensation with a condom means that I don't orgasm. I am willing to give up orgasming in vaginal sex but if I have to give up orgasming by any means other than a hand job I will either give up the hobby or go back to FBSM, which is much less expensive.
I probably should also add that unless I like the lady as a person and she appears to like me I won't see her more than once. There are boundaries, of course. Paid companions are not girlfriends. I think that what I look for are (to quote a woman I once knew) relationships that are "limited but real." Fantasy is nice, but too much can be dangerous.
Fortunately, I have a pair of ATFs and a third lady I see more-or-less regularly so I am not constantly searching for new talent. The fires do burn less strongly with age -- at least that is true for me.
-- Modified on 9/6/2007 1:45:57 AM
As a newbie, I agree that there seems to be confusion as to what exactly "GFE" means. To me, it means that during the session the lady I'm with seems to actually like me, and makes me feel like she really wants to be there with me. She is warm, friendly, is interested in having good conversation along with the more intimate activities.
I think that it can also mean that interactions between appointments (emails and/or phone conversations in setting up the next appointment) are more friendly, and not just business-like.
I've seen a few providers that don't offer the Girlfriend Experience, and I have found that there is a tremendous difference in the quality of sessions between those and the provider I see now who offers GFE.
I don't think GFE has to necessarily mean what's on the menu, it's more of the general atmosphere of the session.
Runningman
As with Turkana, for me GFE has always meant that there was kissing. Whether there is a condom involved in oral may influence whether I see a lady, but not whether I consider her GFE.
In addition to the kissing, there is, as SinsOfTheFlesh mentions, the attitude. I view it as a gentle desire of wanting to please and wanting to be pleased. I think of the gentleness as the distinguishing feature between PSE and GFE.
In the end, like with many things, you may not be able to describe it, but you know it when you experience it.
That you have to go shopping with her at the mall and hold her purse while she runs to the bathroom. or
Meet her parents and brothers for Sunday diner and hang around and watch football and fall asleep at their basement couch. or
you can continue these thoughts.....
but hey, it's all good.
distinguish herself from the hoary (no pun intended) concept of the cold hearted woman who gets you off and tosses you out the door. The GFE is supposed to be more like a true girl friend and be sympathetic and consoling if not downright solicitious.
I don't think it was intended to conceal which sexual acts a provider will and won't perform, I think the main retitence for this is to avoid problems with LE, so I can't blame them for that. It's no biggy since that's what the reviews and profiles are for.
For the most part, most GFE's have been friendly and sympathetic. Having had the pre-GFE experience myself in the "bad old days" (1970's) the GFE concept is like a revolution in the business. Of course, now-a-days I think most providers use the term for the same reason that every product you buy says it is: "new and improved", i.e. everyone is doing it.
As for condom use back in the pre HIV days, I would say it was not rare, but not universal, maybe 50% of providers I saw used them for intercourse, when I could afford intercourse that is. (I was a lowly electician making $7/hr back then.) Things were very much a la carte in those days (...and you can suck my nipples for another $20...)
I haven't noticed any variation in condom use for blow jobs by a provider's ethnicity, either Asian, Aftican-American or otherwise. I would say that about 80% of providers provide BBBJ.
50 million condoms per month? Well, I suppose in war you have to be willing to share. 
I ain't buy'n.
personally i've never thought of GFE as a reference to any physical activities necessarily, but more so an attitude as other ladies have mentioned. when i say i provide a GFE type of service, that means that it's a bit more personal, caring, attentive, etc., like the sort of interaction one would have with a "girlfriend" as opposed to just some stranger you'd like to scrump.
i do offer BBBJ, but only because i see no point at all in CBJ. it has nothing to do with GFE service imo.
I am pretty new to the hobby and was really clueless the first time a saw GFE (i though it meant that you had to bring your girlfriend with you, image my embarrassment...) I have struggled with what GFE means for sure, but I know what it means to me. It is not just kissing, it is DFK, it is about how she makes me feel. I like all the chit chat, the cuddling afterwards.
As I said I don't have lots of experience, but the little I have has show me that younger girls do not offer this kind of experience, not to say some don't I just have had no luck.
while a bbbj would be nice and I do like them, I would not say that this is part of the GFE, because really she is not my girl, and some precautions need to be taken imo.
I personally do not look for GFE as a criterion for making a date with a provider. I don't care what they call their sessions. I have seen providers ranging in age from 18 to 43, so I have not noticed any difference in sessions regarding their age. But.....
As was stated above, kissing is a very intimate part of the 'date' with a provider, regardless of age. If there is no kissing, I will not see that provider, there are too many others out there who will kiss. Obviously, it's important to me.
With age as a probable factor, not being able to orgasm in the cover in intercourse is something I often experience. I'm not of the Greatest Generation, but one of the early Baby Boomers. So, if BBBJ is not on the menu, there is another deal-breaker for me, again because there are plenty of providers who will do it. And it doesn't have to be CIM either, but I would not complain if it was.
Swim
if my provider offers bbbj i would be a little worried due to the number of clients they see. chances are that # would be higher than the average of none providing girls.
though i would say... sometimes we don't all think with our big head.
it's understandable that the provider wants to be protected. and it's to protect BOTH the client and the provider.
Weeeellll, judging by the responses, the true meaning is actually all across the board. I have met men in the hobby who actually will not accept bbbj due to safety concerns yet call it GFE. Personally, it is more in the state of mind of the two people involved. If it includes a cbj, yet it feels to me like I am making love to the lady vice just banging her, then it is GFE. The term has been watered down way too much, especially by the CL advertisers, to really mean much unless you actually experience it.
-- Modified on 9/6/2007 4:09:02 PM
There's no doubt in my muddled military mind!!
To me, GFE is three main things:
1) Most Important- Attitude. I am affectionate and open with my clients. For the time we are together, we behave as though we are really and truly in a loving relationship (one that includes passionate sex, of course!) I think attitude is the absolute most important factor in GFE.
2) The donation is for the time period, not for certain acts or one pop. Multiple pops are always on the menu, and the activity is allowed to flow rather than being a set structure or routine. If I schedule a "one hour" date I spend one hour with the client- it is a combination of pops and conversation and experiencing one another within that hour.
3) It generally includes multiple services- and full service is offered, of course- like you said, this is a way for us to convey our service without offering anything that is against the law. The first two points are most important, and I believe there are exceptions to the following, but to me GFE should always involve KISSING (have you ever had a gf who wouldn't kiss? lol. This is a huge difference between GFE and non-GFE gals) and also generally involve mutual oral (at least that it is available, not that it occurs every session necessarily). Whether or not a cover is used by either or both partners for that oral to me is irrelevant. That is a safety issue and has nothing to do with GFE. But mutual sexual reciprocity and affection (kissing, hugging) are generally available for it to be a GFE.
Personally, I am a young Caucasian provider and I do BBBJ unless there is a hygeine issue. However, that is not set in stone. If I ever begin to feel that the cons outweigh the pros, I will certainly stop- that's my prerogative. More importantly, if and when I get involved in a relationship with a person I care about, male or female, I will stop offering this (if I am still working) because I have no right to make those decisions, however slight the risk, for anyone but myself, especially someone that I care about. That would take precedence.
XoXo
Marea
-- Modified on 9/6/2007 1:22:54 PM
You pose an excellent guestion and the amount of dialogue this has generated is very interesting! When I saw the question last night I started to write - but it was late and I was with a lady earlier in the evening - which got me to thinking! I read through the posting and excellent points by all! But ... (now the juicy stuff in TER - get it!)
I just turned 60 and this is my first experience in the hobby - thought it would be a birthday present to myself. Well - I started with a FBSM experience (very different) and then moved on to GFE. I started with ladies in their twenties and while the experience was great - it was kind of rushed! I like to enjoy a glass of wine, some chocolate and nice conversation - then some hugging, and of course the rubs and some kissing (sorry but I love deep french kissing) - before moving on! (as a side note - I brought wine and chocolate to each appointment and only one time did it get open - I also had a shower afterwards with the same lady - which was awesome experience!)
But while these ladies were awesome - it was like - get comfortable (another word for take off your clothes)- then either DFK or LFK (depending - it is weird kissing someone who is not into really kissing!) - then move to bbbj or cbj (I don't care which - I have had both), and then sometimes DATY (I love it but not for everyone - ruins the moment - but I did hear about a cover (I think dental cover that guys can use - sorry to get off point) and then the question - how do you like it? (I am new at this and it always starts with doggie style)! Well the moment for me is more about let's cuddle and move into this naturally- not OK - let's get it on so we can get done and you can be gone! And there was always polite conversation!
When I started I use to think it was about getting to two pops and feeling the manhood again - well - it is not! Tried it and am bored with it! I read too many reviews about two pops and multiple positions - but they always see to be the same - CG, RCG, Mish, Doggie - awesome GFE - I like it - but again - let's do something different! If you read every review - it is the same- what is different about the GFE? Nothing that I can see!
Like with many terms in the dictionary - they take on new meaning! So when sites use terms like GFE or PSE - what does it really mean?
Judging by the postings - it has numerous meanings to everyone! And as they say to each his own! So why the author poses a excellent question - we have to ask ourselves - how do we approach it?
For me the GFE- and I am still searching for the lady- is more about enjoying the moment - converation, a glass of wine, some chocolate, some kissing (and I mean kissing), a deep glance, some hugs and rubs, some cuddling and then moving onto Nirvana for each! If it comes with covers - so be it! I like a mutual shower afterwards! One individual posted earlier - about seduction - a mutual approach by both for the moment!
I have seen some awesome ads by very selective ladies that made me realize these are more than - 15 minute or half hour specials - I like ladies who say less than a hour is not worth my time! I have become to realize that making appointments less than 1.5 hours or 2 hours is a waste of my time! And deep pockets I don't have at the moment - so I have to rethink how I am beginning to approach this! But if quality time is once a month - so be it!
So - I am sorry if I am just an old fashion romantic! That is just the way I see it! So the question you have ask - how do you approach GFE?
Enjoy! The Cyclist!
"Current practice: I have noticed from reviewing many profiles here that the rate of requiring CBJ seems to be higher among younger women. I assume that is so because they hope to be married and have children and want to reduce any chance of contracting an STD."
Not to say the STD risk isn't part of it, but I make a different assumption. I think young providers for the most part find it pretty disgusting sucking a guy's dick bareback who is 30-40 years older than they are. Not to mention the guy might cum in her mouth without warning and totally freak her out. The condom makes it less disgusting for them and they know they can get away with it because of the demand for young hotties. I'm not expecting any providers to back my theory openly, LOL.
I'm with the group that believes french kissing is the only activity required to constitute a GFE. Throwing out the clock is the biggest GFE factor for me.
Well personally I only date older men, ie 30-40 because maturity is more like mine. So as far as age or looks or anything goes, I do cbj because I feel more comfortable with all the diseases and everything going around, and if I feel more comfortable then so does the situation.
It's not so much to say I'm afraid of cum, even though it taste like flour and water to me with a salt shaker, or that I don't like the fact of said person being 30-40, that is the last thing on my mind honestly. If I enjoy myself wonderful, if you show that you are enjoying yourself that's what matters the most to me. So, with that being said I;ll await the next response.
Tasha
You're a perfect example that many, many guys will sacrifice the BBBJ for a chance to do everything else with a 21(?) year old. Therefore, no need to compromise your ideals. 40 year old providers don't have that luxury if they want any business. Guys expect everything from them.
Realistically, I think we should stick to providers closer to our own age if we want a true GFE. You would be a Lolita experience for many hobbyists. We can't use that LE acronym though.
On the other hand, a 21-year old would be about the same age as my stepgrandson's girlfriend. (Like Woody Allen said, the only thing good about getting old is that it beats the alternative.)
There is the rule-of-thumb that says a girlfriend should be as old or older than half your age plus seven years -- unless you are really rich, of course. Since I am 70 that says I should stick to ladies that are 42 or older.
Fortunately, the rule-of-thumb is only for real girlfriends. My ATFs are both in their mid to late thirties. That means they are young enough to look good, mature enough to be fun to spend time with, and probably near the peak of their sexuality if all the studies are correct.
Mathesar, I'll be surprised if you haven't calculated this math equation. If you spent the evening with a 30-yr old AND two 20-yr olds, you could combine their ages, see someone your age and have it be an incredibly wonderful experience. While it could be your undoing, it would make one hell of a way to go.
This would be one area that advancing age would be a benefit. I could only have two 24-yr olds, doing the math the same way.
I hope this helps somehow.
well at 25 i guess i could be considered a youngish provider, and i would never give CBJ. personally i find no pleasure in sucking on latex, and can't imagine that many men are wild about the sensation either. also the fact is that fellatio is by far my favorite sexual activity, it's something i can totally zone out and relax while doing, so i'm going to make it as natural and pleasant as possible. i think one can still be cautious as far as STD risks while still giving BBBJ, it just takes experience and knowledge.
as for french kissing being a requirement of GFE, i can understand that theory but don't necessarily agree. i kiss, deeply kiss, but do not and will not kiss any and everyone. if the chemistry is not there that's an activity i simply cannot bring myself to do, however i would still describe myself as a GFE-type provider because of the environment i create before, during and after dates and the relationships i establish with my clients.
based on specific services covered by the lady. I believe it required at a minimum DATY,BBBJTC, DFK.By this scale, if anal and russian were also available she would be a GFE++
Interesting to say the least and I think the ladies have it right (at least those that think it more about passion) and we have it wrong! It should not be slam bam thank you ma - where did GFE go wrong?
GFE is subjective. What it means to me is your going to have someone warm, sensual,sexy, intelegent, fun, down to earth, quite comfortable to be with and NOT someone who's an ice cold, robotic dead fish.
It doesn't mean that BBBJ is required or anything else you may think is reuired. It's a judgement call. There are ALOT of unclean and/or gooey men out there and it's MY call, NOT YOURS what I do or do not do. And if I choose to cover it it's MY choice.
I had MANY gentlemen encourage the use of a cover since they don't want to take the chance of bringing anything home to the Mrs.
I've never had a complaint on my talents when I used covers. And I think I do a better job (no pun intended) when covered than not since I don't have that little voice in the back of my head wondering about safety.
-- Modified on 9/7/2007 4:20:27 PM
I think GFE is the experience of being with a girlfriend, not a prostitute. Therefore, BBBJ is expected. A CBJ is something a girlfriend, or even a casual date would not do. Yes, it is attitude too, but we all know how a condom can break the mood.
GFE is mainly about attitude to me. If the girl is warm and friendly with a good attitude that's a very big part of GFE. Being able to talk, joke and have a conversation is critical.
I'm 42 and favor providers in their mid-twenties.
The best GFE is when natural chemistry occurs. It is also the most dangerous for the client because this when clients lose their minds and fall in love. I don't think a single client ever falls in love with a provider unless their is a GFE involved.
I've met one lady who's GFE seems so real. Early in the session we seemed to really click with one another on a personal level. She was very open with me on a personal level. The fact she was open made it very easy for me to be open with her. She seemed able to look at me as person not a client. Specific acts and covers have nothing to do with it.
I find myself questioning if it was really just a client/provider experience because for an hour I truely believe she was my girlfriend on some level. I still think of her this way.
When I think of her which is more often than I like to admit, it's very fondly wishing that she's happy and safe enjoying her life.
I want to see her again the same way one longs for ones girl friend when she's away...
To me that's a real GFE at it's most powerful effect.
GFE means girlfriend experience. Whatever I would do woth a girlfriend. Kissing lots of exploring, DATY, BBBJ (CIM optional becasue some girlfriends like it others don't)and basically a slow unrushed open time. Multiples offered if your up for it otherwise just a nice time talking, kissing etc after the physical part is over.
NOT a girl who wants to slam bam ya, checking her computer, checking her phone messages, trying to slambam your cock in her mouth as fast as possible to tryt o get you off and then as soson as you d start getting dressed....