consider it rude to stay before extending formally with a new addition to the envelope? Guys- how long past your time do you usually stay? For ladies- how long past the time do your clients usually stay?

Looking for opinions of men and women here.

You should let her know before the session is over to see if she can make adjustments since she might have other obligations after the session.
Or tell the provider when you are booking that you would like to have the option to extend if she is available to and if things go well.

If it's a 60 minute session, I think letting the provider know that you would like to extend at around 45 minutes is good notice. Usually the last 10-15 minutes include chit chatting, a quick shower and getting ready to part ways.

....to let me know before the session is over. He doesn't know what I have planned afterwards.  Nap, need to eat, run a errand, whatever. If he waits until the end or near end assuming I might not have anything else to do or want to do except him would be rude. There should be no "past his time" .... it should be before it's supposed to be over.

but it was always a mutual kiss and cuddle time and I look for any cues to end and leave. Also that meant there was a great connection and I have always repeated and overpaid the next visit to compensate.

IMO Unless invited to do so, guys that stick around even one minute past are idiots and have no respect for the provider's time. We all know what time we/she arrived and when the clock started so it should be no surprise when the clock should stop.

I realize that there are people who are completely oblivious to time and regard for other's but they fall into this idiot category as well.

I have always encouraged gents to be generous with a lady and that includes the time factor. Every time I have extended time, it SEEMED to be what came natural to me and the lady and I made sure it payed off big. Not always right then because for a first visit I have learned to only bring the requested donation and subsequent visits always included a big bonus for prior time and 10-100% extra for current time. I'v not only never had a complaint, but am set up for priority status with every lady I repeat with.
I have read many complaints about a clockwatching lady, but realize if they have been taken advantage of before, that is a sad part of what happens.

You have to respect her time, she will need to get ready for her next call. It would be rude to stay at all, unless she asks you to stay

... from provider to provider.

As for my ATFs, they never watch the clock and have never complained about me staying over just a bit. A bit is 15 minutes or less. I have offered to pay a little extra and both times they refused.

Why? Because they were having too much fun and wanted it that way.

Serpius

Perhaps I wasn't clear or didn't think that it needed to be said but here is a distinct difference between staying over your scheduled time and extending your appointment which would mean compensating her for additional time.

Being invited to stay longer by the provider or extending the appointment through compensation are completely fine. I was merely talking about the person who has no respect or disregard for the provider's time

issue for me like it used to be. When I did offer hourly dates, I always gave a 10-15 min. courtesy.



As for extending....don't do it. I like to know exactly what I am in store for and how long when I plan my day.

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I'd say most providers are pretty good at getting the message to you that it's time. I've also had sverl instances where I'll see the clock and say it looks like fantasy time is coming to an end and be asked to stay longer. I just hate it when you are just talking and laughing and then boom. She says times up and shuts down like a robot.

Our play time is within the compensated time.  After that we get dressed.  If a lady has a schedule to keep I'll cooperate as she guides me to a pleasant departure.  I have had Favorite Ladies encourage me to stay & keep them company for an hour or 2 beyond our play time.  Under these circumstances, she does not have a booking in that time frame and she does take calls that come in...  I'll visit the rest room during these intervals.   When it is time for departure, she'll switch back to 'date mode' with a lingering hug & kisses.
Another Favorite, I'll take the fixings for a meal which we'll prepare together, have our play time, then dress & return to her kitchen table...  on these occasions, I'm probably inside her location for twice the compensated time.   If she has to leave, she'll speak up & we move things along & I get on the road home sooner.  
These situations are with ladies who probably do not have another meeting that day...  

It's not clear what the OP is asking...  I suspect she wants to know how long play time is allowed to run over.   Ladies get black marks for 'clock watching' yet, to be good at this illusion they must be great time managers...  either by sneaking a peak at clocks (I noted in an earlier thread, a Fav who has a small clock she positions to the side so it can be discreetly viewed), or my music tracks or just good sense of time.  And said lady does not rush but does manage her time well.  

Now guys functionality is not necessarily as punctual as clockwork.  IMHO, a lady should do what ever it takes...  including switching to a HJ or BJ+hands...  to finish what was started on the first pop.   I was concerned with this early on & a lady who became my first Favorite...  stated quietly that we would finish what we started.  And she always has.

I think it's different on a subsequent round...  if it's close to the compensated time, he should be satisfied with what he's got or request an extension if it's clear the time will go over significantly.  I think over 10-15 minutes would be abusing the lady's good nature.  

Now I'll go back & read what the others have written,
HV  

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so I like to take care of my date before I leave. For this reason, I usually bring as much as I felt that I might need (for tip and/or for extension).

I find that the ladies are usually begging me to stay and often times pay me for MY additional time.  

Oh you wanted a serious answer...it depends. If you visit me, you are free to leave whenever you wish.  If I visit you (these are usually shorter dates of 2-4 hours), it's wheels up at the exact takeoff time or even a few minutes before.

The departure times on the longer dates (overnight +) are often times a bit more blurred.  I honestly cant remember the last 48 hour date that lasted exactly 48 hours.  It's usually between 40-55 hours, and it always seems to even out in the end.

of "paying" more, but want to fkin camp out for a half hour and yack your head off. Now, locally never an issue, because I might only see 2 guys a week and it's a 2 hour min. I normally, go to dinner OTC because I am not going to see more than one guy a day if I am doing a full two or 3 hours.

Touring....bit of an issue. I try to only book say a 12 noon, then a 7 or 8 p.m. so the night guy will usually be the one I have dinner and drinks with, provided I am not tired. I don't really mind that part of it, but if he expects to stay in my room with me naked for an extra 30 min. he would have to compensate for that.

Many women book their appts. so close together, they have no time to do shit. I never understood that practice. At the very least I would think you would want 2 or 3 hours inbetween clients just for the traffic factor in hotels.

what are the ways they get the message to you? How can one do this without appearing rude, or "shutting down like a robot"? I ask because I am new to the online and hourly concept. In my "previous life" as a provider, I was purely a dinner companion or longer, so time was never an issue. When a gent was paying $2K or more for a dinner date, overnight, or longer, I never, ever had to worry that he was over-staying. But I have noticed that in my new incarnation as an online provider with hourly availability, sometimes gents stay up to 30 minutes over time, and I am often at a loss as to how to diplomatically and politely bring things to an end. When I book shorter engagements, I often make plans for after with friends, dinner, movies, etc., and sometimes that small amount of time between my engagement and my outing with friends is essential to being able to shower and grab a bite to eat before heading out. I never book two engagements in a row, so that's not the issue.

Trying to work out the finer details of this endeavor! Thank you for your help!

(which are few and far between here in FL), but to shorter engagements of an hour or 90 minutes. (For some reason, I have never had an issue with over staying when gents book two or more hours.) As I said in a post in response to daytodayie, in my former life as a companion, I only booked dinner engagements or longer, and never worried about the time. I never did incall for those, either, but while I was with the gent it was always a fuzzy concept of time. The only time I would watch the clock was if he had to be somewhere right after, which occasionally was the case on overnights, where the gent had to be at an early AM meeting.

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Yes- this is exactly what I am referring to. I am new to shorter engagements, so I need to learn a diplomatic way of disengaging with a camper without seeming rude. Funny that at 2 or more hours I never have an issue with over-staying, but at 1hr to 90 minutes, this can occasionally be a problem. I try giving clues, but sometimes they sail right over a guy's head.

I also do not book back-to-back appointments (I can think of nothing more strenuous!), but will often have plans for my day or evening after an engagement. Even when I plan to stay in, if an engagement is in the evening, I will usually plan to eat afterwards, and many hotel restaurants close early. And I don't eat pizza. So those extra few minutes are desperately needed for me to shower and get dressed again to go downstairs.

I am not fond of giving OTC time with dining or drinks, as for my whole life in this business I have been paid handsomely for that kind of time. It is extremely rare that I will dine with a gent off the clock. And I quite like my own company, so dining alone is never a problem for me (I usually have a book I am reading, or catch up on emails).

A simple kiss and a hug.Maybe a that was great we've got to meet again. Then an offer of a shower. Not very subtle but friendly. More times than not I've said it looks like our time is up and have been told to relax, we are having fun.

usually does the trick. If that does not work, tell him you just got a text from your husband who is also a cop lol.

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It falls in the same category as "Does this dress make me look fat?" There is NO POSSIBLE way for a man to answer correctly.
Same with your predicament/question. I completely understand the issues and myself would be annoyed as well.
Women can read our sexual desires, so I would think you could read each encounter of jack knife assholes who stays over. Each one is different,so how you handle it will be unique as well.
No "good" answer and difficult to say the least. I for one don't envy you , and just handle each one with class and place your hand on the door handle if it comes down to it.

Nine times outta ten the dress makes you look fat so always ask when you have dinner ready

neither of us would like to appear abrupt or discourteous to the men who compensate us for our time. but it is YOUR time, after all, and you must learn how to manage it and demand (politely) that others respect it. there are many, many subtle ways to indicate the end of a shorter date.

some examples, 1 or 2 which have already been mentioned:

"did you wish to use the shower?" (clear that it is a final clean-up, equally clear you have no intention of joining him)

"well we wouldn't want you to be late for work/getting home/etc." make it seem as if you are concerned about HIS time obligations.

"i had better get myself together, some friends and i have made plans to go out for the evening."

the last i don't really recommend so much because it implies that if you didn't have other plans, you would choose to stay with him longer, but if you are really a punk about drawing things to a close it is effective.

the other thing to keep in mind is your own conduct and body language. if there are only a few minutes remaining of your allotted time together, you shouldn't be nude and lounging in his arms. you should have gradually but steadily been moving from playtime, to sexy lounging and chat, to a relaxed dressing (even semi-dressing) of yourself and placed yourself in an upright totally non-sexual position. friendly chat could continue throughout all of this, but the message will be clear to him that time is up, so to speak. and of course you will have those who are completely satisfied taking advantage of your time with half an hour or more of conversation, you put and end to that by any of the above methods. also grabbing his hands and walking him to the door doesn't hurt, and make sure to express how much you will miss him til next time.


hope that helps!

I respect my lady's time, not only because she may have another appointment after mine but also because she probably needs the time she has allotted to get ready for her next appointment just as she got ready for mine.

Conversely though, I expect that my lady doesn't take up any of my time checking her phone. Nothing annoys me more than that.

Every relationship we have in life is all about respect, including this arranged relationship.

I've been the last appointment of my lady's day before and the time comes up while we are talking and I'm asked if I'd like to stay a little longer, and that's cool. But, only if I'm asked.

that helps a lot too. I usually don't stop the clock until the time is up, meaning, I am happy to lounge naked in his arms and snuggle and kiss until his hour is up, but then I would like him to start getting up and getting showered/dressed to go. I am not so concerned that he be walking out the door on the hour's up mark, but I feel like I am rushing him if he doesn't make moves to go after the hour is up. Of course, between chatting, flirting, etc., that shower and dress time could drag on a bit, so maybe the trick is to stop the clock 10 minutes prior.

I hate being the one to make a move to sit upright- I have never been the one who does that so I am not used to it. Plus I love the feeling of realness in the encounter, and I wouldn't be kicking a lover out on the dot. But I guess this is a necessary evil in this sector.

I'm learning.

Sarah, it's definitely not about being a clockwatcher, but it is about maintaining boundaries and ensuring you and your time are respected. a true gent will want nothing other than that, even if he may require a friendly reminder from time to time.

your sitting up, casually getting yourself together, but still remaining engaged and cheerful with him at the 10-to mark allows for him to leave up to 10-15 minutes after your allotted time, as opposed to 30 minutes + which will leave you in a bind, not to mention feeling disrespected. and again, be creative...you could get up, get dressed, say, "ooh i want to show you something!"..leave the room and return with an interesting novel you're reading, travel pictures, whatever, as you remain in that non-sexual position. it's a natural but clear way to set the "our time is ending" message. and while a gent is showering or cleaning up, i have a habit of neatly getting his clothing together, folding everything properly and placing the items in the order in which he will don them. i will have the bed made and looking utterly unused. so the environment remains comfortable and cozy, you are still being attentive and caring, but he is reminded that his time is not endless.

Thanks for the additional...   I think cuddling or just laying in each other's arms until the time expires...   give or take...   After that, you roll over give him a playful hug, kiss & get up & slide into a silk robe or something.   He should take the hint.  The shower idea is fine.  You can continue to be friendly & chat as you each get dressed.  
Even if I am encouraged / permitted to stay...  we will get dressed when the play is over & time is up.   Even if we have a meal to chat...   once he's dressed it's easier to walk him out.

I do hope that girls do give themselves a minimum of 30 minutes between appointments to freshen up, shower, and relax, but that's about it.

I'm not a stickler for time in counting the minutes, but I will always be respectful and not overstay, because I have been the client after that has had to suffer because the previous client wasn't respectful.

Do under others, and all that shit...

one one hand, i've had more than one lady try to wrap up the session at "bar time" (ie, a clock set at 15 minutes fast).  i even had one lady ask me if i wanted to take a shower before i went home when we still had 40 minutes on the clock!

just recently i had a girl tell  me, "well, i'm going to take a shower now and go to the gym" at 70 minutes into our 90 minute meeting.  she didn't even offer me the courtesy of a shower for myself.

on the other hand, my two atfs never hassle me out the door, and they both let me enjoy their company way past the clock time without any complaints or asking for compensation.  one lady always gives me 2 hrs for an hr and half session, including a co-ed shower with soapy places!

i always let the lady set the parameter.  when she feels the time is over, she'll let me know.  unless i'm not enjoying it, then i will let her know.  

i never stay or cajole or plead (or yak her head off or schmooze or provaracate) to get extra time for nothing from a gal.  if she says we're done (and there's no time left on the clock) then we are done, i am a gentleman and i wrap things up.

i dislike the providers who impose bar time on a session.  if you dislike this job so much you want to cut out early, maybe you need another job.

mentioned that you don't like it when women give you "bar-time", meaning cut out 15 minutes early. In threads above, I have been advised that I should start making finishing up moves at 10-15 minutes before clock time is up so that the session is definitely done at the time agreed on. Can you clarify if this is the same thing in your opinion?