Is this good for p411? Is it bad for p411?  Does this mean more business for them?  I hope it doesn't mean they come under scrutiny by the authorities.  I love the service and am planning on renewing soon.  

Thoughts?

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thus forbidding inclusion of a link on these cyber pages?

 All this Googling, Bling-ing, Yahoo-ing is going to get very tedious if this keeps up.

Aren't the lovelies who run the site the dreaded P word?

So a link would be nice.

Steph

Google  usa today article on prostitution  It was yesterday

You need to refine your google skills

And you can't link it because of real names. The other poster is correct on that.

After reading that article I'd think it was almost legal.
 

They are in Canada and Canadian laws, as I understand it do not criminalize prostitution. I have had an easy time of getting back and active using TER with Preferred 411 clearance.

"Guidelines" for posting are becoming more onerous every day.  

Oddly "facebook" seems to allow anything.

that didn't stop US authorities from getting subpoenas through legal channels to get records for a prosecution in this country. All depends on how P411 will handle it when the inevitable "knock" comes.
I'd destroy all the data.

I didn't find anything about P411 either.

But your comment on guidelines for posting becoming more onerous ever day is not true. Those guidelines have always been in effect.

They don't want their email service used for illegal activities. I don't think a few johns or hookers have anything to worry about though. They will cooperate for serious crimes and they let you know it up front.

END OF MESSAGE

I was a very early user of their service and was always happy with the service. This is directly from one of the owners:

 
Your message was forwarded to me by one of our administrators. As one
of SecureNym's owners, I wanted to take the time to answer your
questions personally.

SecureNym has gateway servers in the US and our database servers are
located in Canada. We have a backup location, for emergencies, in
Nassau, Bahamas.

A government can certainly try to force us to provide information, as
can anyone else via legal proceedings. They do so all the time. Some
of the subpoenas are quashed immediately, due to errors or
incompetence. Those that survive the initial scrutiny from our
attorneys have not been a problem to date.

SecureNym, from day one ten years ago, chose a much different
security model than Hush. The whole premise of our security is that
we cannot be forced to reveal what we don't know. Ignorance is a
simple, and very reliable, defense that has served both our users and
us quite well.

We do NOT have any way of knowing who has what account. When a user
receives an account creation key, and enters it into our system, the
key is securely deleted BEFORE the user is directed to the account
creation page. Thus, the connection between an account key and a
specific account never exists. This is why we admonish users to be
sure to complete the process immediately, because otherwise we have
no way of recovering the key.

This means that it might be possible for someone to discover the
user's payment to SecureNym, via financial records at a credit card
company, but there is no way to prove that the account key was even
used, much less what account it might have been used to create. A
payment is circumstantial evidence, at very best.

Next, we have no way of recovering a password. SecureNym uses a
Catch-22 to make sure that we can't do so, and that no one else could
either. All passwords are encrypted and stored in our databases. The
decryption key is a cryptographic 'hash' of the account name and
the...... password. In short, you must know the password to decrypt
the password.

Your messages are all encrypted with that same cryptographic hash, on
the fly, as they arrive at our servers. The same rule applies; the
messages can be decrypted ONLY with the user's account name and password.

God knows, we've defended our security practices in countless legal
proceedings. So many that government agencies rarely bother trying
anymore. The fact is that our security protects us just as much as it
protects our users. If it were ever to be proven that we could access
the information we claim we can't, we'd face some very serious
contempt and perjury charges.

As a defense, ignorance must be absolutely demonstrable and provable.
Ours is, and has withstood legal scrutiny many times.

Hushmail gave up information that they should have never had, plain
and simple. Once you have it, you don't have much choice in the face
of a proper subpoena. And once it's been proven that you have
information, it's almost impossible to turn off the information tap
without being charged with obstruction of justice. The solution is to
NEVER have anything.

SecureNym was subpoenaed at exactly the same time as Hush was. We
fought the subpoena, and beat it, so it didn't get far, but Hush just
submitted. The agencies involved even tried to force us to change our
programming, to facilitate their efforts. That's illegal, by any
standard, so our attorneys were able to stop this before it got off
the ground.

We can only speculate as to why Hush chose not to fight for their
users, but they did not.

In the end, it comes down to the business objective. Hush wants to go
public one day, and has accepted money from venture capitalists
toward that end. This is a slippery slope, and once you step foot on
it, things can go downhill rather quickly.

Investors don't like controversy, such as is provided by fighting the
DOJ. This is evidenced by the fact that most public companies will
furnish anything the government wants, often without even a subpoena.
ATT, AOL, and countless others fall into this category of gutless wonders.

SecureNym has had ample opportunity to be either acquired or diluted
with money from investors, such as Microsoft. SecureNym is privately
owned, and is going to stay that way. There are three principals, two
Americans and one Canadian. We have never accepted investments from
anyone, nor will we, because the day we do, we start losing control
of our company, and our security.

When that happens, you can no longer give your users what they pay
you to provide.

I hope this helps answer your questions.

Admin
SecureNym.net

How best to avoid chicks like this?  One that won't care if you're dying in front of her.  I stick with well reviewed TER girls but you never know.  I found heroin track marks on one girl's arm.  Heroin, given it's current illegal status leads to people hooked on unsafe product.

Also, mind-frame of politician and typical Joe: bright exec is dead!  It must be a crime!  That crime must be prostitution and drug use!  

Never mind that it might not be a crime at all.  Unless it's a crime to not recognize and somehow help someone who might be sick.  Not smart or not nice yes, but not a crime at this point.  The fact that prostitution and drugs remain illegal may contribute to shady characters within and unsafe product around respectively.  But most people can't think that hard.

Its no ones business when 2 consenting adults meet, If a 20 year old or a 50 year old woman or any woman wants to ask for a stipend to escort a guy to a show, then to the bedroom after, The bedroom after part proberly being the more common occurance,  
           People whom are uptight will always approach people whom are more free, with a scrutinizing demeanor, I know plenty of un sexually liberated people who just are so uncomfortable with themselves and thier bodies and men and mens body and they just get angry and uptight in any conversation concerning sex.  
           They also may even make fun ofthe women on there as they deep down probly only wish they had the balls to go and make that same money, Beneath the scrutiny is a bunch of tight ass , miserable, uptight, un sexually liberated, people with terrible , depressing sex lives, or lack there of.  
                        Those are the only whiny pants people that ll be makin fun of p411.
i think it ll bring business and curious guys to the site. I know the amount of the guys that see escorts that have no clue about ter or review sites, and they are constantly getting ripped off some even been invited into a sting or set up and get thier names in paper. Or a record. Because they are seeing ladies with no reviews that appear underage in the ads.  
                            As far as i know i never heard of any stories of stings infultrating the p411 or ter review world, They are more concerned with gettin the guys that are supporting the sex trafficing or under age prostitues being pimped out that are run aways , so they use the non reviewed younger photos and then catch the well, The dirt bags that go see women in that position, And they do exist and they know what they are doing and dont care, ......which is sad.

There have been several stings and they are listed on the P411 website periodically, which is the exact reason why P411 alone is not sufficient screening for many ladies.