Expect the assholes who insist that "their" happiness is, and will always be, paramount to bust your chops.

If more people took "self" out of many of lifes' equations, many volatile situations would come to a quicker resovle.

Most marriages break up due to one element either making selfish demands or just giving up.

I respect those who have balls to say

"Honey, here is half my stuff now go make someone else miserable"

Just saying "it's cheaper to keep her" has no honor, I won't go so far as to judge, but to expand on London's post. I am very happy my parents chose to divorce rather than endure an unhappy existence "for my sake". and I personally am thrilled with how my life has turned out after getting a divorce, rather than becoming an unhappy liar and cheater having to live a lie every day, because I know that's what in store for me if I hadn't ended my marriage.

I don't mean to judge those who stray, but to say there is some kind of honor to it is bullshit. There is no honor to enduring an unhappy marriage and news flash, some of you who think you are skilled actors and the family has no clue, well some of you aren't as good an actor as you might think you are.

But what the fuck do I know? i am just a shallow, rutting pig, that wants to fuck every hot woman I come in contact with. Of course as a happily divorced man, I am free to act on those baser impulses. lol

Actually I said "Honey, here is ALL my shit, now go make someone else miserable" and believe me, it was worth every dime.

and then just in case she had any ideas about getting any of my future earnings (an idea that was later put into her head by some "man hating" friends) I  closed my business and went golfing for a year until the divorce was final, and no one who has ever seen me golf would have any thoughts that I was preparing for a future career on the senior tour, at my best i could barely break 80, but it was kind of fun not working for a year, well until was completely broke of course. lol

when I filed for divorce.

Life is too short to stay with people you don't want to be with.

Unless of course like you mentioned one spouse is physically/mentally disabled.  Then it is truly an honorable thing to stand by them.

Hats off to those in unhappy relationships, who stay for kids, and because you're friends.  

I am not trying slam "cheaters" but to claim that cheating is honorable is just a giant crock of shit IMO when a lot of the time the guy is just a coward, scared of losing all his shit.

Of course in all fairness, it was't a cheating spouse that claimed it was honorable, it was an enabling hooker with a self serving ad, err I mean post.

I will confess when I reached that crossroads in my life and decided to escape a lifetime sentence of unhappyness, I had some of those same thoughts going through my mind, I came to that very conclusion, that by toughing it out, I would only be cheating myself our of any chance I might have had to be truly happy with my life.

If you are married to NORMAL female and she is not fucking you, take a good look at yourself.  See where YOU are failing as a man and as a husband.

If you are good in bed, decent looking and treat her with love and respect and she is still not fucking you - GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THAT INSANE BITCH.

I would think that most marriages end because they are based on a promise of forever and no one can predict forever

.we're unhappy, some of us just aren't getting laid at home (by our best friends)...

I pick my courses as much for the hot beverage girls as any other reason now a days, and If I shoot over a hundred, it doesn't bother me a bit. I'd much rather be happy shooting 100 than pissed because I shot 82, and that's where I am in my life right now.

I don't stoop so far as to fish ball out of the water, but I stopped buying the $12 a sleeve balata balls, and I am perfectly content with $20 a dozen "rock flights" as I used to call them back when I thought I knew how to play the game.

And it does work for some people.  Usually not very complex ones.

For those with multitude of interests and desires (both carnal and non) finding that ONE person is nearly impossible.

Sometimes providing that takes a lot.

With children involved, THEY are what's important. No one can make another happy. One chooses to be happy or or miserable. With children in my life happiness ALWAYS abounds. IMO, those who choose otherwise shouldn't be parents. I take a HARDLINE on parenting. Luckily, so does my wife. Its not bye chance that I chose her

but it is a pretty damn good one. lol

My wife would still fuck me when I decided to divorce her, the problem was, I didn't want her to. and I wasn't fucking anybody else. I will admit, I wouldn't have been faithful much longer if I hadn't asked for a divorce,  and that why I really try not to judge other men for cheating. (I said TRY, I didn't say I always succeeded)

How many husbands stay faithful to their wives? In my circle of friends, not one has strayed. There have been two divorces and remarriages. Not for infidelity, just a bad marriage.  Amongst acquaintances, a few had affairs with civvies. I'd say about thirty percent. I don't know if this is indicative of the general population. I wonder what the real percentage is.  

I don't know, but many children of divorce confess they wish their parents would have split...not the ones with parents who were good at hiding problems, obviously. I would never stay in a situation I was not happy in...rarely, are you doing anyone a favor. If the only way I could keep a man was because of bills and children, I would help him pack, not make threats of sole custody, and not try to bleed him dry in the process. That's just me, though.  

I've seen plenty of good marriages. Sure, they have their rough patches. That's life. But they come out better for it. There is the right somebody out there for people. I agree that a truely bad marriage helps no one - especially the kids. And happiness may just be meeting one person away. Life is too short. Fill it with love and laughter!!!

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them every time i heard this story )


What do you expect a client to say?  "I love my wife we have great sex but I cheat on her with escorts because I am a dog"?

No you are going to hear "my wife does not understand me anymore she wont be with me ... so for the sake of children i HAVE to pay strangers to fuck me"

the husband who likes, even loves his wife but the sex stopped? That's a grey area. I suppose the question comes down to... is he cheating himself out of happiness? I imagine it is scary to roll the dice and try to find love again. Really don't know the answer to this one. Probably different for everyone.

Not saying that her opinion isn't genuine, but intentionally or not, it is rather self serving.

I am rather pleased to see how many other providers are being rather candid with their opinions, and yes I am sure  every woman here gets to hear this same story on a rather regular basis.

My story is much different, I am just a horndog who can't ever seem to get enough pussy.My story is more like, "I can't get seven different hot civvy women each week to fuck me, for free so I HAVE to pay strangers to fuck me"  I can live with that. lol

with children is a partnership, a joint venture, a project. Breaking that structure, that cocoon of nurture nourishing and supporting the children, is a hellish task. Approached with regret, fear and loathing. So it is comparatively easy to "live separate lives", secret lives, while maintaining the framework and joint effort of parenthood, while playing the part for family, friends and even the kids.  

There are times that I could put an 80 up on the front 9...some of the courses I've played had lots and lots of water.

truth she gets "you are turning the men away with your attitude".

So in 99.99 percent you will get "self serving" responses. 0.01 applies to London and retired hookers

but statistically at least, arranged marriages have a success rate at least as good as good old fashioned "we fell in love" type marriages.

I could never imagine entering into an arranged marriage, nor can most Americans, but the stats do speak for themselves, arranged marriages are no more likely to fail than traditional ones.

I think if reason prevailed in relationships (I know- hardly ever happens) many wives would give their hubbies permission to outsource sex from a professional. It's one small thing in a much larger partnership. But what's good for one should be good for the other. I think marriages built solely on sexual fidelity are doomed.  

Is it that people marry too young, without knowing who they will be when they mature more? And then they grow apart? Or is it that people didn't realize who they were marrying? Maybe they married too fast? Or is it that the sex and passion die?

In this thread the number of non "self serving" responses is much lower than usual.

and yes I know that hookers are not really encouraged to be candid here. I guess it's the nature of it being a review board. Of course guys lie and suck up to the ladies here all the time as well, but those are just the manginas like the dungbeetle who barely qualify as male to begin with. lol

Whether under one roof or two, separated by blocks or a country. Same: Being active, loving parents.  

that "arranged" marriages can last much longer than marriages based on love and sexual fidelity. In arranged marriages I don't think there is necessarily the assumption that the person arranged for you is going to be every single possible thing to you. So sexual wandering might not be as damaging as it would be to marriages based on those things. Arranged marriages are often "business" partnerships on some level; an agreement between families to produce offspring and continue a family line and fortune/business/whatever.

And that's why people need to rethink this whole marriage thing!

first response was to flat out ask for a divorce as my wife held a 1 year old in her arms, crying. Yeah. Then counseling, meanwhile starting in the hobby. Seven years and about 8 sex acts between us, later, with four years solid with no sex between us at all? Wow. Meanwhile, the cocoon is intact. Unruptured. Working as designed. So, how to separate and keep precious cargo protected? That is the work of saints, geniuses, lawyers - No: Loving parents.  

Many couples think they are doing there kids some kind of giant favor and that no one knows who much they despise each other, when the truth is the couple involved are the only ones being fooled.

So the couple suffers through years, decades of unhappiness thinking they are doing the noble thing, only to find out twenty years later that it was all in vain, and that their children actually resent them for it.

Please don't think I am trying to tell you how to run your life, but every one has seen marriages like this in person, we all know somebody like this. Wouldn't it be a shame if the only person you were fooling by keeping this cocoon intact was yourself? Just saying......

First of all, there's an inherent contradiction in your scenario.  If you're in a truly unhappy relationship you are not friends.  As for "staying for the kids," if you're in a lousy relationship and are unhappy, you are doing them no favor.  They can pick up on the toxic atmosphere and know something's wrong.
Better to get out, do it decently, try to remain friends with your SO and still be a good dad to the kids.  It's possible.  I did it.  My kids are now happy, well-adjusted adults with decent values.  They did not suffer from the divorce.  The certainly would have be being raised by two unhappy parents.  One size does not fit all

I just have heard this situation time and time again. Yes, I did hear it tonight.

and making the point that you are pandering to your audience and potential customers is hardly an insult, it's simply stating the facts.

Don't think that you are alone in this, there have been blatant ads posted here on GD over the last few days that have all been pulled, and yes I insulted the hell out of those women for insulting our intelligence. My comments to you were hardly an insult, when I start insulting you I am pretty sure you will notice the difference.lmao

and gotten the hell out of her life. But parenthood changes everything. But you're too thick to get that.

Once you got to the point of asking for a divorce while she held the 1-year-old, did you dislike her as a person? Could the cocoon have remained if you were able to seek physical comfort elsewhere?

Maybe you're thinking of arranged marriages between people who have an extremely unequal power differential, like a young girl (child) and an older man. I am talking about between equals.

but to claim you aren't doing this as a job??? Get real, If you wanted to be a slut for free, you wouldn't bother with even a BP ad, or is this how you like to meet the men in your life?

looking back, two things killed our romantic love. (I still love her but without desire, which is apple pie without the apples.) First: Communication failures. Utter failures. Second, but equally tragic: Sexual incompatibility. Toxic brew.  

So if you had good communication, you might have been able to address things before they got really bad?

you don't like her? That sounds familiar. My brother's marriage is like that. You can feel it in the air when you're in their house. Everyone can. My brother and his wife are oblivious to it. The kids think it's normal. Don't get me wrong. They are decent to each other and take good care of the kids. But you can still feel it when you're there.

But yes, I'm 30 years old. I don't believe marriage is necessary. I can't have kids. So in the last year I've come to be scared (three times to be exact) to the fact that it precludes me from having these relationships that most seem to have. I'll never "encourage" anyone to marry me. We will never have kids to keep us together. Will I forever float aimlessly?

No divorce. We're not animali

I don't fucking do this as a job. Stop questioning my motives. The fact that you question them makes me think you aren't actually that liberated.

just as thick as NY cheesecake. My wife sister and her husband, bickering over trivial things, nonstop, while commenting to others about each other. At least with my wife, we don't get that nasty. More like we don't talk and don't touch, but smile and say hello, etc.

My brother and his wife don't bicker. They are just like you described yourself. And it's still in the air.

blow up out household and lives with the immediate (irresponsibly delayed) divorce "strippersrus" screams is so bleeding humane.

Around an excuse. You're not as cool as you think.

Yes, of course I"m responding to your post.  Sounds like you didn't read your own post.

I lived for well over 6 years in a marriage where the wife was simply waiting for me to blink first.
She was betting I'd either eventually lose my temper thus giving the upper hand in a divorce, or I'd simply walk leaving her the house. Rather than do either I soulfully told her one day that
"Although our marriage was a loveless, meaningless trial I accepted that it was how destiny must have planned, and I was quietly resigned to live the remainder of my life this way if need be".
THREE months later I came home late one Sunday afternoon after spending the day with a close friend and found she and her over indulged daughter; forever GONE! And thanks to the sly(but totally legal) way I purchased the home she had no recourse but to take her name off the mortgage, and I reside here still.  

I'm cheap enough not to need it.

I've been profiled as a rising entrepreneur in a major publication. Along with best of New York in NY Magazine. You want to brag about your accomplishments but don't think women may have them? I was making 6 figures by the time I was 25, if I reach out to a headhunter right now I would have an offer in less than 72 hours.  

Sometimes it makes more sense to not live with someone if you are not showing them love.

Hi Softly Sarah, I'll make it short and to the point.  A lot of marriages become unhappy because men marry women thinking they won't change and THEY DO! Women marry men thinking they will change and THEY DON'T! Ciao!

but your reviews seem to indicate that your suitors are less than impressed. Maybe you were the only one who was feeling better and/or sexy? Or maybe you'd be better off going back to your old job and fucking guys for free?  

Interesting choice of a word...

you could have communicated about that at the point you realized you had differing sexual needs, imagine this: say she agreed to let you meet those needs professionally with her blessing. Could you still be friends, partners and housemates, the children none the wiser?

I think sex should be removed as a main consideration in a decision to marry. Marriages should be built with a clause to allow outsourcing to professionals- by either partner- and based on things that run deeper and stand the test of time better than passion.

Whether it's 3 or 300. But in 6 months I've seen way more than 3 people. Does it hurt my feelings to be called fat or read it wasn't a good experience. YES. I'm human. Have I been thanked by more than 3 people significantly? YES.

to enter a committed relationship, and to stay in it, is HOPE. Hope for a better future, a better life, etc. People stay together when there is great hope; they part when there is not enough remaining.  

Being a hobbyist may compliment their life,  and they're wife's life as well.

The extra financial burden matters. I like my life style. I want to be able to provide my kids with all the opportunities I can. Splitting my income, my retirement, and my house in half would not allow me to keep the life I value.

I have, and have had the same problem. Even when still just dating before marriage, I always looked. I always wanted to fuck the hot chick at work, in the park, at the pool. None of my girl friends have ever stopped me from looking and wanting to act.

Huge reply to only a few words posted.

You have to do what's right. You have to go home to the family. You got to go home, okay? Look at me.
You got to go home. Smarten up.

that breath of fresh air your slap in the face honesty brings.  lol
xo

and in many cases also carry out genital mutilation practices to ensure she never enjoys sex.
I don't believe in arranged anything its forcing it imo

and well female genital mutilation is a whole nother thread but shows the mind set of many of these cultures women are not equal in their minds.
Her sexual pleasure is not allowed

probably last longer because there is an omnipotent omniscient invisible guy in the sky who will crush any spouse who strays, and a community culture that would likewise mete out punishment and disapproval.  I prefer the diversity of opinions and perspectives coming out in this current thread, which reflect attempts to understand and manage our own destinies with more emphasis on free will and personal responsibility.

Troll: person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community.  

responsibility and decency should always go hand in hand..

About the complete shocked part. One hundred percent.  

I agree 100%. I was "the child" in an unhappy marriage. My parents had me when my Mom was 16 and my Dad was 18. They tried to make it work, but they were kids when they got married and they should have never tried to stay together as long as they did. They were each very unhappy and stayed together for me and because that's what they were supposed to do. Well bullshit, even though I was young I picked up on the unhappiness and was unhappy myself. Then they got divorced and I was able to learn who each of my parents were, because they weren't putting up a facade anymore, they were being themselves. I never had kids, but I was once married and when I realized that I wasn't happy and after making a year and discussing that with my ex, we made an effort to work on our marriage to try to make it work. It didn't work out and we went our separate ways. We are still friends, we talk once or twice a month, we just couldn't live with one another. Staying together in a loveless unhappy marriage for any reason is just plain bullshit. Our lifetimes aren't long enough to spend time in an unhappy relationship. My ex has moved on and found someone that makes her happy, and I'm happiest being alone, except for the quality time I spend with providers, and then they leave. Bottom line is the vast majority of people can't mask the fact that they are unhappy, everyone they know sees it and that unhappiness in a parent is much worse to a child than the parents getting divorced and being happy and loving them instead of staying in the marriage and perhaps one day resenting their children for being the thing that kept them in a bad marriage. That's my opinion, I didn't charge you for it and that's what it's worth.

the difficulties under these circumstances, and wish all of those the best in keeping sane in relationships. Sometimes you think someone is one way, then ten years down the line, BAM! You've got no idea who they are. Kind of a terrifying, shocking experience.

and money isn't everything, but why would someone intentionally seek out guys who can't afford a measly 300 clams for an encounter?  Could it be that she KNOWS that guys of substance aren't going to give her a second glance?

Again, I don't want to cross over the line into being insulting, but her posts and attitude begs the question. As you implied, $100 grand in NYC is barely over the poverty line, what kind of loser are you going to attract who can't afford half a days pay for a date? To make matters worse, even by the low standards of TER and the even lower standard of BP, she doesn't seem to be making many people very happy, especially not the guys she is trying to attract.

Oh well,like I said "whatever floats her boat"

think Cossette is a sex addict and she has come up with an easy way to fuck as many guys as she can. Way easier than trolling bars. Plus she makes a little on the side as well. What's wrong with that. She clearly is different.

Sex gives people a feeling of euphoria, it does not 'save' shit. You don't have sex for another person (your spouse), you have it for YOURSELF. Most marriages end because of selfishness in one form or the other. If we did nothing but think about the other person's needs and forsake our own, would that not solve a lot of issues? Believe it or not, there are people in this world who still get pleasure from putting others first...funny how happy one can become when they stop focusing on themselves.

Sorry, but that is YOUR problem...not your wife's and certainly not your children's problem.

But I do truly like to connect with guys, not just in the fucking sense, good conversations are stimulating and hot.

I LOVE THAT RESPONSE !!!! Looking at myself as I type......

So, although she might have made that, talk to other NYers and see how far that goes...it is the most expensive place to live by far. Also, their taxes are a bit different too...have to call up that guy crazyshit to explain it, but he quoted something like 40 percent for certain Finance Gurus, so they are hit pretty damn hard there too.  

Exactly. I hate weaklings. Put up or shut up, but stop with the "poor me" bullshit. No one is buying it, though we will still take the money lol. Cosette is new, but she will soon realize that 90 percent of guys will be feeding her this same story, and only 10 percent are actually not full of shit.

I believe you. That's why you advertise 4 hr sessions for 600 or whatever. Clearly more time is better for you. I like the meet and greet dates for a very reasonable rates. A unique business model because for you it isn't even really a business.

Backpage has all types of people, there's always guys on here talking about going on it. So they're here and on there cross-referencing. Seriously, I've met 2 pretty important famous people and a whole bunch of other high quality guys. Of course I also get the texts, "yo, how much for a quickie?" Easy to ignore though.

My ex makes $250K now after getting a phd in math, what was he making before? $20K stipend, and he's freaking good quality. I hate to use anecdotal reasoning to debate, but oh well. What determines someone of substance? I'd love to hear your take - oh wait, no I wouldn't, I think it would depress me and make me lose my faith in humanity.

Sorry, but I would rather have a dad I saw happy on the weekends vs. one who was fking hookers behind my mother's back, saying it was 'for me.' Most sane children would as well.  

guys see providers as explained in many of the threads in this post; i.e. a physical need that isn't available at home whether it be because the wife/so is not interested or maybe the guy is single.

That's fair, and I have admitted to meeting some great guys from BP in years past, BUT it is in fact the lowest of the low in this business, next to USA sex guide. I think the primarcy concern most of us have for you is not how much money you make or who you choose to fk, but for your safety, sanity, and for guys to treat you better. Your reviews show a lot of assholes, making their insults appear to all be your fault, when that is rarely the case. Guys who pay the least expect the most, so it's the marketing that is suffering the most. It is so easy to weed out idiots who grade hard in reviews...so easy lol.

Exactly. No one is going to come here and tell me (someone who has been in this business for 10 years on all ends of the market) that gems are just flocking in droves to BP...espcially in NY. Also, anyone who would not want to make the most money possible for ANY venture (including one they claim to be addicted to) just seems a bit asinine. I would sing for free every day if I could, but I also would not turn down 2k a night if I knew I could get it...absurd.  

There are still dangers in this business and a way to go about it, that are in place regardless of one's reasons for entering it. You can't just say, "Oh, I don't need to screen because I am not really a hooker, I am a sex addict." The cops beg to differ. The more risks you take as far as advertising venues and rates, the more danger you are putting yourself in. Guys are not here to give a shit about our issues or reasons...they pay to fk. If being with a sex addict was their agenda and better to them than getting 'their money's worth,' she would have all 9s and 10s, so it's obvious the guys are looking for a SERVICE provider, and not a human being with a reason. Some might care, but most don't give two shits.  

I've gotten the same from nice guys worried about my safety because I am nice. One even, who has become a friend and we chat once a day, asks me if I'm meeting someone and follows up.

Comedian Aziz Ansari has a good bit about this. His parents are an arranged marriage (30 years?) and they couldn't be happier. His conclusion from his (limited) research is that arranged marriages have a harder time in the beginning, but are happier in the long run, whereas love marriages are euphoric in the beginning and miserable in the long term (generally speaking).

and 10 pages of reviews, yet you post under an alias so no one knows shit about you. Who is more of a troll by the general definition?

for damn good reason. It is objectively deviant and corrupting behavior in the minds of most people on the planet. So don't sit like a pig and throw mud at swine. Let's just squirm together and enjoy our mutual nastiness without being holier than thou.

This is true, but you're avoiding the issue. Whether my dad was cheating with a whore or his assistant is of no conern to me...I would prefer he did not do it at all 'for my sake' and be happy so my mother was not sitting at home, naive thinking her man was not possibly bringing home an STD. Sorry, I am just not one for bs excuses and justifications. You cheat for YOU...no one else. Own it, like I own taking a part in that same cheating by getting paid for it.  

I was just about to make a joke and say "It's none of my business…" or "none…" but, I guess when we put it out there, it's our business...

Any woman with a pulse, no matter how heinous can usually manage an average appearance score of 7, There are some downright scary women in their fifties who manage to get 8's and 9's. Everyone here knows it, some people just won't admit it.

If you were to just read a couple of dozen profiles at random, you would find that your reviews are in the bottom 20 percentile range. Sorry, like I said earlier, I don't really want ot be insulting, but the facts are the facts.

and yes I am quite shallow in matters such as this. just picture me as a river that while being a mile wide, is only an inch deep. That's me, SHALLOW, and a pig, but a very happy pig.lol

She still wants sex but I am just not physically attracted to her anymore. I was sexually repressed growing up; I  was a typical Asian geek who studied hard and had no time for girls.  Then I worked hard for a very long time to make a comfortable living without getting involved in any relationship. Now I think I am just re-living my younger years with beautiful girls this time. I don't want to use a sexless relationship (which is my fault) as an excuse for my hobbying; I just like to have fun with beautiful women. Plus, I just don't think it is natural to have sex with only one person for the rest of my life.

Your analogy does not really work in comparison to selling your body. If you were ONLY seeing guys who thought you were hot as hell, gave you great reviews, and you thought the same of them as well, then of course that analogy might work, being the money would not be as significant as the benefits of the job, but it does not sound or look like you are getting such benefits on a regular basis. If you even have to deal with ONE guy who is an asshole or did not wash his balls that day, the rate aint worth it is what he means.

A troll does not apply to the above list....

I see guys talking about girls and making fun of them for putting too much emphasis on numbers. I'm happy with my scores. In "civie" life, the term cracks me up, I would consider myself a 7 - I am attractive, so I anticipated that doing this I would be a 6, since looks are much more important. In performance I'm also comfortable. My highest possible score can only be a 9, I don't do anal, and not really Bi, so my score is good. Not to mention that I will NEVER encourage or discourage someone from writing. I had guys emailing me their condolences when those reviews went up, and yet didn't write their own review, nor did I ask.  

I will continue to remind you. You can't say "the grass is blue" have me correct you and remind you that the "grass is green" and then after a dozen posts of you claiming the grass is blue, despoite all the proof to the contrary, you declare "this horse is dead" while all the time maintaining the "grass is blue"

Unless of course we are at the home of the Boise State Broncos, in which case the grass really is blue. lol

I didn't try to measure it for length but this thread is the longest I've ever seen.  Wonder if there's a way to check?  Oh, and would someone please put a bullet in this turkey?

Look, I'm happy too, if I wasn't I wouldn't continue to do this. If bad things continued to happen, I wouldn't be doing it, I'm not insane.

premium pussy, luxury treatment!

ate Coquette was outed for using fake photos and it was a mighty long and impressive train wreck. She made the classic mistake of trying to defend herself to virtually every poster. People just kept piling on. It was great fun. Hey remember Fake Finder.

I've never said it's better to stay unhappily together than to divorce. What I've said is that parents (whether together or divorced) have a joint duty to care for and protect their children. Deciding WHEN to divorce is a personal decision that each partner must make. The idea of staying unhappily together for the kids is worth debating. Many people think that's bad. But the level and type and potential harm of marital discord varies widely so divorce (versus therapy versus taking more time to see what happens or for better financial conditions to arrive) is a personal decision.    
   
In my personal case (since I've put it out there) I agree that divorce is the best option. I've just not acted upon it with finality yet. It's a personal goal for 2014. All things must be in good order.....
   
I've NEVER said I cheat for anyone but myself. I spoil my cock with premium pussy, luxury treatment, at significant financial cost. Fucking prostitutes will happen regardless of divorce. Regardless of parental status. It (like drinking alcohol or smoking) is a personal decision borne out of self gratification. Indulgence in carnal pleasure, pure and simple.  
   
My personal goal is to divorce, find Ms. Right and stay out of this world. That's my goal. But today I'm swimming in the shit of TER like everyone else reading this board.

Some people know how to 'work the system', choosing their clients based on how they review. Some are just making money without a strategy. Whatever floats their boat; however, really, scoring system can be deceiving.  

Deny what facts?

I stayed for the kids but not primarily for their benefit.  I've done enough reading to know they are resilient enough to thrive as well  post-divorce as they might in an unhappy home.  I stayed because I wanted to stay part of my kids' every day lives.  I didn't want to be a  weekend dad.  

But you don't dissolve the relationship because...?

..didn't work though. Those reviews were reinstated a couple of weeks later.

You know, arranged marriages were very common in white groups too until not long ago. The concept of marrying for love is extremely recent.

assume the archaic version where parents force their children to marry complete strangers. This is not what I am referring to. However, as I posted above in response to Deen, marriages based on love are extremely recent in human history. It wasn't until the advent of the women's movement that the idea of marrying whomever you wanted started to become acceptable.

do I come across as naive? Interesting perspective. At least you're not petrified anymore.

have you ever thought of bringing up the topic of an open relationship to her?

bare in mind . Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Let us judge not , but learn from example.