it was an honest mistake, I simply miscounted the number of 20's I put on her chest-of-drawers. The session was great, but on the way home, my cell-phone rang. It was her questioning the amount I left. My first thought was "no way, what is this?" But i pulled over, checked my wallet, I always make sure I know how cash i have on me when I hobby, and found a couple of unexpected 20's.
I don't remember if she was still on the line, or if I called her back, but I immediately turned around. I apologized profusely, which she graciously accepted. I know all was forgiven as I booked a booked a couple of another visits with her.
This hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm so neurotic about it that I count several times, and again upon arrival, and even then in the back of my mind I wonder if I screwed up (got the rate confused or whatever).
But if you do short-change, and she alerts you to it later, what to do? How do you get her the rest without setting a new appointment, and if you tried to set a new appointment, why would she trust her time to you to make up the difference appropriately (assuming you are not a multi-repeater with her so she knows it hasn't happened before).
I suggest her to others... that was the wildest night!!! in fact... on unique experiences it was the most incredible night ever... one that I know can never be duplicated... I went for a one hour session... several hours later I left - almost unable to walk...
I had brought only enough money for the one hour.... and this was in a city distant from me... so I could not just "go back" but I do send others to her... she is just incredible.
I put a money order in the mail. She sent a thank-you email upon receipt. No problems and several repeat visits.
I have had gentlemen who have gone way over and then later sent me gift cards through email or mail to me to make up the difference. I've also gotten money orders and green dot and visa gift cards from those who have either shorted on accident, went over and wanted to make up the difference or my cancellation NCNS fee.
they are too much of a hassle and for me, keeping them around would amount to a "tell tale sign".
Having said that, I always count out the payment several times and then place it into a separate pocket, away from all other pocket money. Usually the payment is the only thing in that particular pocket.
On one repeat trip to a well known lady, I paid afterward. I simply reached into "that" pocket and laid down on the table everything in the pocket. It was her incall. As I was walking to my vehicle, she called on my cell asking where the "other" 50 was. I reached in and there it was, having somehow gotten separated from the other bills. I went back in and apologized profusely. I think she believed me, but I'm sure she was wondering.
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But if you had used an envelope that never would have happened 
I tend to get the donation in large bills when I make deposits so counting is not a challenge for me. When I do hit the ATM I count the 20's two or three times. Either way it goes into a small envelope. I keep a box of them in my vehicle.
I have never shorted a gal or forgotten to leave the donation but I have come close once or twice. If it's an in call the envelope comes out of my pocket and onto the dresser as I enter the room. If it's an out call the envelope is on the dresser or night stand when the lady comes in.
I did forget to pay a stripper once and didn't realize it until I got to the toll booth and found the cash I had set aside for her in my shirt pocket. It was a great excuse to take her to lunch the next day...
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I've been doing this for over twenty-five years. I'm allowed at least one oops, don't ya think? As I stated, managing envelopes is a problem for me. If I kept a box of envelopes ANYWHERE it would be a big red flag.
So your gonna get me started on stripper pay offs? I had one rip me off once. I once had a favorite stripper who told me she collected plates (to hang on the wall). Well, at that time a private dance went for $20 per song. I travel allot so I went out of my way to buy her one for $35, had it gift wrapped, hand carried it all the back from Europe. I gave it to her up front. She loved it and then proceeded to give me a nice kiss and exactly ONE dance. Negotiating after the fact of course was useless. Strange tho. It took her almost a year to get the hint before she quit asking me if I wanted a private dance.
You gave her a plate and she gave you a dance. That seems generous to me. Honestly, Most of the strippers I know would have thanked you for the plate and still charged you for a dance...Don't get me wrong, I think what you did was a very nice gesture but dancers dance for money, it's their job. She can't pay her bills with a decorative plate.
Not sure where you are located but dances are still $20 a song for the most part in my neck of the woods. The first thing that I learned about strippers about 30 years ago is that they never forget who spent money on them and they seldom give up trying to get them to spend more.
I've been at this for a while myself...
About the specific dancer. She told me about her hobby and specifially asked for the plate ahead of my trip and then promised "payment in kind". I was just glad I hadn't spent allot more on it.
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are heartless, one who was especially kind to me... and was a sweetheart... once laid a pile of cash on my son... she is very much missed.
One of my best friends is a retired dancer. In fact, most of my closer friends are dancers and escorts. This may be due totally to the fact that I lead a "double life" but at some point I decided that my secret-life friends were more open and honest than my real-world "friends".
Yes, a dancer's job is to get the customer's money. A smart and confident woman can be good at that and still manage not to lose herself in the job. Dancing however is a sales job and there is a fair amount of BS that has to happen for a lady to be successful. Men need to understand that before they walk into a club. I have a couple of favs who are former dancers and, though they were both good at it, both prefer escorting simply because the BS factor is eliminated.
That is a detail that you probably should not have left out of your original post. If the barter arrangement was agreed to up front that is an entirely different situation.
I once exchanged dances for a Harvard University parking pass!
I short-changed by accident. Her rates were not clear on one site, and I didn't realize it until after the date and saw her rates on another site.
I e-mailed her about it, and explained. She told me not to worry about it. I made it up to her on the next date.
Unless you missed it by alot, it is not worth the hassle of collecting the last few $'s. If she alerts you, do what she asks. If you are not going to see her again, let her know, and let her figure out what she wants to do.
it was an honest mistake, I simply miscounted the number of 20's I put on her chest-of-drawers. The session was great, but on the way home, my cell-phone rang. It was her questioning the amount I left. My first thought was "no way, what is this?" But i pulled over, checked my wallet, I always make sure I know how cash i have on me when I hobby, and found a couple of unexpected 20's.
I don't remember if she was still on the line, or if I called her back, but I immediately turned around. I apologized profusely, which she graciously accepted. I know all was forgiven as I booked a booked a couple of another visits with her.
This has been one of my fears. Like some others, I prefer to not wrap the donation. After several countings, I fold in half, put a paper clip on it & put it in my front pocket with my keys. This way it's easy to inconspiciously slip onto a dresser for her.
I have been afraid of screwing up & leaving without dropping it but I could not get my keys out without sticking my hand in that pocket. Once, after a long chat with a fav, I was surprised to find it in the pocket.
If I'd screwed up I'd have driven back with the cash (long drive)... I hadn't thought of a MO.
I also ma very neurotic and count it several times before I put it in the envelope. But I also put a couple of extra 20s in a different pocket just in case she tells me I shorted her, so that I can quickly correct the mistake.
I think I might have accidentally shorted a girl once by like 20. I gave her the envelope, she counted it, then her attitude turned really negative and she gave me a bad session. If the problem was that I shorted her, I wish she would have just said so.
I can understand accidentally leaving out a $20, but no one accidentally puts in an extra $20. That's always confounded me.
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I went to see a provider where she had arranged the incall hotel room. In our prior communications, she had said the room would be roughly, say $100 to $110.
I called her back as I approached her location, and she gave me the hotel name and room number, but I forgot to ask what the actual room rate was.
After I parked, I found myself in the car not knowing exactly what amount to put in the envelope (donation plus $100 or donation plus $110). I opted for the latter.
Once I got inside, I was so overwhelmed by her, I forgot to clarify. I just dropped the envelope and things proceeded very well (for me).
At the end of the session, as I stmubled over to my wallet, watch, and keys, she had placed $10 there. I asked about it, and she replied that the room was $100, so she returned the extra $10 I had put in the envelope.
I had planned on tipping her anyway, after she blew my mind, so I just gave her back the $10 along with the rest of the tip.
Just a little action showing a lot of class and honesty on her part, I thought.
but not enough for me to complain... I think it was that we did not "hit it off" and she wanted me out of sight... as she would not reschedule time the next day... I kinda liked her.. and was sorry that she broke off... but hey... life is like that!
I would still recommend the lady though as she was fun... and a LOT of fun to be around.
obviously it's not as common, but i've had a couple of clients overpay before. one in particular overpaid me by almost double. most of the time i try to give folks the benefit of a doubt (probably naive on my part but there ya go), and i won't count the donation, or even look at it, until after they leave. when i counted what he had left i was like OH....MY....GAWD. i was actually really nervous because i was like what if he realizes his mistake later on and then comes back with an attitude or something? i sent him an email that evening explaining the mistake to him, and letting him know that i'd apply the extra towards a future date. we were both happy with that arrangement, he was back the next week and got to stay an extra hour because of the "bonus."
oh, and he ended up overpaying so much because he only knew my hourly rate, and didn't feel comfortable asking me about multi-hour rates (we'd spent 3 hrs together), so he just multiplied the hour rate X 3. now i try to clarify those things with gents upfront.
I then checked with her a few days after a session, and she said she didn't grandfather, and that she was going to mention it, but allowed it because it was a multi-houred session.
I paid her back over the next two sessions.
The darn exchange rate screwed me up in November. The US dollar vs the Canadian dollar. It used to be cheap to hobby in Canada due to the exchange rate. Last November I left to much money due to the exchange rate difference. It was changing drastically it seemed every day. I ended up leaving $$ to much at least.
One time, I booked an hour with a provider. We had a pretty good time and I didn't leave for almost 2 hours. I paid her for 1 hour.
A month later, during a session with her roommate, I was told that I short changed her and she wasn't happy. I had no idea because I was always under the impression that setting time limitations are the duty of the provider. After all, I'm conceited so it's not inconceivable to me that a provider might want to voluntarily spend her own time having sex with me. In any event, I was wrong at least in this case. I gave the extra money to the roommate and sent her a PM on TER to confirm her receipt.
Lesson learned.
It IS the ladies responsibility to end the session. it's her money, it's her time, it's her business, she is the timekeeper.
I book two hours with my two favs and in each case we regularly spend anywhere from three to five hours together. Neither has ever complained in fact they both encourage it. One of them retired last year and currently only sees me when I am in town. The other grandfathered me at her old rate when she went up even though she gives me almost double the time that I pay for.
Sorry but keeping you in the sack for an extra hour and then asking for more money is either up sell trickery or just plain stupid. Either way it's bad business.
you are right, lesson learned. when one is seeing a provider, it should never be forgotten that this is all technically a business arrangement. not that providers and hobbyists don't sometimes become quite attached to one another and develop meaningful relationships or even just pure unadulterated lust. it's not unheard of for a provider in such a situation to not care about the time or her rate and simply stay in a gent's company for as long as he likes. however one should never assume this is the case.
it's funny...if a provider is a "clockwatcher", and noticably keeping track of the time and making it clear to the hobbyist, she gets a reputation for being cold, clinical and non-GFE. now if she doesn't watch the clock and allows the gent to get caught up in the wonderful fantasy, she's also in the wrong. with some folks, you just can't win.
personally i'm not a clockwatcher (although i always have one clearly visible from any place in the room), and quite often men will be surprised at the length of time we have spent together. but isn't that much of the point really?...to feel as if one has escaped into a land of bliss for just a while, to not be focused on hours and minutes, dollars and cents. personally if it were my money and i were the client, i'd be keeping careful track of the time because i wouldn't wish to spend any more than i intended.