I have a feeling you'll end up turning away good clients in your quest to eliminate the bad clients.
In my person website I've very well explain who i'm as a provider and have my pictures on it showing guys I'm not a small woman
Even thought I asked every caller "Did you read my website fully " when they said yes but sometime they really didn't
I honest marking myself. I want everyone fully and carefully read my website before they contact me , so they can decide if i'm the one for them or not
I'm think about added a security question to each caller such as : Do you know how tall I'm ? or tell me how many cat I have in my apartment ? I have well describe those detail in my website.
By asking that , If they know the answer's of the question that is mean they did read everything I post. I can set appt with them !
I want get rid of those caller who just roll down my website didn't read anything but my phone number and call!
How you guys think of those security question works ?
p.s : An other question. If you know how to added my website to TER signature every time I post. Please PM me
The layout of your website is straightforward and it doesn't take much time to scroll from top to bottom. Your info is at the top and your pics are at the bottom. What about putting a code word, like the name of a flower, at the very bottom of the page? You could change it weekly or daily or however often you want. Then, when a client calls, it would be very simple to ask him for the code word. That would show, at the very least, that he made it to the bottom of the page. If you want to be more thorough, you could put another code word elsewhere in the site. Although even that won't completely prevent clueless callers who see the information but don't absorb it. Thoughts?
.... Glamazon or Statuesque.
Even though as soon you go to her site she has the word statuesque right there already on the homepage.
Maybe she should put the definition of those or both somewhere on her site. Bless their non-reading hearts.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glamazon
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Statuesque
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I was going to reply to your other post, the same way. I think asking those questions is a good idea but everyone here knows what is going to happen. You'll get some correct answers and you'll get a bunch of fools who won't know WTF you're talking about! I guess that means it WILL be fool proof! You'll screen out the fools who didn't read your website. (But give them a second chance to go back and read and call again.)
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I'm waiting for your testing results. I hope you'll post them here. I'll predict that only 3 of the first 10 new callers will know the answers.
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About attaching a link "automatically" or permanently, like an automatic signature file ... I don't think it can be done. All of our (Providers, non-providers) posting forms are the same, I think. There's a box at the bottom for a link but no automatic feature.
In my person website I've very well explain who i'm as a provider and have my pictures on it showing guys I'm not a small woman
Even thought I asked every caller "Did you read my website fully " when they said yes but sometime they really didn't
I honest marking myself. I want everyone fully and carefully read my website before they contact me , so they can decide if i'm the one for them or not
I'm think about added a security question to each caller such as : Do you know how tall I'm ? or tell me how many cat I have in my apartment ? I have well describe those detail in my website.
By asking that , If they know the answer's of the question that is mean they did read everything I post. I can set appt with them !
I want get rid of those caller who just roll down my website didn't read anything but my phone number and call!
How you guys think of those security question works ?
p.s : An other question. If you know how to added my website to TER signature every time I post. Please PM me
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I know that I am probably not the person that you want responding, but your comment about how many cats you have in your apartment caught my attention. (I LOVE cats and just lost one of mine a few months ago.) So of course, I actually wanted to see how many cats you had - one.
I haven't really been in "the game" lately but curiosity gets the best of me every now and again, so I venture online just to see what is happening. I may not be the best person to answer your question, but when I was still advertising 2-3 years ago, I became frustrated with a lot of the guys who would call or text without even knowing what MY name was, nor did they read any of my advertisement other than the phone number. I like your idea of having your own questions to help with screening out the guys who cannot follow directions. I found that the guys that actually wanted to see me that had messed up the first time around by not even doing what I had asked would try again and make sure that they followed through with what I asked. Just my opinion, but hopefully it helps a little bit.
I have a feeling you'll end up turning away good clients in your quest to eliminate the bad clients.
That may be the case if she decides to go this route, but I know that when I was working while in school, I turned away more people than I would have liked because they would say or do something that I felt put me at risk. Like coming to an appointment extremely drunk or insisting on asking what services I provide, even after I said that I would not discuss that - anyone that doesn't know why this type of discussion shouldn't happen should research what cops do to make an arrest for either side of this hobby. Most of the guys that contacted me and made me decide that I was ready to focus on other parts of my life were the guys that she seems like she is dealing with. I would specifically say in an ad to contact me with "x" information to be verified on the first contact and 90% of them would just send a text saying "Hey." They had no idea who I was, they couldn't come up with my name, they just wanted to know if I was available. I would ask something basic like what their name or handle was to at least give them a chance at being screened and they refused to give any information because they "just wanted to know if I had an appointment in 10 minutes." They may be good clients after the session has started, but unfortunately, the majority of guys that ended up contacting me towards the end of when I was doing this weren't good enough clients to learn how to behave prior to getting an appointment.
Some years ago a gal described how she offered a challenge that if a prospective client could find the secret message buried in the text of her site, he would get $50 off the session. This helped ensure that the guy would read the entire site. Whether it worked or not I don't know, but you have to admit it would be greeted more warmly than a negative approach.
On top of this, you have to realize that up to 20% of adults in the country are functionally illiterate, and so reading a website beyond the phone number and price is a stretch, and this, I believe, is the principal cause of guys not reading websites. It behooves gals to make their sites as elegant as possible.
What that seems to mean in the advertising world is the opposite of what behooves them.
To include the semi-literate, utter simplicity and brevity are called for.
Yes, I find that elegant. I'm a nerd. Those who promote web design "elegance" use the word rather differently.
But if you meant she should use "elegant" confusing hard-to-read design to weed out the semi-literate, OK. Just be sure to obfuscate the phone number especially well ... .
Ladies in the biz are already having to deal with being lowballed since the whole FOSTA/SESTA bill passed. Putting up a discount for correctly reading a lady's website? And if they are functionally illiterate would it matter anyway?
Steph XO
and believe me, I wouldn't want to do anything to knowingly reduce your income, but I myself work in a very price competitive industry, and we have a saying that goes: Half of anything is worth more than all of nothing..
The offer would, of course, only be a one time thing and only for new clients, to suck them in, so to speak.
As for the illiterates, as you point out, there's nothing you can do about that except exclude them, or add remedial reading classes to your menu.
Offering 50 bucks off a rate of $500 hr is one thing, giving a whopping 25% discount off just for reading her website is quite another.
I find myself agreeing with Steph here, you can only discount so much off of already discounted prices before it doesn't even make any sense to get out of (or into) bed to go to work. lol
The other thing about discounting "too much" is that it attracts a certain type of bargain seeking customers, and some customers really aren't worth having. My industry has also gotten rather price competitive over the last couple of years and I've got a client who owes me enough money to pay for a couple of hundred sessions, but he's such a pain in my ass, not to mention CHEAP, I am seriously considering just eating the money in order to get him out of my life.
but I think when it comes to "already discounted" rates, it depend on WHY they are already discounted. Having read thousands of provider profiles over the years, Its pretty obvious there is a natural decline in prices as providers age and they must compete with the younger ladies for the available customers. With the natural compromise of their physical "assets" the only viable way to be competitive is to lower rates. I'm sure this is a tough pill to swallow for some, and thus, they may view their rates as "already discounted." If there was a way for them to reverse the aging process, and look and act younger, then I'm sure the converse would be true and that would be a justification for RAISING prices. So while to me, Fisher's anecdote is really about a marketing "gimmick" to get a customer to read the website and avoid being a timewaster, which costs the provider more in the long run, I don't see it as a discount, but even if it is, it has nothing to do with why a provider's rates may have been lowered compared to the days when she was in her prime. I think the definition of "already discounted" rates can embrace a broad range of issues, and many rates charged by older providers are not really "discounts", just ADJUSTMENTS to bring their rates into parity with their age group.
If every other Chevy dealer is charging $30,000 for a particular model, and you are charging $40,000, lowering your price to $35,000 would technically be an "already discounted" price, but doesn't bring it into parity with what others are charging. So I think providers need to look at the current situation and see WHERE the market is for other provides of similar age and appearance. If they want customers, they will have to be competitive, and bring their rates to levels at which other COMPARABLE providers are marketing themselves, regardless of whether they have "already discounted' their rates or not. They can't expect to be 50-60 and charge the same rates as a provider who is 30-40. When the profiles were up, it was easy to see there is a definite correlation between age and price bracket, and the smart marketers will take advantage of that in identifying and targeting their potential customer base.
If every other dealer is charging $30,000 and you are charging $40,000 than you are the exact OPPOSITE of an "already discounted" rate.
Lets look at the facts of THIS case. The OP gets $200 hr, Unless she looks like a pig, no one could argue that she is "overcharging" in fact she is at the very lower limit of what she needs to charge to even be considered "legitimate" by most TER mongers. Once you get below the $200 price point most TER mongers put a provider into the "low rent BP hooker" category. Whether or not the OP is "worth" the rate she charges is a completely subjective debate, I have never met her and I don't have a clue as to what she is "worth", but the argument that at $200 she is somehow above prevailing market rates is specious at best.
It has been MY experience over a period of time a lot longer than yours that once a provider drops below $200 hr, she cheapens her brand to the point that no respectable monger will even consider her.
I said if you lower YOUR price from $40,000 to $35,000, you may claim that your price is "already discounted" but if the market is at $30,000, it means nothing that you are claiming you're already discounted. Its a great analogy if you understand it. Apparently, not everyone does. Lol
I agree with everything you said about a below-$200 dollar rate. I wasn't referring to the OP, I was coming in behind your's and Steph's discussion about "already discounted" rates. My point was already discounted compared to WHAT? I should have been more clear, but since I put "already discounted" in quotes because it was the terminology you and Steph used in your respective posts, I thought it would be clear. Apparently not. My apologies for lack of specificity on which post I was responding to.
I can't tell you how many hundreds of times GaGa has mis-read or twisted what I've said and I've told him to "go back and read" my post again. How many times has he done it? Zero.
GaGa does NOT want to be confused with the facts. He never lets one get in the way of a nice zinger.
No one will talk to him on "his" board, so now he thinks that someone will talk to him here.
As for your posts, I can't help it that for a pedantic putz you often get VERY sloppy with the written word. It's not that I don't reread your posts, "just to be sure" it's that I always come away with the same conclusion. There is no need for me to "twist" your words, any more than I need to "twist" LTM&L's many lies. Your posts speak for themselves and sometimes they are written so poorly they don't say what you later claim they say.
I no longer have a one hour rate at all and I have a two hour minimum for incall dates because I don't have a static incall location.
It's working out quite well for me.
Steph
Yes, while there are people trying to take advantage of the whole FOSTA/SEATA thing, thinking ladies are desperate, does not mean I'm taking them up on it.
My point is if I have to give some kind of incentive for reading my whole website, I don't want them as a client anyway. That was my point to Fish...with all of the crap going on right now with some people trying to lowball, giving a discount for READING our websites is not a good idea IMO. We have enough to deal with right now. So for me, it's not a matter of discounting on top of discounts. My extended date packages are incentive enough for me. They were my rates before all of this started and they are my rates now. No changes. And my rates aren't based on my age either just because *some* think I'm too old, lol.
Steph XO
but as a few others have said, make it "fun" with the code word and/or a few $ off for getting a trivia question correct (and a quick ghosting if wrong, LOL).
I already like the way your website highlights in color the most important issues. A guy really must be an idiot or delusional if he misses the points you're trying to make. My only comment is that based ONLY on your pictures, you don't LOOK that tall. So I imagine guys that just skim for pics and price miss the important details.
Sometimes threads have an understandable tendency to wander away from the original issue. In this particular case it's expanded somewhat into a discussion of pricing and relative value. While lots of interesting points have been raised, the purpose of this post is to direct attention back to your original issue. And I would respectfully submit that, the simpler the solution you choose, the easier it will be to implement and maintain. For example (shameless plug for my earlier suggestion), if you put a picture of a flower as the last photo on your site, at the very bottom of the page, then a client interaction might go something like this: (Client) Hi, I'd like to schedule an appt. (You) Ok, have you read through my website? (C) Yes. (Y) Great, can you please tell me what's my flower of the week? (C) Chrysanthemum. (Y) Wonderful! What day and time are you looking for? And, for those who can't answer, you can easily ask them to go back and read the entire site. Whether that works for your particular situation is something only you can decide. But, IMHO, the more you can keep things simple, without a lot of moving parts, the better it should work for the long run. Good luck!