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MissMarie See my TER Reviews 87 reads
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And I would hope someone would take the time to be polite about the way they presented the issue. So many of us get sooo busy, that at times that newsletter gets put off till the last minute, late at night, and some things get missed. Some of us are still figuring out this whole newsletter thing in the first place lol.

Good advice from a seasoned business women in any industry should always be welcomed by us and our sisters, because as we help those around us, we are helping ourselves.

Hugs,
Marie

I am a grammar geek.  There, I said it.  

So when I receive Escort XYZ's newsletter that is full of misspelled words and all sorts of grammatical errors, I notice.  I know it's not a super big deal but if it irritates me, I wonder how a gentleman/potential patron views something like this.  

I know, I know...I'm already anticipating what a few of you men are going to say...something like "who cares if she can spell?  I'm not paying her to write an article for the New Yorker."

BUT a newsletter with such typos lacks a professional image, which, I'm assuming, is important to an escort who takes the time to send out newsletters in the first place.

That said, is it inappropriate/offensive for me to email Escort XYZ to let her know about the grammatical errors in her newsletter?  Will Escort XYZ take offense or appreciate someone pointing out the mistakes?



It's not just you. Being able to use the language is a pet peeve for many. Yes folks, if you can't spell or use grammar properly, you look like an idiot. Just sayin'

Personal favorites?
To and too
Allowed and aloud
Piece and peace
and the best....the massive number of people who can't tell the difference between woman (singular) and women (plural).

All you can do is let her know. If she takes offense...it's her problem.

I can't spell, type, or use grammar properly. But than again I do admit to being an idiot so I guess it is OK for me to look like one. But did you notice there is what I think is error in your post. "Being able to use the language is a pet peeve for many." It reads like most people like it when you can't use the language, yet I think you meant the opposite. I do admit my English skills are lacking so maybe I am wrong, but if not the saying, "people in glass houses should not throw stones" applies. I guess if you take offense it is your problem.

Posted By: scoed
"Being able to use the language is a pet peeve for many." It reads like most people like it when you can't use the language, yet I think you meant the opposite.
Yes, I believe DirtyDaego's intended meaning was "Being *unable* to use the language is a pet peeve for many."  But I also understood his point, that small, syntactical infraction notwithstanding.  From my perspective, errors in grammar, sentence structure and the like aren't terribly important in the context of this pastime; elsewhere, yes.  I do notice them, but I get over it pretty quickly.  Some of my favorite people aren't especially learned or educated.  I've also found that grammatical literacy and true intelligence, insightfulness and character aren't always highly correlated.  One of my pet peeve's is when someone, not especially adept at expressing herself in the written word, reaches well beyond her abilities with the obvious intent of trying to sound eloquent.  Contrast that scenario of overreaching with the scenario we're talking about, which is just written expression to a degree of grammatical integrity that falls below a reader's personal expectations.  The "I'm writing to impress you but I'm not really capable" scenario always fails, and in a tragic way.  I'd rather hear it from the heart, with typos and grammatical errors, than from an artificially elevated position of pumped up yet broken prose.

Am I off topic yet?

-- Modified on 10/15/2010 11:18:58 AM

I forget that some use flat mode. I should use the quote button more.

Posted By: slipperyfun
Posted By: scoed
"Being able to use the language is a pet peeve for many." It reads like most people like it when you can't use the language, yet I think you meant the opposite.
Yes, I believe LynetteMarie's intended meaning was "Being *unable* to use the language is a pet peeve for many."  But I also understood her point, that small, syntactical infraction notwithstanding.  From my perspective, errors in grammar, sentence structure and the like aren't terribly important in the context of this pastime; elsewhere, yes.  I do notice them, but I get over it pretty quickly.  Some of my favorite people aren't especially learned or educated.  I've also found that grammatical literacy and true intelligence, insightfulness and character aren't always highly correlated.  One of my pet peeve's is when someone, not especially adept at expressing herself in the written word, reaches well beyond her abilities with the obvious intent of trying to sound eloquent.  Contrast that scenario of overreaching with the scenario we're talking about, which is just written expression to a degree of grammatical integrity that falls below a reader's personal expectations.  The "I'm writing to impress you but I'm not really capable" scenario always fails, and in a tragic way.  I'd rather hear it from the heart, with typos and grammatical errors, than from an artificially elevated position of pumped up yet broken prose.

Am I off topic yet?

Sorry, my error.  I thought the quote came in from LynetteMarie's original post, not DirtyDaego's.  I'll try a retroactive edit and see if I can fix that.  Thanks.

Posted By: scoed
I forget that some use flat mode. I should use the quote button more.
Posted By: slipperyfun
Posted By: scoed
"Being able to use the language is a pet peeve for many." It reads like most people like it when you can't use the language, yet I think you meant the opposite.
Yes, I believe LynetteMarie's intended meaning was "Being *unable* to use the language is a pet peeve for many."  But I also understood her point, that small, syntactical infraction notwithstanding.  From my perspective, errors in grammar, sentence structure and the like aren't terribly important in the context of this pastime; elsewhere, yes.  I do notice them, but I get over it pretty quickly.  Some of my favorite people aren't especially learned or educated.  I've also found that grammatical literacy and true intelligence, insightfulness and character aren't always highly correlated.  One of my pet peeve's is when someone, not especially adept at expressing herself in the written word, reaches well beyond her abilities with the obvious intent of trying to sound eloquent.  Contrast that scenario of overreaching with the scenario we're talking about, which is just written expression to a degree of grammatical integrity that falls below a reader's personal expectations.  The "I'm writing to impress you but I'm not really capable" scenario always fails, and in a tragic way.  I'd rather hear it from the heart, with typos and grammatical errors, than from an artificially elevated position of pumped up yet broken prose.

Am I off topic yet?

To take offense would mean that I'd have to give at least a minuscule fraction of a rat's ass flying fuck about anything you say.
Juuuuust can't seem to work that up. ;)

You slay me, my callus brother.

I know what you mean though, I don't even listen to me. Have a nice day. =)

Grammar.85 reads

It drives me nuts when Americans can't conjugate a verb correctly. Schools are in epic fail mode.

Being articulate and caring about the quality of what you put in print (along with the serious C cups) is a complete turn on for me.  I see ads come across the boards all the time with so many errors  that I would wear out a red pen grading them.   It seems like CL has dumped their waste onto the TER boards.  The upside is that it does help separate the quality providers we have here from the inarticulates.  Most of the men here are educated professionals and appreciate a woman who can carry a conversation, especially on longer dates such as dinner dates and overnights.

I won't even consider seeing a provider who I don't perceive to have a basic command of the English language.  So the short answer is yes, you should tactfully say something, as it could be impacting her business.

I grade escorts on grammar and spelling. I don't apply that grading on message boards or email, but I certainly apply it to websites, advertisements and newsletters. And why shouldn't I? The woman is a professional and running a check on grammar and spelling is a baseline competency for professional communications. It makes a difference in terms of my willingness to pay any rate above the prevailing average in my area because it colors my perception of the value equation.

I am sure that I am not the only hobbyist who pays attention to this. Maybe I'm a minority, but I'm certainly not alone.

But here is the Machiavellian twist.

You know there are hobbyists out there who pay attention to these things, and for whom it can make a difference -- especially in decisions regarding booking ladies whose rates are above average.

You know that hobbyists are seeing these newsletters with incorrect wording, muddled grammar and spelling errors.

These newsletters are put forth by your competitors.

Why do your competitors the service? Perhaps by letting it ride, you will get business that would otherwise go to them.

Sorry, I took my malevolence pills this morning. LOL

Radcow126 reads

Machiavelli would thought her to be a peasant, but evil? Not unless he was fucking doggy-style while telling her great her prose was. That's evil!

Radcow136 reads

Apathy can be as bad a murder in a world where few people give a shit about anything. Great looking out for her and I suspect even if you don't, she sees you as a friend. Tell her that most people can overlook a word or two, but when her syntax is whack they'll think of her on Tampax and that's not a good image. BTW, if does take offense, then everything people are thinking about her is true. Only the dumb and disturbed take offense to honest help.

I do care, though I'm not picky. I get crazed by the obvious stuff (to/too/two or there/their/they're).

That said, I don't think it's appropriate for me to comment, and I tend to vote with my wallet. IMO, it wouldn't be appropriate for you either, but I can't make that call for you. I will say that there is at least one exception to my opinion.

If it is a lady you know in some way (personally, or here on the boards) and it's about her professional image, and not your need to be able to read grammatically correct prose. If such is the case, I would contact her with a gentle question about professional appearances.

Not that I think you're going to red line her newsletter and send it back (bad bad bad), but I suggest checking in with her personally and asking her about it in general (maybe she just doesn't care - even if it affects her bottom line) terms.

We can't make people want to be smart, dress better, etc., and the importance of these things is somewhat subjective, but we can point out that there is something amiss.

How do you tell someone that... XYZ???

I was sitting on an airplane by the restrooms and a VERY attractive young lady in a screaming yellow skort (yes, skort and not skirt) came back to use the facilities. Upon exiting and heading back to her seat at the front of the plane, it became obvious that she had buttoned the waist of her skort, but not zipped (in the back). It was apparent as she had a matching screaming yellow thing stuck between her butt cheeks.

She has already gone by... it's a very public place... What to do... besides savor the view as long as possible???

...where I have to actually padlock my imagination...  It had to be screaming yellow, didn't it?

I don't mind the ocassional misspelled word or typo on an internet post, and don't think less of the authoro for his/her mistake, but on a newsletter? The standard is much higher for me when someone is "putting themself out there" for our approval.

I confess, I do think less of a lady who can't be bothered to use proper grammar and spelling in her ads, it gives me that certain "ghetto feeling" when a lady butchers the English language in her newsletters and/or website.

To your actual question. I don't think it is inappropriate to send a polite e-mail to Escort XYZ, but don't be surprised if she takes offense. Many people can't take criticism, polite or otherwise. People too lazy to use proper grammar in the first place are even more likely to not take criticism well.

Just remember, no good deed goes unpunished.

Priapus53149 reads

we all remember "TJ" from P&R-------LMAO !

I will give OP great credit for spelling "grammar" correctly------many around here spell it "grammer"--------no, folks, he starred in "Frasier" ------;)

Lastly, how come so many on this board can't spell "hobbyist" ?

that TER asks you to "re login again" when your session times out.

I wonder what would happen if liorr and TJ were ever to procreate? rofl

Priapus53180 reads

Be afraid-----be VERY afraid-------BRRRRRRRR----
---------:(

... but I'd love to spend a couple of hours with TJ.

That woman is passionate -- and that passion would undoubtedly translate into other arenas.

What you are not saying is that you are really looking for a job as her proof reader. $100 an issue?

ProfessorFollowme84 reads

Dew knot think rite spelling is reel a lot important.
just sew  every won can no what yew are talking bout.

Thank Ewe
2010 = 28

And I would hope someone would take the time to be polite about the way they presented the issue. So many of us get sooo busy, that at times that newsletter gets put off till the last minute, late at night, and some things get missed. Some of us are still figuring out this whole newsletter thing in the first place lol.

Good advice from a seasoned business women in any industry should always be welcomed by us and our sisters, because as we help those around us, we are helping ourselves.

Hugs,
Marie

...that the writer is unprofessional. The same applies to provider ads in my book. There's a difference between a casual back and forth where grammar or spelling errors are just typos, mistakes, or what have you. But if you're a professional, and it involves writing something, write professionally.

I think it's thoughtful and helpful to let people know they could be putting out a more professional image.

accepted as constructive criticism. You can look at these boards for good evidence of that - our various spelling and grammar critics are rarely greeted with "thanks for pointing that out."

       Typos are one thing but grammatical errors are more likely  to be due to the lady's educational level and writing experience. She may be unable  easily to correct those kind of errors.

     At the same time, rewriting the text for her may contribute to creating a false image of the lady as an erudite scholar, an image which will quickly be dispelled on meeting.

It's not an insult, but more like a testament to your level of education.  I have a bad habit of correcting punctuation and grammar when I see it being misused. I am borderline OCD. LOL!

However, I think if you tell this person it will most likely be taken as an insult and result in drama. Few people in this world are able to take criticism with a grain of salt.

but hey.. whats a hot woman with adhd to do? lol
I cant sit still for too long.. I guess thats why Im naturally energetic,bubbly,oh and smart too..
aint I a genius??.. wink..: 0
unfortunately..life got in my way of education.(sarcasm.. but true). I guess ive been too busy to return back..
sincerely and honestly
lovely lorena/lorena de leon
but im always happy to see all the smarter providers posts.. it does make me feel like a dumb ass..
for not utilizing all my oppurtunities....
education is very important.. i always tell any kids i meet ..stay in school.: )

Yes, you ARE bubbly, energetic, gorgeous and smart!! :)  Heck, I made four attempts at grad school, dropped out each time.  But I'm shooting for number five soon LOL.  Let's see if I make it through this time.

Never have regrets for what you did or didn't do in life...your choices molded you to be the beautiful, unique person you are.  

Thanks for the insight, everybody!  I greatly appreciate it.

Escort XYZ is a young local lady and student who worked for an agency before.  I helped her become an independent about a year ago, but since she's been gaining popularity and etc..we haven't been as close as we were before...hence, my hesitancy to alert her of her typos in her newsletter.

Per the advice of so many of you, I will email her and gently let her know about the grammatical errors.  I doubt she will take it hard as she's a bright young lady with a good head on her shoulders, just not so good with the writing skills.  I think she's a math genius though.  It figures--I did well in trig because shapes were involved.  Calc?  Ummmm...not so much.  We all have different skills, eh?

Posted By: LynetteMarie
I am a grammar geek.  There, I said it.  
I haven't even looked at your profile and I already think you're hot.
Posted By: LynetteMarie

That said, is it inappropriate/offensive for me to email Escort XYZ to let her know about the grammatical errors in her newsletter?  Will Escort XYZ take offense or appreciate someone pointing out the mistakes?
Yeah, no. I wouldn't bother. If you and she are already good friends and you've been discussing ways to improve her newsletter, then yeah, it would be appropriate for you to analyze it for her. But unsolicited criticism from acquaintances or strangers seldom goes over well, no matter how you try to soft-sell it.

But if you feel you must say something, you might instead open a dialog in which you first tell her how great and useful it is first. Gain her trust. Don't say anything critical at first, just praise the content or whatever strengths it has. Then if the dialog continues you can bring up some helpful suggestions later or volunteer to help her out. Yes, this route is much slower and more labor intensive for you, but being initially supportive rather than critical is your best shot at getting your ideas accepted.

It's up to you to decide whether or not another provider's newsletter is worth all that.

-- Modified on 10/15/2010 5:36:31 PM

Posted By: LynetteMarie
I am a grammar geek.  There, I said it.  

So when I receive Escort XYZ's newsletter that is full of misspelled words and all sorts of grammatical errors, I notice.  I know it's not a super big deal but if it irritates me, I wonder how a gentleman/potential patron views something like this.  

I know, I know...I'm already anticipating what a few of you men are going to say...something like "who cares if she can spell?  I'm not paying her to write an article for the New Yorker."

BUT a newsletter with such typos lacks a professional image, which, I'm assuming, is important to an escort who takes the time to send out newsletters in the first place.

That said, is it inappropriate/offensive for me to email Escort XYZ to let her know about the grammatical errors in her newsletter?  Will Escort XYZ take offense or appreciate someone pointing out the mistakes?
Lol! I've been described by my close friends as a "grammar nazi" due to my fanatical insistence upon proper grammar, although I usually keep my urge to correct others' grammatical foibles well hidden. I would DEFINITELY want to know about any grammatical or spelling errors in my newsletter/website/ads...although by the time you tell me, I've probably been agonizing over said error and worrying about how many people saw it, who saw it & why didn't I notice sooner, etc., etc. lol...

One error is likely just a typo, but if someone has a multitude of errors in the copy for her ad/website/posts it causes me to wonder why the poster didn't care about her image/professionalism to use spellcheck.

I realize some people would take offense to having errors pointed out to them, but really, IF (and only if!) it's done politely, discreetly, and in a nonjudgmental manner, I think having someone offer constructive criticism to better enable one to project a polished, professional image is a real boon. I, personally, would thank the other provider for caring enough to respond.

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