called One Summer by author Bill Bryson in which he details the enormity of prohibition and the consequential uptick in boozing among other horrors.
It is not the first time that I've heard this either. I don't thing that SESTA will have a discenable effect on sexual activity.I'm hoping they don't shut everything down
What do you guys think?
sadly TER jumped the gun when removing advertising. There are other forums for escorts to advertise on and the alternatives will only increase. Necessity is the mother of invention and this industry will not only not be thwarted it will continue to prosper.
So did one another starting with City!
TER shuts down regional ad board but continues with the photo board.
Does this make any sense?
I'm sure the ISO board will really make your head spin.
I can see the photo only board, as it really is just photos only.
After it was passed, I doubt if people stopped drinking alcohol.
How did Al Capone become rich and more powerful than the mayor?
Absurd laws lke this only makes criminals out of low hanging fruits.
The syndicated well organized human traffickers are laughing their asses off.
The internet will create its own version of Speakeasies. Maybe inside the Dark Web
My Tor is waiting
but alcohol consumption soared during prohibition.
The Feds tried to allay that by poisoning the alcohol. Many a person died and went blind on account of that.
History likes to repeat itself.
Not true. The Federal government did not manufacture alcohol and certainly didn't add poisons to alcohol. While the Federal government has long required, way before prohibition, was that industrial alcohol be denatured so it wasn't diverted to the consumer market. A widely used denaturant is methanol, which does cause blindness and can be fatal. My understanding is that suppliers of alcoholic beverages would purchase industrial alcohol and try to "renature" the alcohol to get rid of the denaturants. They either introduced other toxins in this process or didn't remove enough of the denaturant. So, the story is a bit more complicated but in the age of Trump I can understand almost everything gets simplified and distorted.
Regarding SESTA, here is my take:
The vote in Congress was 97-2 in favor
Jeff Sessions is the Attorney General
Going after hookers is always a political plus
Sessions is going send out a memo telling U.S. attorneys to aggressive enforce the law
The criminal and civil penalties in the law are severe
No one (websites and ancillary personnel) wants to be charged under this law and face the huge legal costs
Trump is rapidly appointing conservative judges to the federal bench
The Supreme Court is one retirement away from being the most conservative in 100 years.
Therefore, SITES WILL SHUT DOWN. VERY FEW WILL BE LEFT
The Justice Department warned Congress that one portion of the law is clearly unconstitutional, that being the retroactive reach of the law. The AG might advise prosecutors not to try cases in that category, because
Not so sure about your analysis that conservative judges will be more likely to support the law than liberal judges would be. It’s the more moderate judges who would likely defer to “the wishes of Congress” then would be the libs and conservatives who would quickly get to “does this infringe on 1st & 4th amendments” points.
In any event, it’s going to have a chilling effect for years, because that’s how long it will take for just one case on one aspect of this law to reach the Supreme Court. And the law is so broad, there will be many cases on many aspects. Bottom line, this law will be litigated for decades. Market response to the law (i.e. alternatives to TER ad boards) will be done via adaptation and resourcefulness, not by judges.
No law is going to change that.
Pain is inevitable. Suffering is not.
Almost certainly worse than our current opiod epidemic. It was totally out of control. And prohibition did reduce drinking and with it the numerous concommitant social pathologies: wife beating, incest, violent crime, poverty...
Unfortunately, it gave us organized crime. That was the reason for repeal as much as the repressed desire to drink.
Of course, the repeal didn't reduce organized crime at all. That genie was out of the bottle. And he social pathologies came back too with drunk driving to boot.
I am a moderate drinker btw.
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called One Summer by author Bill Bryson in which he details the enormity of prohibition and the consequential uptick in boozing among other horrors.
It is not the first time that I've heard this either.
I don't thing that SESTA will have a discenable effect on sexual activity.
https://prohibition.osu.edu/why-prohibition
"The best evidence available to historians shows that consumption of beverage alcohol declined dramatically under prohibition. In the early 1920s, consumption of beverage alcohol was about thirty per cent of the pre-prohibition level. Consumption grew somewhat in the last years of prohibition, as illegal supplies of liquor increased and as a new generation of Americans disregarded the law and rejected the attitude of self-sacrifice that was part of the bedrock of the prohibition movement. Nevertheless, it was a long time after repeal before consumption rates rose to their pre-prohibition levels. In that sense, prohibition "worked.""
https://prohibition.osu.edu/brewing/consumption
https://prohibition.osu.edu/brewing/production-malt-beverages-us
https://prohibition.constitutioncenter.org/exhibition.html
SECTION 1: AMERICA HAD A DRINKING PROBLEM
American colonists brought their thirst for alcohol with them to the New World. The ship Arbella, which arrived in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630, had more than 10,000 gallons of wine in its hold for 700 settlers. It also carried three times as much beer as water.
By 1830, the nation reached rock bottom. On average, Americans over the age of 15 were guzzling seven gallons of pure alcohol each year. This was the equivalent of 90 bottles of 80-proof liquor – or about four shots every day. Three times greater than current levels, it remains the highest measured volume of consumption in U.S. history. The consequences of this national binge would be severe.
Upon entering American Spirits: The Rise and Fall of Prohibition, visitors can view a video, set on January 16, 1920, just as Prohibition was about to go into effect. Guests also will see a volume display of glass bottles that demonstrate the drastic difference in the amount an average American adult currently drinks each year versus consumption in 1830.
Alcohol Was Everywhere to a Devastating Effect
By the early 1800s, the country was swimming – and nearly drowning – in liquor. A barrel of hard cider sat by the door of thousands of farmhouses, available to everyone in the family. In many cities, the tolling of a bell at 11 a.m. and again at 4 p.m. marked “grog time,” when workers were granted an alcohol-soaked break. And the wealthy might drink their evenings away in hotel dining rooms or at lavish dinner parties.
In rural areas, whiskey and hard cider were the drinks of choice. Farmers used the grain they grew to make rye or corn whiskey. They also used apples from trees like those that John Chapman – “Johnny Appleseed” – had planted throughout the Ohio Valley. Some of these apples were specifically meant to be fermented into hard cider; a ceramic jug from 1895, like those used to carry hard cider, is on display. Frequently, distilled liquor was added to cider to keep it from spoiling, making it stronger than beer with an alcoholic content of at least 10 percent.
Linked below is the best of several sites I have found that give a balanced view of whether or not Prohibition contributed to an increase or decrease in alcohol consumption and other related ills.
Suffice it to say, the country was convinced to do a complete 180 on the issue in just over a decade, so something had to be amiss.
No. There is absolute academic consensus as to the facts that:
1) due to the temperance movement and state laws alcohol consumption was decreasing in America prior to Prohibition
2) consumption declined still more in the initial years of Prohibition
3) consumption began to increase towards the end but did not reach pre Prohibition levels for decades after.
https://prohibition.osu.edu/brewing/consumption
The above link also shows that we had a massive drinking problem pre prohibition and we also have one now.
I know this subject fairly well and I will say that your cited site is unimpressive and sophistical. I am not surprised it is supported by drug legalization groups and has advertisements for drug sale paraphenalia.
If you'd like, I can do a point by point refutation of their arguments. For here, let me just say that there was no citation to modern research for a reason.
One need not engage in propaganda as to drinking under Prohibition to argue against the specific tactics of the US during Prohibition. Admitting Prohibition and the Temperance Movement reduced drinking does not require one to favor a ban on "drugs" or "alcohol".
People will have referrals to each other. There will be a lot of private websites set up and possibly private smart phone apps. Then there are all the providers that you have seen before that contact you up for repeat appointments, some times 2 a week lol.
I love using my twitter and a lot of clients who find me on TER like to check more unedited selfies of me on there @KikiLoverVIP
so let's pray they don't go after that too.
Twitter has shadowbanned a quite few providers in past weeks.
This law is only going to be enforced when they actually want to go after somebody. I doubt that government will actually form a department that tracks providers and clients. But, if they do decide to go after somebody this law will give them another reason to go balls deep after somebody.
Where folks can post ads for free without verification (credit card). I said this once and I will say it again. The adult dating website lobbyists are behind the legislation that came down with these laws. Many of the pay sites have had provider paying ads for years, know they can rake in more dollars. Remember everything done in DC with laws is about the money and not morals.
Politicians only care about two things
Money
Getting re elected
With so many politicians being lawyers this new nonsense Is going to rake in a windfall for lawyers. Just maybe this bogus bill is meant as a $ maker.
I've watched the U.S. Senate's floor proceedings on the Senate's website (not C-Span) and watched the film "I am Jane Doe". The main target of this legislation is the site abbreviated "BP", which may be an accomplice in trafficking underage girls. Senator Rob Portman named this site in his speeches on the Senate floor. As far as I know, he did not name any other site.
So long as advertising sites can verify the age of the persons being posted, there shouldn't be an issue. The reason for amending Section 230 of the CDA was to take away the argument that BP was merely a platform for advertisers and that it did not aid and abet underage traffickers by telling them not to use certain words (e.g. Lolita) in those ads.
I myself do not see women that may be working as providers against their will (e.g. Asian spa girls, Russian/Ukrainian escorts, etc.) Better to stick with women with their own websites, women of mature years or anyone who have been reviewed on this platform.
It doesn't really matter what a law was intended to target, eventually it will be used as broadly as possible.
It really doesn't matter what the law's advertising hype was or is, the law as written is extremely broad. It will take no time at all for this fact to be used by many many ambitious prosecutors and DAs seeking electoral advancement or other forms of bully power.
Moreover, there is no way that websites will invest the huge resources needed to adequately and thoroughly verify everyone who wants to place an ad.
Initially I see increased use of mailing lists and password protected private webpages. Publicly available ad pages will vanish.
New ideas will be developed and fortunes will be made by creative entrepeneurs. Just wait and see!
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repealstop-fosta-now
This image is what I got when I went to Backpage just now.