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You posted something like this on our PO board.  

Everyone has an off day. Shake it off. I'm not saying it was you, please keep in mind, men are in a position to change their minds. At least you were given something. Other women would of been dolled up for nothing.

Try to keep positive. Chalk it up, take a hot bath and pour yourself something to drink.

You know you are not and that is what matters.Forget what those two guys said to you of course a natural reaction would be to be upset by their comments.Not every woman who is chinese is going to be a small body size and petite.
Women of all races comes in different heights and weight.
Hold your head high and keep providing a great service to your clients.
There is always going to be some people who are not satisfied.

Thank you so much Dear  

You are right  

There are always will be asses.

I treat my massage business as a real business. I got good money and good complimtnt from my clients.  I  just wish there is someway I can keep those asses away.but since I'm dealing with the public. Is hard to do that  

imanalias107 reads

Letting it go. Now you can move on and only hope others will be more kind and understanding. But when something like this happens again, and it probably will, don’t allow them the privilege of making you upset or angry. I know that’s not easy. But they are not your friends or family and should never own any part of you that caused pain and anger. They have to pay extra for that.

In the future when asked tell them you can get naked to show but maybe you are not comfortable or don’t want the massage and services others enjoy and they are free to cancel providing a cancellation fee for your time. Sad people are this way sometimes. They are shallow people. So feel sorry for them, not yourself.

If it upsets you so much talk to a friend so you can get it out of your system. Post here. But please get it out of your system and go on being the good masseuse and mother you are.

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Yes.I let it go. I was so upset calling and texting & calling those 2 people to show how much I hurt but I know is not worth it. Is just my OCD not easily letting things go  

I hope I don't run into those people again but  I certainly i will.

I found the second paragraph little hard to understand.maybe there some error?  

 
In the future when asked tell them you can get naked to show but maybe you are not comfortable or don’t want the massage and services others enjoy and they are free to cancel providing a cancellation fee for your time. Sad people are this way sometimes. They are shallow people. So feel sorry for them, not yourself.

I can see from your pics that you are not a tiny woman. Kudos to you for accurately representing yourself.  If it were me and they asked me if I was transgender.... I'm afraid I would have said "why? Would you like me to fuck your virgin asshole? That'll be 5k" 😂 and then see their reaction then lol
I'm so sorry you had to go through that love. Don't let these 2 idiots even be a thought in your mind at all. I know that is easier said than done but they aren't worth it.  Dealing with that and being so far away from your daughter? Ahhhh.... my heart breaks for you 😢Just remember,  where there is 2 assholes, there are 100 wonderful GENTLEMEN out there.  
Love
TL

Hey TL .  

You are right I'm not a small Chinese woman  

I mention it in my ad as well as my website. I even Highline it.Can you take a look at my website see if I represent myself accurately?  

but you are right , most clients are happy with me assholes just while a while

You posted something like this on our PO board.  

Everyone has an off day. Shake it off. I'm not saying it was you, please keep in mind, men are in a position to change their minds. At least you were given something. Other women would of been dolled up for nothing.

Try to keep positive. Chalk it up, take a hot bath and pour yourself something to drink.

Do I post on PO board?  I'm not aware of that  

Yes, I got some small fees for my time.but not always as some time can get nothing  

Is easy to say but hard not to take it personally .but at lease I calm down now just wondering how to deal with the situation is the best

imanalias79 reads

You post it on the providers only board. You have to be approved by TER by requesting access. Here is a link to get you started.

Now going to see where you are, I really need a REAL massage....

Posted By: imanalias
Re: I think she was saying
You post it on the providers only board. You have to be approved by TER by requesting access. Here is a link to get you started.  
   
 Now going to see where you are, I really need a REAL massage....
I request it .but the admin decline my across a few days ago, They want see more post from me before let me in

imanalias79 reads

Ask again after tonight. I think they should let you in seeing tonight’s post and having a history of reviews.

Just don’t out those you had problems with if they came from here. But once on the PO board if you have problems tell what went wrong but no personal detail and say send PM. After that it’s probably best handled by email.

souls_harbor85 reads

Can any of us really say we find all women (or all men) equally attractive?  I've been married a few times to jealous women who thought someone else was always out to snatch me away.  I've also often been bluntly rejected by other women as too ugly to consider.  On the flip side I have my own ideas of female beauty or ugliness.

There are certain physical attributes that connotate masculinity or femininity -- simple height being one of them.  Others are muscularity and sharper facial lines (females tend to have softer rounder facial features, men have jutting jaws, etc.)

Who knows what precisely triggered these two?  Clearly not all your clients react the same way.  Just attribute it to differences in taste.  Not everyone is going to like your looks or my looks or anyone else's looks.  That's just life.  

I totally agree with you Not everyone is going to be everyone's cup of tea  

While I put effort to write down my ad and my web. Guys should have paid attention,

If they read. They won't get the wrong image that I'm a little tiny Asian woman

there are ways of navigate those situtations politely and with consideration for the feelings of others.

 
The two clients she mentioned come off as callous, tactless buffoons

souls_harbor76 reads

Unfortunately the nature of the biz attracts a disproportionate percentage of the socially inept.   The best thing to do is be emotionally prepared for such.

And I should know because I AM one the socially inept.

 
I generally have no problem interacting with people on a personal or professional level; it’s my initial approach with civvie ladies that I’m attracted to that sinks me.  I just feel clumsy and inept at it, thus my discomfort makes /them/ uncomfortable.  I’m drawn to Providers because they allow me to skip that unpleasant step and just be myself.

 
So, maybe my reaction was a little harsh... though not /to/ harsh; those dummies did hurt the OP’s feelings and make her cry, which will ALWAYS make me narrow my eyes in wrathful judgement and condemnation.  If looks could kill, the clients in question (at least as I imagined them) would have been incinerated on the spot.

 
But alas, Internet Rage is by far the easiest rage - gone out as quickly as it flares.  ;-)

 
Edited for clarity of thought. 🧐

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I am so sorry that your feelings were hurt by these two miserable cretins.  I’m also sorry that you seem to encounter other morons who don’t seem to know or care how to treat a lady (or people general probably).

 
Honestly, their rotten actions and words are reflections of /them/, not you.

 
-sigh-  Edited for grammar 🧐

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That sounds brilliance.I need to practice my let go skill

Posted By: TheBoogerMan
Re: Brutes and Fiends  
I am so sorry that your feelings were hurt by these two miserable cretins.  I’m also sorry that you seem to encounter other morons who don’t seem to know or care how to treat a lady (or people general probably).  
   
   
 Honestly, their rotten actions and words are reflections of /them/, not you.  
   
   
 -sigh-  Edited for grammar 🧐

-- Modified on 2/6/2018 8:28:01 PM

imanalias92 reads

Sometimes you just need to kick ass LoL.

Do you get PMs here? If not, you need to ask TER for that also.

Sent you PM

I'm thinking of post an secured question like  

"What is my favorite color? "

"Blue "

at the end of my self-descriptions To my website.  

Whoever calling to make an appointment I will ask the secured question.

 If they know the question answer that is mean they do pay attention to my website and already know I'm not those tiny small Asian woman so they won't have the wrong image of me.

Anyone would think is a good idea?

imanalias69 reads

But I don’t see pics of you other than P411. And while it’s not important for me since my expectations are to get an awesome massage, you may need to get more flattering pictures sorry.

What is the problem with the picture at P411?  All of my pictures are face blurred

From what I read, both men felt uncomfortable. The first asked if you were transgender and the second clearly displayed discomfort as well. Being uncomfortable and speaking up about that does not make someone a jerk. Many providers on these boards ask men repeatedly why they finish appointments with women they were unhappy with and go on to write bad reviews? It’s mean, or horrible to speak up and leave an uncomfortable situation? I would rather know up front if there is going to be a problem personally. I don’t want to be with women who feel they have to grin and bare being with me. When that happens to a guy, it’s called YMMV.  

I can understand how you feel, I have been rejected by many women in my life. I was once laughed at by a carload of women at a stoplight who made remarks about how skinny I was and that I had no muscles. That doesn’t feel good at all.  

There is nothing you can do about the fact you don’t meet the mainstream societal standards for beauty. I certainly wasn’t women’s idea of attractive or boyfriend material, so I’ve felt what your describing many many times. Nothing I’ve ever done has made me attractive to the majority of women, so I just accepted that and focused on all the positive things in my life and the great people who are my friends. As you pointed out, you are marketing yourself honestly and are doing well most of the time.  

Feeling anger toward people who don’t accept you will only affect your own happiness. Them speaking up allowed you to move on to customers who are happy with you and your service.  

and I have never said anything so harsh, not even from behind the safety of my keyboard. I can't imagine saying something like that to a woman to her face. I will freely admit that I have turned around and walked without leaving a cent when I thought I was being deceived and the woman answering the door was 40 pounds heavier or 20 years older than the hottie in her pics, but even then I have NEVER stooped to calling her ugly or suggesting she was trans.  

 
Asking a woman is she is "really a man" is rude, mean, and deserves a punch in the face. I don't blame her for being pissed.

 
Now that said, people like that are not worth ruining your entire day over, but unlike many of the rants on this board, I don't fault her at all for wanting to get this off her chest and venting just a little. Hopefully some good guys will come through her door today and make her forget all about the jerks.

No doubt the guy is an idiot for ignoring the ad, but if you believe taking one look at someone, turning around and walking out somehow makes that individual feel any better than asking to clarify if they are transgender is selective empathy. Being directly rejected based upon the way you look doesn’t feel good no matter how fancy of a platter you put it on. The OP is hurt because she tried to avoid that very situation in the first place by represnting herself accurately and the guy ignored all that and booked the appointment, just to reject her upon seeing her. I agree with the OP that simply saying she played volleyball doesn’t directly translate into how tall someone is (athletic sure), but she was as open as she could have been.  

If you did the same thing and ignored her ad and walked out without saying a word after taking one look at her, that is still stopping low and an asshole move. The bottom line her is not to get all caught up on what we think is the best way to flat out reject someone (which is often to make the rejector feel better) but to recognize the real issue, which is to make sure you are reading the ladies websites and their ads so you know what your getting into. This is a common problem. How many times do we see posts where providers get bad reviews because the guy was unhappy with her weight when her ad says she’s curvy and clearly states she’s 5’5 and 135 pounds? I’d like to think taking a moment to read the ads for new girls is something we can all agree on.  

 

 

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: I disagree, I am one of the biggest assholes on all of TER
and I have never said anything so harsh, not even from behind the safety of my keyboard. I can't imagine saying something like that to a woman to her face. I will freely admit that I have turned around and walked without leaving a cent when I thought I was being deceived and the woman answering the door was 40 pounds heavier or 20 years older than the hottie in her pics, but even then I have NEVER stooped to calling her ugly or suggesting she was trans.  
   
   
 Asking a woman is she is "really a man" is rude, mean, and deserves a punch in the face. I don't blame her for being pissed.  
   
   
 Now that said, people like that are not worth ruining your entire day over, but unlike many of the rants on this board, I don't fault her at all for wanting to get this off her chest and venting just a little. Hopefully some good guys will come through her door today and make her forget all about the jerks.

I said I would leave "without leaving a cent" NOT "without saying a word" Please at least TRY to read what I actually have to say before using straw man arguments.

 
I also said "40 pounds heavier or 20 years older than the hottie in her pics" which means the woman was INTENTIONALLY attempting to deceive her would be clients. Somehow that got morphed into "guys not reading the ads"  

 
I don't mind having a conversation on this subject, but I am not going to have to restate every single thing I say to correct your incorrect interpretation of plain English. Just because you had sand kicked in your face as a kid doesn't excuse you misquoting everything I say.

I said I would leave "without leaving a cent" NOT "without saying a word" Please at least TRY to read what I actually have to say before using straw man arguments.
I apologize for misreading that sentence. Admittedly that happens sometimes when I'm reading a lot of posts/paragraphs in a long thread on my phone. However, I was being sarcastic about the fact that you did exactly what all the other guys did in your hypothetical scenario, which was reject, walk out, not pay, etc. You just added a third way to be in an uncomfortable situation once there. I believe the point the OP brought up was men ignoring the ad she posted and putting themselves in a position they feel they have to get out of in the first place; when it could have been avoided.
I don't mind having a conversation on this subject, but I am not going to have to restate every single thing I say to correct your incorrect interpretation of plain English
HaHaHa Always sharp as a pin and on the ball! Your witty commentary would make for a great coffee table book!
Just because you had sand kicked in your face as a kid doesn't excuse you misquoting everything I say.
Whoa! Slow down speedy! I've been on this forum for years and maybe spoken to you through text directly maybe 3 times?  Mosquitoing 'everything' you say is a little melodramatic over missing the point of a single sentence in one of your your posts. LOL. I bring up my experiences if I feel they are relevant to a discussion. I'm not ashamed of how I came up, so I would never expect to be excused for anything I say. I back it up, but If I said something wrong, point it out and I'll acknowledge it.

Well said.Allstart  

If a guy can read providers carefully what the provider has to say they won't make a lot of mistakes and complained disappointed   by the provider and can save both sites of time and emotional pain

Posted By: Allstar
Re: I disagree, I am one of the biggest assholes on all of TER
No doubt the guy is an idiot for ignoring the ad, but if you believe taking one look at someone, turning around and walking out somehow makes that individual feel any better than asking to clarify if they are transgender is selective empathy. Being directly rejected based upon the way you look doesn’t feel good no matter how fancy of a platter you put it on. The OP is hurt because she tried to avoid that very situation in the first place by represnting herself accurately and the guy ignored all that and booked the appointment, just to reject her upon seeing her. I agree with the OP that simply saying she played volleyball doesn’t directly translate into how tall someone is (athletic sure), but she was as open as she could have been.  
   
 If you did the same thing and ignored her ad and walked out without saying a word after taking one look at her, that is still stopping low and an asshole move. The bottom line her is not to get all caught up on what we think is the best way to flat out reject someone (which is often to make the rejector feel better) but to recognize the real issue, which is to make sure you are reading the ladies websites and their ads so you know what your getting into. This is a common problem. How many times do we see posts where providers get bad reviews because the guy was unhappy with her weight when her ad says she’s curvy and clearly states she’s 5’5 and 135 pounds? I’d like to think taking a moment to read the ads for new girls is something we can all agree on.    
   
   
   
 
Posted By: GaGambler
Re: I disagree, I am one of the biggest assholes on all of TER  
 and I have never said anything so harsh, not even from behind the safety of my keyboard. I can't imagine saying something like that to a woman to her face. I will freely admit that I have turned around and walked without leaving a cent when I thought I was being deceived and the woman answering the door was 40 pounds heavier or 20 years older than the hottie in her pics, but even then I have NEVER stooped to calling her ugly or suggesting she was trans.    
     
     
  Asking a woman is she is "really a man" is rude, mean, and deserves a punch in the face. I don't blame her for being pissed.  
     
     
  Now that said, people like that are not worth ruining your entire day over, but unlike many of the rants on this board, I don't fault her at all for wanting to get this off her chest and venting just a little. Hopefully some good guys will come through her door today and make her forget all about the jerks.

Gaga you just made my days  

Yesterday after two asses I had two clients enjoyed me and my service

Today I just had 2 happy clients again  

What not work for the 5% working for the rest of 95 %  

I do not blame anyone who does not attract me, I repeatedly said I'm not going to be everyone's cup of tea.But can a guy paid a attention to what I said in my ad and web. If they do read, They won't come to me with the wrong mental image!  

I do not like dealing with those people, I deserve to be treated with respect. The next time anyone came up with those question again I will tell them " I'm a woman, but you are not someone that I want to spend time with.Please leave!"

Posted By: GaGambler
deserves a punch in the face.  
   
 .
A kick in the nuts would be more fitting 😡

GaGambler125 reads

How about a kick in the nuts followed by a punch in the face?

Touché 🤣

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: and just why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? lol
How about a kick in the nuts followed by a punch in the face?

Dicksfureel102 reads

My interpretation of the OP was that the guys weren’t asking to be jerks. I assumed they were dumbasses who didn’t read the ad, and were asking to clarify/verify.  

I realize it doesn’t excuse them from being a dumbass.

If anyone asked this knowing that she was a woman, of course they are horrible scummy people. I just can’t imagine someone being that scummy, I suppose.

trouble of writing something similar.  You said it well.  Except I would not have included the part about me not being "women's idea of  attractive or boyfriend material."  Instead, I would have said,  "I know a guy named Allstar . . ."  
Lol

imanalias72 reads

True, I think she realizes it now. Ok here let me show you my pussy, do you want a massage or not???

I’ve walked out on a few meetings where it was a bait and switch or photos not current enough to show the extra she put on.

I even closed the door on one that was bait and switch but still fucking hot. That one I gave a tip so she could get a taxi. The others it was cold.

But what’s fucked up here is there are no pics on her website. Only decent review comments and a few pics on P411.

If you’re reading the reviews about a massage provider without pics, shut up get the massage and write a review. To suggest or say someone looks like a TG, is fucked up, just walk away.

But in fairness, unless those guys say something it’s a one sided understanding of reality.

As I said I'm not upset I'm not some type of guy's cup of tea.No, Not at all  

I honestly marking myself as a tall masseuse.Especially  Highline that  I used to be a volleyball player, which might be the problems is some guys don't pay attention to read, as long as they see a Chinese Masseuse they think of a little 4'11 Chinese lady in their mind

God knows if those guys read. If they do, They won't have come up with the wrong idea of who I'm.

Is not the guy's fault if they don't like the way I look. I got it. But if they can read more carefully about my ad and my website. The guys can decide If I'm the cup of tea or not, can save both of us time.

Agree that speaking up about feeling discomfort and ending the session is the right thing to do. I’ve done it myself and had it done to me. Yep, it stings for a few mins but it passes much more quickly than the memory of some imbecile asking if you are transgender.  What is not right is asking someone if they are transgender. What’s the point? If they say ‘yes’ the guy leaves. If they say ‘no’ the guy (if he has brains) will still leave (because he is not feeling it) but he also hurts someone in the process. Sorry but there are zero reasons or excuses for what they did. None

Posted By: Allstar
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?
From what I read, both men felt uncomfortable. The first asked if you were transgender and the second clearly displayed discomfort as well. Being uncomfortable and speaking up about that does not make someone a jerk. Many providers on these boards ask men repeatedly why they finish appointments with women they were unhappy with and go on to write bad reviews? It’s mean, or horrible to speak up and leave an uncomfortable situation? I would rather know up front if there is going to be a problem personally. I don’t want to be with women who feel they have to grin and bare being with me. When that happens to a guy, it’s called YMMV.  
   
 I can understand how you feel, I have been rejected by many women in my life. I was once laughed at by a carload of women at a stoplight who made remarks about how skinny I was and that I had no muscles. That doesn’t feel good at all.  
   
 There is nothing you can do about the fact you don’t meet the mainstream societal standards for beauty. I certainly wasn’t women’s idea of attractive or boyfriend material, so I’ve felt what your describing many many times. Nothing I’ve ever done has made me attractive to the majority of women, so I just accepted that and focused on all the positive things in my life and the great people who are my friends. As you pointed out, you are marketing yourself honestly and are doing well most of the time.  
   
 Feeling anger toward people who don’t accept you will only affect your own happiness. Them speaking up allowed you to move on to customers who are happy with you and your service.  

Yes, Dear, there is.

If they do read my post and my website carefully. They will know I'm a tall and big woman

If that is not what they are looking for. They should not come to me in the first place!  

If you think a guy can be a jerk to a woman is perfectly reasonable. Fine!  Is your personal opinions  

The next time a guy ask me the same question I will answer  "I'm a woman, but are you an asshole? "  Because I have the right speak up about my discomfort too!

Posted By: CamilleUK
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?
Agree that speaking up about feeling discomfort and ending the session is the right thing to do. I’ve done it myself and had it done to me. Yep, it stings for a few mins but it passes much more quickly than the memory of some imbecile asking if you are transgender.  What is not right is asking someone if they are transgender. What’s the point? If they say ‘yes’ the guy leaves. If they say ‘no’ the guy (if he has brains) will still leave (because he is not feeling it) but he also hurts someone in the process. Sorry but there are zero reasons or excuses for what they did. None
Posted By: Allstar
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?  
 From what I read, both men felt uncomfortable. The first asked if you were transgender and the second clearly displayed discomfort as well. Being uncomfortable and speaking up about that does not make someone a jerk. Many providers on these boards ask men repeatedly why they finish appointments with women they were unhappy with and go on to write bad reviews? It’s mean, or horrible to speak up and leave an uncomfortable situation? I would rather know up front if there is going to be a problem personally. I don’t want to be with women who feel they have to grin and bare being with me. When that happens to a guy, it’s called YMMV.    
     
  I can understand how you feel, I have been rejected by many women in my life. I was once laughed at by a carload of women at a stoplight who made remarks about how skinny I was and that I had no muscles. That doesn’t feel good at all.    
     
  There is nothing you can do about the fact you don’t meet the mainstream societal standards for beauty. I certainly wasn’t women’s idea of attractive or boyfriend material, so I’ve felt what your describing many many times. Nothing I’ve ever done has made me attractive to the majority of women, so I just accepted that and focused on all the positive things in my life and the great people who are my friends. As you pointed out, you are marketing yourself honestly and are doing well most of the time.    
     
  Feeling anger toward people who don’t accept you will only affect your own happiness. Them speaking up allowed you to move on to customers who are happy with you and your service.  

Sorry, I think you’ve misunderstood me (or I’m misunderstanding your reply)
I never said it was ok for them to say what they did - I said the exact opposite. Sorry you didn’t understand that

Posted By: MckenzieGold
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?
Yes, Dear, there is.  
   
 If they do read my post and my website carefully. They will know I'm a tall and big woman  
   
 If that is not what they are looking for. They should not come to me in the first place!  
   
 If you think a guy can be a jerk to a woman is perfectly reasonable. Fine!  Is your personal opinions  
   
 The next time a guy ask me the same question I will answer  "I'm a woman, but are you an asshole? "  Because I have the right speak up about my discomfort too!
Posted By: CamilleUK
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?  
 Agree that speaking up about feeling discomfort and ending the session is the right thing to do. I’ve done it myself and had it done to me. Yep, it stings for a few mins but it passes much more quickly than the memory of some imbecile asking if you are transgender.  What is not right is asking someone if they are transgender. What’s the point? If they say ‘yes’ the guy leaves. If they say ‘no’ the guy (if he has brains) will still leave (because he is not feeling it) but he also hurts someone in the process. Sorry but there are zero reasons or excuses for what they did. None
Posted By: Allstar
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?  
  From what I read, both men felt uncomfortable. The first asked if you were transgender and the second clearly displayed discomfort as well. Being uncomfortable and speaking up about that does not make someone a jerk. Many providers on these boards ask men repeatedly why they finish appointments with women they were unhappy with and go on to write bad reviews? It’s mean, or horrible to speak up and leave an uncomfortable situation? I would rather know up front if there is going to be a problem personally. I don’t want to be with women who feel they have to grin and bare being with me. When that happens to a guy, it’s called YMMV.    
       
   I can understand how you feel, I have been rejected by many women in my life. I was once laughed at by a carload of women at a stoplight who made remarks about how skinny I was and that I had no muscles. That doesn’t feel good at all.    
       
   There is nothing you can do about the fact you don’t meet the mainstream societal standards for beauty. I certainly wasn’t women’s idea of attractive or boyfriend material, so I’ve felt what your describing many many times. Nothing I’ve ever done has made me attractive to the majority of women, so I just accepted that and focused on all the positive things in my life and the great people who are my friends. As you pointed out, you are marketing yourself honestly and are doing well most of the time.    
       
   Feeling anger toward people who don’t accept you will only affect your own happiness. Them speaking up allowed you to move on to customers who are happy with you and your service.  

I'm sorry, My "Chinglish" is getting wore  

I thought you saying those guys are doing the right thing ,I apologizted to you

Posted By: CamilleUK
Re: ??????
Sorry, I think you’ve misunderstood me (or I’m misunderstanding your reply)  
 I never said it was ok for them to say what they did - I said the exact opposite. Sorry you didn’t understand that
Posted By: MckenzieGold
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?  
 Yes, Dear, there is.  
     
  If they do read my post and my website carefully. They will know I'm a tall and big woman  
     
  If that is not what they are looking for. They should not come to me in the first place!    
     
  If you think a guy can be a jerk to a woman is perfectly reasonable. Fine!  Is your personal opinions    
     
  The next time a guy ask me the same question I will answer  "I'm a woman, but are you an asshole? "  Because I have the right speak up about my discomfort too!
Posted By: CamilleUK
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?  
  Agree that speaking up about feeling discomfort and ending the session is the right thing to do. I’ve done it myself and had it done to me. Yep, it stings for a few mins but it passes much more quickly than the memory of some imbecile asking if you are transgender.  What is not right is asking someone if they are transgender. What’s the point? If they say ‘yes’ the guy leaves. If they say ‘no’ the guy (if he has brains) will still leave (because he is not feeling it) but he also hurts someone in the process. Sorry but there are zero reasons or excuses for what they did. None
Posted By: Allstar
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?    
   From what I read, both men felt uncomfortable. The first asked if you were transgender and the second clearly displayed discomfort as well. Being uncomfortable and speaking up about that does not make someone a jerk. Many providers on these boards ask men repeatedly why they finish appointments with women they were unhappy with and go on to write bad reviews? It’s mean, or horrible to speak up and leave an uncomfortable situation? I would rather know up front if there is going to be a problem personally. I don’t want to be with women who feel they have to grin and bare being with me. When that happens to a guy, it’s called YMMV.      
         
    I can understand how you feel, I have been rejected by many women in my life. I was once laughed at by a carload of women at a stoplight who made remarks about how skinny I was and that I had no muscles. That doesn’t feel good at all.      
         
    There is nothing you can do about the fact you don’t meet the mainstream societal standards for beauty. I certainly wasn’t women’s idea of attractive or boyfriend material, so I’ve felt what your describing many many times. Nothing I’ve ever done has made me attractive to the majority of women, so I just accepted that and focused on all the positive things in my life and the great people who are my friends. As you pointed out, you are marketing yourself honestly and are doing well most of the time.      
         
    Feeling anger toward people who don’t accept you will only affect your own happiness. Them speaking up allowed you to move on to customers who are happy with you and your service.  

Oh hell no. Never

Hugs xxx

Posted By: MckenzieGold
Re: ??????
I'm sorry, My "Chinglish" is getting wore  
   
 I thought you saying those guys are doing the right thing ,I apologizted to you
Posted By: CamilleUK
Re: ??????  
 Sorry, I think you’ve misunderstood me (or I’m misunderstanding your reply)  
  I never said it was ok for them to say what they did - I said the exact opposite. Sorry you didn’t understand that
Posted By: MckenzieGold
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?  
  Yes, Dear, there is.    
       
   If they do read my post and my website carefully. They will know I'm a tall and big woman    
       
   If that is not what they are looking for. They should not come to me in the first place!    
       
   If you think a guy can be a jerk to a woman is perfectly reasonable. Fine!  Is your personal opinions    
       
   The next time a guy ask me the same question I will answer  "I'm a woman, but are you an asshole? "  Because I have the right speak up about my discomfort too!
Posted By: CamilleUK
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?    
   Agree that speaking up about feeling discomfort and ending the session is the right thing to do. I’ve done it myself and had it done to me. Yep, it stings for a few mins but it passes much more quickly than the memory of some imbecile asking if you are transgender.  What is not right is asking someone if they are transgender. What’s the point? If they say ‘yes’ the guy leaves. If they say ‘no’ the guy (if he has brains) will still leave (because he is not feeling it) but he also hurts someone in the process. Sorry but there are zero reasons or excuses for what they did. None
Posted By: Allstar
Re: What did these men do that was so bad?    
    From what I read, both men felt uncomfortable. The first asked if you were transgender and the second clearly displayed discomfort as well. Being uncomfortable and speaking up about that does not make someone a jerk. Many providers on these boards ask men repeatedly why they finish appointments with women they were unhappy with and go on to write bad reviews? It’s mean, or horrible to speak up and leave an uncomfortable situation? I would rather know up front if there is going to be a problem personally. I don’t want to be with women who feel they have to grin and bare being with me. When that happens to a guy, it’s called YMMV.      
           
     I can understand how you feel, I have been rejected by many women in my life. I was once laughed at by a carload of women at a stoplight who made remarks about how skinny I was and that I had no muscles. That doesn’t feel good at all.      
           
     There is nothing you can do about the fact you don’t meet the mainstream societal standards for beauty. I certainly wasn’t women’s idea of attractive or boyfriend material, so I’ve felt what your describing many many times. Nothing I’ve ever done has made me attractive to the majority of women, so I just accepted that and focused on all the positive things in my life and the great people who are my friends. As you pointed out, you are marketing yourself honestly and are doing well most of the time.      
           
     Feeling anger toward people who don’t accept you will only affect your own happiness. Them speaking up allowed you to move on to customers who are happy with you and your service.  

There will always be douche bags.  

I am always fascinated by tall , strong women. My loss you are in in my part of the country.

Damn, that's a fabulous percentage!

I've been in sales/customer service/retail ops since 1969 and have had THOUSANDS of customer interactions. Most of them have been good to outstanding -- but there will always be unhappy, dissatisfied and just plain asshat people who find their way to you. As an example of how bad this can get, I've had weapons pulled on me twice while in a retail environment -- THAT can ruin your whole day!

As long as you are representing yourself honestly and authentically, then the issue is theirs -- try not to take  it too personally. Nobody likes rejection but when you're in a business dealing with the general public, you will get a fair amount of it.

Good luck and move forward!

Thanks buddy  

You saying the same my godfather said 'since you dealing with the public and you will run into all kind of people,Some are nice and some are not  

I need better let go skill

Yeah, that was some harsh shit to say to a woman, I don't blame you for being pissed.

 
I don't really know if there is a "good" way to tell a woman she doesn't cut it for you where it comes to looks, but there are a lot "less mean" ways to say it. Just remember there are plenty of guys willing to PAY for the privilege of being with you, How many girls do you think would pay for their company? The best revenge is "living well" That's the best way to learn "let go" skills. lol

Hey.Gaga. Focus the 95% and F the rest of 5% haha  

This is living well ,What does not work the 5% but works the 95%

Asian spinner guy, too, like GaG, but I don't rule out taller girls with good reviews.  My last review was for an Asian girl I saw over Christmas weekend (and repeated with three days later for two hours) who was 6-1.  I'm 5-11, but when you're horizontal, height difference means nothing.  I scored it a 9/9 session without hesitation.  Her ad photos were extremely accurate, which I always appreciate.  

And I’d love to meet you! I don’t know if you know other providers in MN but if you don’t (or if you do even) I’d be happy to get lunch with you sometime! This job can be difficult emotionally sometimes and it helps to have friends.

Abbi has it right. If you ever need someone to talk to call me. 480-485-6160 Eden
I’m sorry this happened to you.

More than happy to

Posted By: AbbiMinx
Re: Hey! I saw you’re in Minneapolis...
And I’d love to meet you! I don’t know if you know other providers in MN but if you don’t (or if you do even) I’d be happy to get lunch with you sometime! This job can be difficult emotionally sometimes and it helps to have friends.

and I wear heels that are no less than 4.1/4 inches. Absolutely will not consider it! I just purchased a pair of heels that are five inches high and I have a few pair already as tall. So in those heels it puts me at 6'4 at least. I have been asked twice in the past about my gender. It seems it is beyond some men's comprehension that there are tall women! I cannot and will not wear flats!! Sorry but to me they are not sexy and they hurt my feet! I also am now training with a very muscular woman and I actually hired her because of her physique! I like a defined body on a woman. She did tell me that due to my height when I get muscular that I will look like a monster! I was like wow but I smiled. If anyone feels the need to ask my gender when I do reach monster status lol I will show him the door. l am a woman, through and through. Had my sex been something else previously before I would share it. I am sorry to hear this happening to you, even after you show them your pinkness. That's terrible! I saw some pics but maybe take some in sexier dresses and heels lol! Heels rock!!!! Depending on your foot size I can lend you a pair for new pics! :)

If anyone feels the need to ask my gender when I do reach monster status lol I will show him the door. l am a woman, through and through.

 
Thumbs up for that 101 times  

Be proud being a tall woman.I've decided the next time someone asked me that question.I will not prove anything, I will just say 'Good-Bye" and turn around back to my room myself.

I don't have to spend time with assholes

When he asked you if you were a Tranny you took time to show him you were not.

Rather you should have slapped him upside the head and kicked him where the sun does not shine and then drop kicked him towards the door
You have pictures and TER profile that clearly shows who you are and what you are and “ asshat “ number one was more then a little out of line .
Continue being the proud and sensitive lady you appear to be.

Just checked out your site & pics. Your site says clearly you're tall & athletic. All lot of guys don't read, they look @ pics and dial.  

Things will get better. Keep your head up.

1. There are many big and tall women who are on TER. I am short, but sometimes I like to be with a tall woman, as long as they are thin and tall, not "big" and tall. Not every tall Provider creates doubt in the minds of their clients. (Also, I am talking about full service Providers, not massage only.)  Your pics on P411 clearly show that you are athletic and tall, not thin and tall. That can create some ambiguity. One suggestion: take some pics with your HAIR PULLED BACK. Sometimes the SHAPE of the face can convey M or F characteristics. Does your face have feminine features? Can you add a little makeup for face pics? You can still use blurring. (Maybe I will add a recent story, at the end.)
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2. There have been other FS Providers on TER who touted their NCAA volleyball backgrounds. One even mentioned that she played varsity on an Ivy League V-ball team.  The two I am thinking of were "California" blondes: tall, curvy, etc. with unambiguous, very fetching lingerie photos.  
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3. Thankfully, I have not been in many uncomfortable situations. If I was in such a situation, I think I would try to use my sense of humor to try to ask or make my direct comments very indirectly, always trying to gauge my hostess's sense of humor and to give her a chance to "get" what I am talking about. A close made up example might be about rock hard fake boobs. "Wow! What are these made of?  Kevlar body armor? ... When we're finished here, let's go rob a bank!" But I would already have some sense that she would "get" the jokes and not be hurt by the criticism of her boob choice. Humor is very hard to translate across languages and cultures. (I have many Chinese friends. Chinese jokes are really hard to understand.)  (Some K-girls I knew both before and after their surgeries knew me well enough that I could joke about preferring their pre-boob job boobs.)  
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4. Where humor didn't seem appropriate, I have either really been ill or pretended to be ill. "I'm not feeling well. Let's just hang out for a while ... So what position did you play on your V-ball team? What's your best Standing Vertical Jump?" (This will get me in BIG trouble: Women can't jump!)
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Sometimes, "I'm not feeling so well. I think I had a bad piece of sushi or something. I'd better leave. Here's the envelope. Sorry." (There was also a situation where I really was ill even tho' I wanted to proceed full speed ahead!)  
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5. The guys you described were expressing their discomfort, perhaps very clumsily. Some people say that the BRAIN is the largest sex organ. If they got some idea in their head upon meeting you, it can be very hard to dispel. They won't be comfortable so they ask to leave or to avoid certain things. Although their comments were hurtful to you, I think they were trying to be mean or insulting. They were just socially inept.  Are you comfortable enough to answer the door in your V-ball shorts? Those shorts do not hide anything!  By the way: beach V-ball (even MORE revealing) or indoor V-ball? If your pics leave any doubt, V-ball shorts will put an end to that!  
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6. I am in urban areas where there are many Asian civvies of every size and shape. My glances are more attracted to spinners, of course, but also to the tall, thin women.  But I also enjoy ogling the tall, "big" women, some of whom have picture post-card or cover-girl faces.  
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7. A few weeks ago, I was on a crowded subway but I was pleased to be standing in front of a late 20-ish attractive black woman dressed very hip and stylishly. Over the course of several stops, I'm checking things out. From the bend of her legs, I can see that she is very tall. She had fashionable leather knee-high full-lace boots. But her feet were huge: maybe size 13 mens. (My foot was not too far from hers for a side by side comparison against the tiles in the subway car.) Her hair (or wig?) was straight and light brown with a big jeweled ribbon - head band thing. She had on winter clothing, but her coat was partially unzipped and her chest was not flat. Her big stylish shopping bag thing was on her lap so I had no view of her crotch. Then I got to her face. A faint dark fuzzy mustache. Some lipstick. No eye makeup. ... To me, this face was 100% male. She did not smile. She squinted and scowled right at me. It was a little bit scary.  I "framed" just her face in my mind and this could be somebody I used to play basketball with (men's basketball, not co-ed).  I am nearly positive that it was a guy. I didn't leave early or ask for my fare back or ask her wassup but I just continued to my stop.  
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Embrace the positives. Don't hold on to the occasional negatives. Let it go.  
Let it go, let it go.
Turn away and slam the door.
I don't care what they're going to say.
Let the storm rage on.
The cold never bothered me anyway.
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Summary: New pics with hair pulled back to show face. Greet guests with hair pulled back and more revealing outfit. Maybe some makeup.
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Haoyun!  Xin nian kuai le!

GaGambler138 reads

You and John Galt used to be buddies, weren't you? lol

 
and just what part of "are you a tranny?" is not mean or insulting?

 
sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes guys are simply insulting jerks. Why even attempt to defend the indefensible?

Posted By: GaGambler
You and John Galt used to be buddies, weren't you? lol
"Who is John Galt?"  
and just what part of "are you a tranny?" is not mean or insulting?
There is intent, which I think was absent in these 2 cases, and consequence or effect, which was present.  You're there, you're in the moment, you're in doubt ... "I'll just close my eyes and hope for the best, even if I feel a heart attack coming on." or "Eh, ... just wondering ... I've seen a lot of pictures of fakes on the internet, really attractive fakes I might add, but ... are ... you, uh, ... well, ... just to put my mind at ease ..."  
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It must have been all those essays and papers I had to write as a student.  (1500 words? More words! I need more words!) I have to admit that I admire your ability to get to the point concisely.

just so you could use that line and post that pic. 😊

I'm sure you have been around TER long enough to remember the TER poster johngaltnh, who GaG is comparing you to.  
In any case here is a reminder.  A link to just one of his hundreds of "paid by the word" posts. 😊

-- Modified on 2/7/2018 6:12:11 PM

Yep. I remember johngaltnh. I even used to ask HIM, "Who is John Galt?" :-)  
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I didn't remember that he was, eh, another wordy type.  
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(Must! ...... Resist! ....... No! ...... More! ...... Wor

This is a very strange business.  I’ve seen some absolutely gorgeous women whom others felt looked masculine in their photos.  Square features like the jaw-line and shoulders, for example, create questions by some.  Perhaps those guys were previoulsy surprised by a tranny or two and are gun shy.  Who knows.  Try not to let it get to you.  

I am so sorry that happened to you. Some men wouldn't know a real lady if she bit them in the ass. Don't fret the simple thoughts of simple minds....you're a queen. Now straighten that tiara and walk tall..

Hugs from Vegas.  

Maddy

I dont know how to feel about this situation. on the one hand i cant help but seeing some humor in it. on the other hand i know first hand what it feels when the person who makes an appt looks or acts or says things that make us feel uncomfortable, but i also feel a little sad that you think being thought of as trans is some kind of an insult (unless i just read too much into your post). In short, i sympathize with you.  

would you accept advice from a colleague who is trans? if so here it goes: the more you try to prove you are not who they think you are, the more convinced they will be you are just that. In other words, certain things you just dont have control over, so why worry more than you ought to? Use their ignorance, and rejection as an inspiration, and use it to value yourself more for the uniqueness of your look that may stir things in people that makes then insecure about themselves. If you think youre beautiful and love yourself, then who cares what some people may think? but if they  make appts with you they should indeed pay for your time.

I have nothing against trans. There is nothing wrong to be trans and but I'm not trans.

Genteically you are what you are.  Wanting to not be doesnt change what the BIOLOGY and GENETICS say you are

Otherwise you’d be aware how reductive and inaccurate your statement is.

 
-signed someone with a biology degree

This is disgusting.  In this business, everyone puts up with a lot of bullshit. Whether provider or hobbyists, we all have been taken advantage of or insulted in some shape or form.  Can't we all just be a little more respectful and empathetic?  It's a shame such ignorance is being projected at you.  However, fighting ignorance with more ignorance is not going to improve anything.  Educate yourselves.  If you don't know something ask in a way that doesn't compromise someone else.  Try to feel how you are affecting others. Personally, I find much of this dialogue to be derogatory and stigmatic.   Did anyone here consider that a trans person might read this? I AM A TRANNY.  Last I checked it doesn't need to be censored.  I AM A REAL WOMAN. Because I said so, much like MckenzieGold undoubtedly told whatever dunce prompted this conversation.  I'm TERRIFYING, but no need to jump through the window.  I AM IN MINNEAPOLIS.  I encourage you to get to know the story of trans providers.  I would happily chat/meet with anyone who would like to hear the perspective from someone in the community.  You might find we are just people too.  

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