the dashboard stating why I'm there and give the name of the provider and her address and apt no in case they want to verify.
No problems so far.
I have a few questions primarily regarding incalls that have been worrying me somewhat. Wherever you live and hobby, if you go to a provider's incall your vehicle, license plate and quite likely images of yourself on surveillance cameras will be recorded time after time. Makes it extremely easy for LE to keep track of whom is visiting said provider and saving such info for future eventualities. If at some point they decide to shut down or harass a provider by arresting her and her johns (or simply paying them a visit at their workplace or home) it would be quite simple. The home of one of my providers is in a pleasant little neighborhood with lots of activity of people working in their yards, children playing, workmen coming and going etc. Since she literally lives two streets over from a very large public golf course, I will park my car there and walk over two blocks as I know that this is a very safe neighborhood and it takes less than 90 seconds. She finally noticed after my third or fourth visit that I was arriving on foot and this seemed to creep her out a little bit and she started into a line of questioning. I explained to her my security concerns for both herself (too much traffic) and myself but she still didn't get it. Has anyone had similar thoughts on security and how have you dealt with it and have the providers cared?
At least that's one conclusion that could be drawn when I park on the driveway of a low-volume provider I see every few weeks (the only provider I'm seeing right now who has her incall at her residence), get out of my car dressed in business attire, grab my briefcase, and ring the doorbell.
For some other providers with spaces used only for incalls, I sometimes walk a couple of blocks, but that's to avoid paying for parking vs security. All the incalls are in buildings used for other purposes. I prefer those kind of incalls over hotels, which definitely do have cameras and also have staff who are likely looking out for certain kinds of people.
the dashboard stating why I'm there and give the name of the provider and her address and apt no in case they want to verify.
No problems so far.
...a member of the Corleone family can never be too cautious. Could it be that your opinion of "too much traffic" is maybe a little optimistic? It seems that she's not worried, which leads me to believe that she is very low volume or isn't worried about her neighbors.
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..... that we don't have front license plates. So I usually back in to the parking space. At least my plate is kept out of general view.
I also always have a grocery store or shopping bag with me. I guess it does nothing other than make me feel like I'm looking like a normal visitor.
Being cautious is one thing, paranoid is uncomfortable.
If I'm uncomfortable, I'm not doing it. I'm in this for fun.
Now, I'm not in favor of being reckless. But seeing an independent provider at her residence is not very risky, since LE generally won't expend limited resources going after single girls.
If you're a worrier, avoid agency girls for that reason.
I live in Vegas and it is on my mind that the casinos are photographing every license plate as you come and go. My activity is so spread out between hotels and my incall that I don't think it adds up to much in one place. I ask my gentlemen friends to come to my incall with a briefcase, an envelope in hand or a small box so that it looks like there is some other business being conducted. Gentlemen, whatever you do... don't look around shifty eyed before you enter our incall.
While I never discount someone's legit concerns about their security and I applaud your decision to park away from her house -- if LE was going to get you, they will eventually get you. Most of us are WAY down their priority list and, unless y'all are high value targets in some fashion unrelated to p4p, generally not going to be a target.
I normally have a wine bag with me and 3-4 bottles of goodies in it; since I'm in the wine biz and travel with such a bag almost everyday, it's a good cover. I'm just visiting a friend and we're sampling..uh, wine -- yeah, that's it -- we're just sampling WINE!
There's a balance to be achieved in your p4p experiences -- be cautious, be concerned with your security and hers, as well. But don't let that lead you into "paralysis by analysis" -- if you've done your research, she's a well-reviewed provider and y'all are careful, then relax and have fun!
She may be worried that not wanting to be seen means you’ll try something dangerous with her and vanish without a trace. Although if she trusts you to come to her private residence, we would assume she has done proper screening. If you’ve seen her a few times, hopefully you both have some mutual trust established, but from the sounds of things you both are questioning one another.
I agree that LE doesn’t usually spend resources to track a single provider UNLESS she is causing some sort of public disturbance. If you are worried about a lady being too high traffic you can always see someone at a higher rate because (in theory of supply/demand) she would have less volume. Agencies are where you have to be careful. They sometimes pull suspicious moves like setting up 4 girls to one hotel room and keep a revolving door of clients in and out.
visiting. This is only common sense. A few doors to either side or maybe half a block away works well. It is all about discretion.
worked out of her residence in a suburban neighborhood. The first time I went, I was a little spooked because it was a Saturday and the neighbors were out working in their yards, children playing, people walking dogs, etc. Before I went back, I put a tattered old briefcase, a cardigan sweater, some fake eyeglasses and a pair of brown shoes in the trunk of my car. After that, I would put on the costume a few blocks away, and when I arrived I just looked like an insurance salesman visiting a policy holder. The neighbors bought it and specifically avoided eye contact with me even if I said hello to them so that they could keep from hearing a sales pitch. That's the only place I ever went to that kind of trouble and it worked so well I still have that stuff in a bag in my trunk in case I need it again someday.
One of my favorite ladies lived in a single family home in a very sketchy neighborhood where my shiny new BMW stood out in her driveway like a sign that said "feel free to break in because I'll be preoccupied for the next hour". I begged her to meet me at a hotel or somewhere else but she just did not want to leave her comfort zone so I very reluctantly gave up seeing her. You will be known to be carrying significant amounts of cash and arriving at an incall with only one thing on your mind by the neighborhood drug users and other bad types so you will be a great target for robbery. They also know that you will be very reluctant to call the police yourself and explain what you are doing there etc etc. I feel that you should have a plan for safe entry and exit and I just think that we should share tips and tricks to keep ourselves and our providers as safe as possible. We all just want to share some wonderful quality time with our lovely lady friends without any hassle (which would be very difficult to explain at home as well). We are all grown world- wise men, some of whom have extensive experience in law and security fields and someone should be able to formulate a nifty list of the top ten do's and dont's for ensuring a visit to a provider's incall if that hasn't been done recently.
The only story that I have seen where this was an issue is in Atlanta, Georgia. An agency was busted, and a good number of clients. The difference was they flipped a provider and there was a camera INSIDE the residence, filming clients in the act.
So, I still adhere to the premise that while you may be observed or even recorded, it doesn't matter. The Po-Po can't bust you for legally parking your car. You can't be arrested for walking to an apartment complex or domicile in a suburban neighborhood. They would have to catch you in the act of exchanging (or promising the exchange) of money for sex. Similar to the show, "To Catch a Predator". They had e-mails, before the meeting, to nail the criminals. The e-mails showed 'intent' to execute a plan to sleep with an underage girl, to commit a crime. They showed-up on the premises, then were subsequently arrested.
Of the provders I've seen who worked from home, one ran a legit side business doing office services. I made a point to always bring a brief case or pholio... she paid extra for the additional parking space which was marked with her business name. I think the point is to appear to have legit business at the location... tailored to that location.
A "pholio" was a place to keep your phallus.
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Cameras not only record cars, and license plates it also people’s faces. Using your paranoid logic, LE can come up with a same suspicion by seeing a guy going in and out of a house. Today’s Facial recognition software is so advanced, it can filter out distortions and match you with all the data bases that may have your photo such as your drivers license, and all the things you are paranoid about could still happen to you.
Your logic is a vicious circle, without a logical answer. If the LE wants you, there are many ways they can find information and as digitizing information continues, there will be more and more information will become available.
Orville was right and our freedo is being chipped away bit by bit.
In NY for example they can an do take your car.... another reason to Uber
Btw they don’t just tow it depending on the circumstances it’s can be permanent
maybe I watch too many crime shows but I but I can't help but think that if God forbid something happens in the neighborhood of her incall and the police start reviewing CCTV to see who is coming and going that you might receive an unpleasant call or visit that could out even though you are totally uninvolved. And even though I have a concealed carry permit and am often walking out into dark parking lots at night after a visit I still don't carry during the visit because I would not want to risk upsetting any provider in any way.
Sunday night, I was parked around the corner from her hotel incall and my truck was stolen.
I was doing an overnight and parked at 6:30pm. The parking lot neighbor has cameras and recorded the theft at 12:30am. It was a professional crew in two brand new cars, carrying guns. They were in the truck in 15 seconds and drove it away within 5 minutes.
Bastards!!!!!!
While I was having my brains ecstatically fucked out, the pricks were driving away with my way of pulling my trailer.
Maybe, I'll get it back. Hhhhmmmmm.
I'm never going to park away from the in call again,
I always park in a city garage so I have no issues. I also never see providers who live in my city. For personal reasons I prefer ones who visit. That said for your situation I would have a cover story and dress the part. If you're coming to the house in business attire hold a folder with papers in it. Make it look like a business meeting. There are a variety of consultants who visit homes from attorneys, business consultants, real estate, investment, etc.
Even when I visit hotels I always have a story for why I'm there in case I run into someone I know.