you seem to be on a roll today. Are you drunk today, or are you normally drunk and today you're not?
My current ATF has asked that I help her out.. Her best friend has decided to be an escort.. has never done it and she wants her first experience to be positive.. She has asked that I see her the first time.. at her friends house, while my ATF takes care of her kids..
I've seen pictures of her friend and she is smoking hot. .she's all over my ATF's Facebook page..
So, I'm game.. at some level. something like this is on my bucket list.. right now my thoughts are to go very slowly with her and make it a positive experience.. Of course, part of the deal is a review afterwards so she can get started here..
Just curious what others think.. I'm usually very hesitant to TOFTT.. but I trust my ATF.. a lot.. and I understand her concern for her friend.. originally we were going to do a double as the first time, but child care issues caused that to not happen.. as my ATF said.. I trust you to be good to her..
...my #1 girl had a friend who was considering getting into the life, and she asked me if I would be her first session...I agreed but when the date approached the friend backed out...
So my advice to you would be to not count on it actually happening until you are actually in the room together...
...I'll bet very few providers first time is with a female monger 😁👍
Not much experience for the gal is it?
Considering the bulk of her clients will be male.
....and since I'm very cognizant of making sure her profile will be accurate it is a win win for both of us.
Can't wait! 
Have you ever considered she is BSing you?
Just to get her GF some businesses?
I'd want proof she's never hooked before.
That said, to the OP, I sort of share the scepticism.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but something is amiss.
Just to see, has any other provider obtained their first client in this fashion
I've walked in and said this yl dosen't look like she has ever provided before. Only to leave have been convinced, she has.
How can you tell? You can't unless it's obvious.
OP, how did you meet the ATF?
You can't prove a negative, Vern.
Why does it even matter? If she's smoking hot, willing, and the rate is reasonable, does it matter if it's her first trick? This is starting to sound like the conversation about being the first John of a the day.
Especially if she's hot.
However, this is the marketing bases presented by the person making the introduction, she is the one who is making the importance of being new a factor.
Don't lose track of what the topic is.
Why does it even matter? If she's smoking hot, willing, and the rate is reasonable, does it matter if it's her first trick? This is starting to sound like the conversation about being the first John of a the day.
Just to get her GF some businesses?
I'd want proof she's never hooked before.
I can't even get the one's I want to TOFTT with to answer the phone.
Your ATF made a big deal about her being new.
I wouldn't much care about her being new, other than that being your ATF's reasoning for you seeing her
Hmmmm I thought you couldn't prove a negative ... learn something everyday on here.
as a friend and as on opportunity to see someone new and start her out right. I've done it a number of times for my former ATF, usually as a double and it has usually worked out well.
I would have some great sessions and some not so great sessions. According to my ATF, the biggest issue the newbies had was the age difference. So now I prefer not to be the first one, but I do line up quickly if the newbie turns out to be old fogy friendly.
I wouldn't want to be a 40something's first trick.
Do you know how old the friend is ? If not-how old is your ATF ? I would presume them to be the same age if "Bestie's"... Point of curiosity and also....if your ATF is 40'ish and the "Trainee" is very young.......(although if she has kids-she's not that young....and also-have you inquired as to why she wants to get into the business ? I presume financial pressure, etc....l...just curious !
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gonna pay you ... for your time, naturally. 😉
I think that a good first experience is a plus... but also there might be an OTC discussion (maybe a group discussion with ATF) with all the techniques of managing a session. The NP needs to hit the ground running & not be taken advantage of by the unwashed multitudes.
I don't think a double is a good idea... unless the second acts more as a coach but hangs back. Or maybe a show & tell session?
And a deer runs up to you, grabs your gun, shoots itself and falls into the back of your pickup, I think you're obligated to take it home and eat it.
Further, ANYTIME a provider recommends you see another provider, it's a "get out of jail free" card, so you should go.
I've been seeing the ATF for about 18 months. We get along... she's 26.. so is her friend.. they've been buds for 8 years and the two of them have been doing each other for almost all that time. The friend had a kid about 6 months ago.. and she needs money... so her friend told her ok... she hasn't worked before.. zero reason to lie about that... the cost? My call... a tip was encouraged..
Of course I'll go for it... I am expecting more than a few rules..
Personally, I think you are bragging, and why not? I completely agree with "of course you will go for it" So would I.
Actually having a trusted "friend" be her first customer is hardly unusual. I know several agencies that have a designated "first customer" who they trust to give truthful feedback and not to be rough or otherwise make a girl's first session be a bad one.
Have fun.
Good Answers ! Go For It !! (But---report back please)!!!!
I had a regular, she wasn't my ATF, but just someone I was seeing off and on for about two years. She had a friend who was curious about the "business".Both were in their mid 30's with kids, if that helps. She ask if I would like to meet her and after I saw her pictures I figured, sure why not. She was very attractive and had a great body,just my type. For our first date, my friend had us meet at her apartment and she made the intro. We were then left alone and had a great time. Now, being that she was new she couldn't host so I took it upon myself to get a hotel room for our future dates.When we met she felt bad in that I had to get the room, that she always extended the date a few hours more then what we had planned. We had room service lunches, wine and all the trimmings, it was a great time.
Then one day, I wanted to see our friend, the one who set this all up. Well, it was sure "cold" in that room. She gave me a few narky remarks like, "You never took me to the Sheraton","We never had Sushi before"..and on and on..you get where this is going? Then our one hour dates turned into a 59 minute date and she just became very, distant and cold..she wouldn't share her smoke with me anymore...lol.
Anyway, our dates became very "ordinary" and I stopped see her. Then my new found friend found a Sugar Daddy a few months later and it was "Sayonara" Happy... puto!
So now I was left with Nada....oh well. Not that this could happen to you but.....
So you decide....
There are a million stories in the naked city.
Great story... and somthing to be careful about for sure..
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your original friend didn't offer all the OTC (I'm guessing here) that the new gal did so you milked it much like I might/would. So I'm not judging. But it sounds like you did pretty well for yourself.
It also seems you preferred the new gal and did what most of us would, go where you have more fun, more (bang for your buck?)
Your old friend didn't appreciate the competition and being #2. I'd bet she won't be helping any other gals like her "lover" again.
You make it sound like you're the victim? Poor baby ... lol
The original gal probably feels the same.
Explanation just to say you only got 59 minutes instead of a whole hour??? If you ask, she will probably be willing to give you 61 minutes next time in order to keep you as a customer. I know my regulars would.
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downplay the obtuseness for those in the balcony?
God bless you dude ... Sugar Daddy, ehhh. Shit happens.
Cold, lost smoke? ... that sucks.
Then one day, I wanted to see our friend, the one who set this all up. Well, it was sure "cold" in that room. She gave me a few narky remarks like, "You never took me to the Sheraton","We never had Sushi before"..and on and on..you get where this is going? Then our one hour dates turned into a 59 minute date and she just became very, distant and cold..she wouldn't share her smoke with me anymore...lol.
Anyway, our dates became very "ordinary" and I stopped see her. Then my new found friend found a Sugar Daddy a few months later and it was "Sayonara" Happy... puto!
So now I was left with Nada....oh well. Not that this could happen to you but.....
So you decide....
Your previous ATF was unprofessional & had blinders on. You and the New Gal that she introduced you to... had blurred the lines between provider / SB / FWB... because you were springing for extras but she was including extra time (I'm presuming OTC). It should not be lost on any of us that the NG did indeed go with a SD (better offer than yours apparently). If that was pointed out to the ATF, would she have volunteered to the same arangement? I Don't Think So. ATF should feel free to fish in the Sugar Pond likewise.
But trying to explain this to the ATF is like trying to correct hooker-math.
LOL, I had a similar experience years ago, in that I had an ATF whom I seen on and off for a few years, Then one day, the ATF approached the subject, by asking me into a three some with her friend who wanted to get started in the biz.
Both my AFT and her friend, were bi sexual, and I was hesitant to go forward with a threesome, and paying for both of them, so my AFT discounted her rate, by suggesting an overnight date
at my place with her, and her friend, so I took her up on the offer. I compensated 2 hours to each, and had the overnighter, and they bought dinner and drinks over to my place.
It was my very first threesome, and while it was exciting, it was also awkward. Over time, when I set appointments with my ATF, My ATF began to drop snarky little comments, like you have never had candles lit during our dates, and you bought new bed linens for the overnighter, was that for her ?
In the end, I began to see less of my ATF, as she encouraged me to spend time with her "friend" who needed the $$. I seen her "friend " who was charging me quite a bit less than my ATF, and also would come over and hang out OTC, and even spent a few nights with sex OTC because she liked me.
Then the day came, when my former ATF called me up, and hurdled a bunch of curse words and other dagger loaded statements at me. She was mad as hell, cause she was under the impression, that I was involved in a relationship with her "friend " of which was more than pay for play.
In the end, my ATF and her friend both were competing over me, and then both turned on me.
Oh what a tangled web did she weave, and then blame it on me. LOL
Then one day, I wanted to see our friend, the one who set this all up. Well, it was sure "cold" in that room. She gave me a few narky remarks like, "You never took me to the Sheraton","We never had Sushi before"..and on and on..you get where this is going? Then our one hour dates turned into a 59 minute date and she just became very, distant and cold..she wouldn't share her smoke with me anymore...lol.
Anyway, our dates became very "ordinary" and I stopped see her. Then my new found friend found a Sugar Daddy a few months later and it was "Sayonara" Happy... puto!
So now I was left with Nada....oh well. Not that this could happen to you but.....
So you decide....
Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!
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personally i would not do it if i were in your position. If you experienced what can occur on the other end of things you would understand. Its hard to put in words why i think its a bad idea. I wish i could be more eloquent here but those are my two cents.
whatever you decide, good luck!
Not that it's a bad idea, duh. Just that you aren't being very eloquent about why you think it's such a bad idea. lo
"Of course, part of the deal is a review afterwards so she can get started here."
Considering your ATF is asking you to review her "best friend?!"
I've seen pictures of her friend and she is smoking hot. .she's all over my ATF's Facebook page..
So, I'm game.. at some level. something like this is on my bucket list.. right now my thoughts are to go very slowly with her and make it a positive experience.. Of course, part of the deal is a review afterwards so she can get started here..
Just curious what others think.. I'm usually very hesitant to TOFTT.. but I trust my ATF.. a lot.. and I understand her concern for her friend.. originally we were going to do a double as the first time, but child care issues caused that to not happen.. as my ATF said.. I trust you to be good to her..
In the rates section it will say one review. 
That's the price the OP is paying for the session, his review should reflect the price he pays.
That and I'm being a smart ass.
you seem to be on a roll today. Are you drunk today, or are you normally drunk and today you're not?
Your fave, with whom you have been having a great time, asks you have sex with her hot girl friend with whom she has been having a great time. All you have to do is show her a really good time so the experience is positive for her. So many be she loves DATY and --of gosh-- you'd have to do that for a long time. Or she likes cow girl or doggy or giving head and you'd HAVE to do all those things may be all afternoon. This all costs you nothing but it could end up with you with both of them.FORCED to please them both.
Of course, there is danger, you may have to write a review and you know how complicated that can be.
My question is: WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?
Sounds to me like your dreams have come true. You even have lopaw, sasha 2 cute, and Robin commenting on your situation
Of course, there is danger, you may have to write a review and you know how complicated that can be.
My question is: WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?
Sounds to me like your dreams have come true. You even have lopaw, sasha 2 cute, and Robin commenting on your situation.
Thanks. Not sure how I
stuck it in there.
stuck it in there.
What you mean is honest or objective.
I would not prejudge the OP as long as he is open about how the session came to be.
I would not prejudge the OP as long as he is open about how the session came to be.
...but in these types of situations you have to remain as objective as possible to be fair to both the provider and other hobbyists. You've got to give it a few days to step back and really consider everything.
easy.. I write the review like I always would.. she needs a review to start at TER.. I've written 30 or so by now.. and I told my ATF that I would have to review as it was.. She said she would have a talk with her to be sure that she understood how the system works..
All reviews are by their nature biased, just as fishbro said. After all, you are reviewing someone you just had sex with.
This will hardly be the first time a guy has seen the BFF of their ATF. With all the review fraud going on already, this is hardly the biggest instance of "conflict of interest"
Maybe Robbin has too much turkey today and all the blood has rushed from her head to her stomach?
This will hardly be the first time a guy has seen the BFF of their ATF. With all the review fraud going on already, this is hardly the biggest instance of "conflict of interest"
Maybe Robbin has too much turkey today and all the blood has rushed from her head to her stomach?
We all have biases, our likes and dislikes.
But that said, a good reviewer gives an objective and honest account, which should include disclosing any bias that may affect the review.
This will hardly be the first time a guy has seen the BFF of their ATF. With all the review fraud going on already, this is hardly the biggest instance of "conflict of interest"
Maybe Robbin has too much turkey today and all the blood has rushed from her head to her stomach?
Rushing to my pussy, so perhaps that's why I don't always make sense...kind of like guys thinking with their 'little heads.'
I love and respect the ladies willing to give us their bodies for an envelope but I'll buck the trend here. I wouldn't be the one to facilitate someone getting in the business. Yes I said it. If they get in, they get in. I won't be the one to open that door.
Many girls love this choice and career while others regret it and It darkens their soul moving forward in life. I had a similar situation recently with a girl trying to be a sugarbaby for the first time. Hot as Hell, good career path but struggling, respectable (aside from the 3 kids with 3 guys😒) and 30 but i did not want to be the one that encouraged her to take that plunge. I ended up blowing her off and hopefully she came up with a better plan because I don't think it was for her.
I wouldn't encourage it or facilitate it for a friend's daughter, cousin, a relative of a friend, etc. Most of them are young enough they can get going in different directions and have a great, successful, financially rewarding life without going down this often dark path. It's a fine choice for many people but for many it's not. I think even most providers on here would agree it's not a great choice for most people and not without heavy consequences . Most would never encourage their daughter or friend or relative to get into it. I wouldn't be the one to open that gateway, my conscience is clear that way.
she already has made it.
Secondly, I disagree that providing is as unsettling to gals as you are making it out to be.
It's not like she is being trafficked, after all.
She's not a friend or anything more than a very attractive woman who wants to see how things go.. I told my ATF that she might take one look and say.. No way.. He's too old.. and then she would know .. not for her.. I'm OK with that too.. I find it interesting..
She has decided to get into the business; who better than me to be her first customer? I am a good guy - I am clean, on time and I never short the envelope. I am a gentleman and a considerate person. I am on my best behavior with women who are going to be handling my testicles... If doing me is going to be a problem - best for her to know now, in a controlled situation, that this life isn't for her
I can't think of a way to sugarcoat it, you don't love or more importantly "RESPECT" the women who choose sex work as a way to make a living what so ever.
Your moral code is just that, YOURS. Sex for pay is not all that different than sex for recreation, or sex for the hope of landing a good husband, or sex just because you're horny. UNLESS of course, your own personal moral code tells you otherwise, but that's YOUR code, not mine and not the code of countless thousands of happy women that just happen to have sex for a living.
I have a sneaking suspicion you grew up in a religious household. No need to confirm or deny this, but some of us do not subscribe to the belief that having sex for money leads to any kind of "darkness" on our souls. What a load of fucking crap.
He is a realitive stranger. She hasn't had to run an ad or take a risk with an unknown guy (because her BFF has vouched for him & knows who he is).
This business we play... is not for everyone. She gets to try it, see if see can do it with minimal risk. If she doesn't want to continue... no one else will ever know hat she explored this option. If she decides to continue, she'll have both her BFFs input & a good first client so she'll know if something hinky is suggested.
In a true TOFTT, the risks are fourfold. Is she LE? Is she a ROB? Is she a B&S? and Is she any good in bed?
In this situation, the first three risks are eliminated. The worst that can happen is he gets a lackluster session with a woman he finds attractive and she decides that maybe the business is not for her. Seems like a no brainer to me. A lot of people seem to be foreseeing problems that most likely will never happen. Keep in mind the new girl has a 6 month old baby, it's not like she is going to be packing her bags to go to Hawaii with him. leaving the ATF in the lurch and leading to hard potential hard feelings.
I see this as a win win for both parties. She gets to find out if she can have sex with a stranger without any legal or physical risk. He gets to try out a fresh face that he already has said he finds attractive without any financial risk as far as getting ripped off like there would be in a true TOFTT scenario
I think you helping this new women (Escort) to the business is a wonderful thing and great for her to first get started especially you knowing her bestfriend and her feeling super safe with you. If this is on your bucket list make this a very special moment for yourself and her as well so it's both a good experience for both you and her. I hope you both enjoy eachother very much and have a great time.
I really don't see a down side to this proposition. As long as she knows your review will be an honest assessment, you should be in fine shape to have a romping good time.
You seem very on the fence about it...if you are doubting, don't do it.
I've seen pictures of her friend and she is smoking hot. .she's all over my ATF's Facebook page..
So, I'm game.. at some level. something like this is on my bucket list.. right now my thoughts are to go very slowly with her and make it a positive experience.. Of course, part of the deal is a review afterwards so she can get started here..
Just curious what others think.. I'm usually very hesitant to TOFTT.. but I trust my ATF.. a lot.. and I understand her concern for her friend.. originally we were going to do a double as the first time, but child care issues caused that to not happen.. as my ATF said.. I trust you to be good to her..
No idea what your post was supposed to mean.. sorry..
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a compliment that your ATF thinks of you first, as a gentleman and friend.
I've done this a few times, and never been disappointed.
I've also never been asked, directly or indirectly, to write a particularly good review. Simply to write an honest one.
I say go for it, and just maintain your integrity and honesty when you review
My first time I was so nervous! I don't think there is anything that can prepare you for your first appointment. I read every review I could find trying to get a sense of what to do and what not to do, but still, I was freaking out.
Luckily my first client was a gentleman who enjoyed helping girls get started in the business and had experience with first-timers and a lot of patience. He booked me for 2 hours and we shared champagne and a jacuzzi bath...the experience was overwhelmingly positive. He led the session and talked to me about the business. This got my new life as a provider off to a great start!
A friend of mine who owns an agency also hand-picks clients when he has new girls starting. He wants the girls to have positive experiences with gentlemen that will respect their inexperience before throwing them to the masses.
I think it is really a great idea for you to do this for your ATF's friend. You sound like you have her best interests at heart and will take good care of her. This way she can have a positive first experience instead of potentially ending up with some creeper.
My only concern would be whether your ATF might get jealous if you have a great time with the friend. If it does turn out to be fantastic, I wouldn't go on too much about it. Oh and hopefully you gave your ATF a really good review because you don't want the new girl's review to be better.
Luckily my first client was a gentleman who enjoyed helping girls get started in the business and had experience with first-timers and a lot of patience. He booked me for 2 hours and we shared champagne and a jacuzzi bath...the experience was overwhelmingly positive. He led the session and talked to me about the business. This got my new life as a provider off to a great start!
A friend of mine who owns an agency also hand-picks clients when he has new girls starting. He wants the girls to have positive experiences with gentlemen that will respect their inexperience before throwing them to the masses.
I think it is really a great idea for you to do this for your ATF's friend. You sound like you have her best interests at heart and will take good care of her. This way she can have a positive first experience instead of potentially ending up with some creeper.
My only concern would be whether your ATF might get jealous if you have a great time with the friend. If it does turn out to be fantastic, I wouldn't go on too much about it. Oh and hopefully you gave your ATF a really good review because you don't want the new girl's review to be better.
Or did you wait until he was in the room.
If the former, how did you handle that?
I actually posted on a local message board that I was looking to get into the business and I had some questions/was looking for advice. Some gentlemen reached out to me, offering to be my first, and this client seemed the nicest of the bunch. So yes, he definitely knew he was my first client.
Interesting hobby offers rarely play out the way one fantasizes them. You're probably thinking two hot atfs, doubles, and what not. I agree with happy go lucky. The last time an atf recommended someone to me, the new lady became the atf, and the first lady was never seen again. Like hgl said, this might be p4p, but the ladies can become jealous nonetheless. And two best friends sounds like trouble.
One other thought. Rather than her first session being with A #1 client, maybe the newbie provider might want to session with Riff or Raff to get a true feeling for what the hobby is really like. I'll never forget what one atf told me years ago. That every time a new client knocked on her door it was sheer torture.
Good luck! You've got a wide variety of differing advice. This one is on you.
is this even a question lol? go for it!