TER General Board

I think there will be price movement . . . .
skarphedin 5264 reads
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1 / 73

Never been a high dollar hooker guy myself, but I do go into the 6-700 dollar range occasionally. But now? No way. Too much risk of an unsatisfying time. I gotta think others are realizing the same. And this has to result in downward pressure on pussy pricing power.

Nutbar 110 reads
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skarphedin 136 reads
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Drumguy25 23 Reviews 115 reads
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4 / 73

But, with no reviews, some ladies could start to offer less, or become much more ymmv...you can't review...so outside of " actual" word of mouth....what incentive would a lady have to try to perform at a high level?  With no reviews....a client can't rave...or rant.

skarphedin 136 reads
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5 / 73
sabyrfox 3 Reviews 118 reads
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6 / 73

I read an article / blog about how services like DFK, DATY & BBBJ weren’t common with escorts several years ago, but became necessary to compete with providers on BP.  I wonder what the future holds? Higher prices due to higher risk? Lower prices due to lack of demand? Fewer services because who will know? More services to land a repeat customer?

AngelinaDDD See my TER Reviews 129 reads
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7 / 73

Fosta will probably bring the price up, not down.  Demand is still great, but supply will be limited. IMHO. But what do I know.  LOL

breannabreeze See my TER Reviews 119 reads
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8 / 73

The divide will be greater than ever.  I have recieved more inquiries in the past week than I have in months.  Lack of advertising creates a lower supply which in return will cause rates to rise for those of us still on the map.  Those with options will retire, those who relied on BP will freestyle or take to the streets.  Nice try though...

TurbayVeronica See my TER Reviews 129 reads
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9 / 73
GaGambler 123 reads
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10 / 73

GFE predates Backpage by several years. I have been around P4P for well over 40 years, Backpage only started in 2004 and was hardly a force in the industry until many years later following the demise of Craig's List.  

 
As for what the future holds, I have been with hookers all over the world,  both in countries where it was legal and where it was not. The thing I have found about prices is that it's more of a factor of cost of living and prevailing wages in the region much more so that it is based on whether or not it's legal.

 
Take for example the many "fly over" parts of the country who have NEVER had any TER reviewed providers and have very few hookers of any kind. By the line of reasoning being propagated by the many soon to be out of work hookers here, you would think that the hookers that do service these little hodunk towns would be able to charge as much as they want, but the truth of the matter is the exact opposite, the women who work in these small towns can only command a fraction of what their big city sisters are able to get. Personally, I don't see any huge spike in provider rates to happen anytime soon. I think that if anything rates are going to come down because guys "want" pussy, women "need" to pay the rent.  Not to mention the fact that there are already a million or so Sugar Baby's out there who only charge a fraction of what hookers get.  

 
Please don't get me wrong. I am not celebrating the fact the many women are about to have their livelihoods stripped away from them, I am just stating some cold hard facts based on several decades of being around hookers and johns in dozens of states and an almost equal number of countries.

GiGiAmour See my TER Reviews 122 reads
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11 / 73

I have Photographed my TER Profile and My Reviews and I share the Reviews with "Prospective Clients." I Earned these Reviews and I Will Use Them! Someone Needs to create a "Companion App" for the smart phone with built in Reviews so its Easily Accessible for someone to "Find a Friend" to share time with. My .02 cents!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 96 reads
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12 / 73

in BOTH directions.   Top-tier girls will increase only because they will be harder to find given the limited advertising options.  Second and third tier girls will move down in price because they will have to pay more for advertising by using multiple resources, rather than just one place like CV or BP.  They need to bring new customers into the market with attractive pricing.  Most of us started with lower-priced girls and then moved upmarket as we learned about the different levels of hookers and getting a better experience for a higher price.

heather_heavenly See my TER Reviews 91 reads
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13 / 73

Exactly, what would we have to gain by offering lessor quality service.  I get that some providers are average at best but the one who do enjoy it and actually care about what they do will continue to do well, regardless.

Duplicitouslust 24 Reviews 111 reads
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14 / 73

Breanna,
I notice that you are on switter. With that said have you made contacts with potential suitors that you otherwise wouldn't have gotten in contact with?  Would you say that social media is going to be critical in how you market and reach your client base?

GaGambler 99 reads
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15 / 73

I guess I did start with "lower priced girls" but that was because my first hooker was only five bucks, it's kind of hard to go "down" from there. Although I did see a 7 dollar whore house in Ecuador some forty years after my first hooker in TJ, and I suppose that "adjusted for inflation" seven bucks in the 21 century is a LOT cheaper than five bucks way back in 1974. lol

 
That said, you and i hardly patronize the upper end of the hooker spectrum. You most likely  give your K-Girls in So Cal around $600 for a two hour session and there are loads of women getting at least that much per hour in your neck of the woods. So unless you started off with BP ho's you have hardly moved "up market" price wise.

 
Now I do agree that the price movement will most likely move both ways. I think the typical indy charging $3-500 an hour who has been relying on the review sites and escort malls and who doesn't have a solid base of regulars is by necessity going to have to lower her rates just to make the rent. I also agree that the "top tier" girls who have a bunch of regulars accustomed to paying their high rates are likely to have even better "pricing power" as many of their regulars aren't going to be willing to try out an unknown girl in this environment. As for your K-Girls, they can't drop their prices more than a negligible amount as they would be able to cover costs if they drop much lower. I think if anything the K-Girls are going to raise their prices and I think there are more than enough fan boys who are already screened and well known customers to support a perhaps reduced slate of girls.

 
I do believe the women claiming that lack of "supply" is going to lead to higher rates are delusional and the average hooker is going to have to reduce her rates, not raise them if and when "all" the ad venues disappear.

client_number_9 122 reads
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16 / 73

Posted By: GaGambler

   
   
 As for what the future holds, I have been with hookers all over the world,  both in countries where it was legal and where it was not. The thing I have found about prices is that it's more of a factor of cost of living and prevailing wages in the region much more so that it is based on whether or not it's legal.  
   
 
Dunno about that. Example - Zurich is a top 5 most expensive city and you can get laid by a hard 10 (not a TER 10 lol) anywhere in the city for €200. Ditto any metro area in Germany, Austria, or Spain. For what you would pay a U.S. hooker for an overnight you can get a business class ticket to Frankfurt, decent accommodations for a long weekend, and an all-you-can-fuck smorgasbord of Eastern European models for the duration. American hookers are the most expensive in the world, and if they think they can increase their already absurd rates into the teeth of this thing more power to them, I suppose. I’ll stick with my regular visits to the EU thank you very much, and be 100% in the sugar bowl when in CONUS.

discretionist 106 reads
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17 / 73

I think you are right that the supply pool will decrease.
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But I think that the demand pool will also decrease. Of course there will always be sex addicts, but I think clients like myself who only have a session occasionally and joined the scene because it was such a low barrier of entry (all I really needed was a new gmail account and TER account to get started), will start exiting the demand pool.
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Also, with it no longer being an internet friendly scene, I doubt younger internet-centric prospective clients will replenish the demand pool at the same rate. If I was a newbie today there is no way I'd even think about getting involved. Way too much uncertainty and risk. I'd stick to online dating. Just my 2 cents.

breannabreeze See my TER Reviews 135 reads
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18 / 73

Social media is where 100% of my clients have come from for the past year so yes.  I haven't utilized TER or any other advertising site for a while.

VincenzoG91 5 Reviews 110 reads
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19 / 73

I agree that in the short run, price movement will move both ways. A provider with a good established reputation from review boards and a bunch of regulars can keep charging her current rates or even more, at least for a while. A more average provider with some reviews and a limited number of regulars is going to need to lower her prices to compete with the large number of new and/or un-reviewed providers. A nice website probably helps, but nobody will find it without sorting through ads first. And my searches today indicate that there are still a lot of ad sites out there. Nice pictures in the ads also help, but now there won't be a website that will verify those pictures are representative of the actual provider.

From the customer standpoint, some guys never cared a lot about quality and were just looking for affordability. Some guys did care about quality, and were willing to pay extra for a provider with good reviews. Take away the reviews, and all that is left to go by is pictures and price. And I predict that there will be more swiping of pictures by providers, without reviews to point out the dishonest pics.

With in a couple of years, most high-end providers will be forced to compete directly on price. Their past reputation will be forgotten by the guys who were mainly interested in variety or price, and they won't be getting any new reviews. Even many of the regulars will move on. Some age out of the hobby, or move away, or look for younger providers. I think I read a post here once to the effect that the typical "regular" was good for maybe four more visits than a done-in-one guy. Even the TER-haters on Twitter will eventually miss this site, except for the worst providers and the really BSC ones.

Oldtimemonger 122 reads
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20 / 73

That works both ways. I have started to hear from girls I have not seen in over a year. All are offering "specials." I sure as hell know it's not because I'm young and handsome.

There will always be desperate new girls entering the business as a last resort to avoid homelessness. There are no longer any easy advertising boards for those types. Some will turn out to be ROBs but others will offer MORE for way less than the established girls.  

If you've read my posts you know I'm no cheapskate that shops on the low end. Until something changes to get ads and reviews back to normal prices for most girls will almost certainly drop the same way they did during the great recession.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 121 reads
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21 / 73

where FS back then was $120-140 (there are still some today at $160) with MILFY, unshaven, Chinese and Thai girls (BBBJ was $60-80 including the "house" fee of $40).  Kgirls were definitely a step UP for me.  For many years the price here was $250-260/hr, and $300 when I'm in Vegas.  Now, about a quarter of the girls in SoCal are in the $270-300/range.  Independent Asian girls raised in the US are the same as Caucasian Indies, averaging $5-600/hr locally.  (Examples are Lisa Lang and Mia Hug).  I only see about six to eight Caucasian girls a year, so I DO pay more for those, but you are correct, the bulk of my hobbying is in the range you suggest.  

 
Most SoCal guys are now $50 tippers on the hour, according to the girls, so the girl gets $200 out of the $300 collected.   As you pointed out recently, it takes volume for them to succeed.  Most like at least six tricks a day.  I talked to one of the top girls in LA this morning and she said she is doing okay but has not been fully booked any day since CV went down.  She's going to raise her rate to $300, like some of the others already have, to make up the shortfall.  

 
I was happy to note that when you saw the $5 hooker, you DIDN'T try to negotiate her price down like some would have . . . . . or did you?  Lol

ChristineGFE See my TER Reviews 109 reads
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22 / 73

My personal opinion is going to be a lot of experimenting for both providers and clients to find the "new niche".  

 
Right now thanking god I don't have to work. That be said I will miss the extra money but not enough to lower my fees. However what I will miss is no strings fucking. So much safer play with a client I know is going to be on plane next day.  

 
So now I will need to actually advertise. I guess rephrase because means i will have actually pay to advertise. I will not try be on 10 different sites and keep up that crap. I will continue try switter but it needs better organization and to be more granular.  

 
I think most are right, pricing will depend on many things. However the one variable that is really not variable is how long can providers stay financially strong before they resort to price reduction specials just to feed them family. I would bet that most but not all yet a big percentage have less than 90 days saving before they are in real trouble. Sadden me to say it will be many of those who never saved much to make reduction in price, and yet that wont help many. If they not smart enough to save then I think this business just get to complicated for them to compete. When that happens there will still be alternatives. Just be limiting. I bet you don't see so many red bottom shoes walking down street in Vegas and LA in near future.

 
We will see many casualties, those that have substance issues will be the first go. Those who cannot adapt will be next. But in the end, it will all reach equilibrium

 
Just my thought

Christine,

Chloe_C See my TER Reviews 107 reads
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23 / 73

...no the price will either stay or increase-I anticipate supply for higher-end providers will decrease simply because it isn't worth it anymore and a number of them have exit plans and careers.

I'd try to get grandfathered in for some of your ATFs and hope for the best.

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 86 reads
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24 / 73

That's exactly why I started out with " Not saying this will happen."
Yes...any lady who cares about maintaining or building her brand would not do this.
But lower end girls " could" with little fear of " word getting out". The bigger uncertainty for clients is the rip offs or scams. They will now have no idea what they're walking in to, and no way to warn others of anything not on the level.
Of course this works both ways...
As of now P411 is still a solid way for both sides to make the magic happen. Really hope they don't fold under scrutiny.  
Before all this...I knew a few providers who really cared about every detail of their reviews. That care no longer exists, as it stands currently.

GaGambler 156 reads
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25 / 73

I was fifteen, I had a full bottle of tequila in me and there was a full eclipse of the moon that night, something that "should" have been quite memorable, but the tequila (actually mescal) took care of most of the brain cells tasked with memory that night. You will also be pleased to hear I didn't try to negotiate in the 7 dollar whore house I found myself in while I was in Ecuador, quite the contrary, I made very sure to keep my dick in my pants and I only had a bottle of beer that I insisted on opening myself and even though I had to piss, I absolutely refused to enter the "bano"  I am sure there were diseases floating around in that place that haven't even been named yet.

 
and yes, the Asian girl business model depends on a MINIMUM of 4-5 clients a day, or at least 4-5 paid hours regardless of number of customers. That's why I don't see any of them lowering their rates, they simply can't lower rates enough to gain any significant volume and all it would mean is that they would make less money

souls_harbor 126 reads
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26 / 73

I can see all the reviews I wrote. So if you can remember which gents you've seen, you should be able to ask them to send you a copy, since they can access the ones they wrote.

Vivian Vanderbuilt See my TER Reviews 129 reads
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27 / 73

Switter is awesome. Reconnecting with old friends , and making new ones.  I personally haven’t had to change anything in my life but feel for some of the others that are hurting. Interesting shift in times.  
Twitter: @DameVivianVanderbuilt
Switter: @DameVivianVanderbuilt

TurbayVeronica See my TER Reviews 127 reads
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28 / 73

do not post them... bc if TER comes back *hopefully* they would banned you for posting those reviews.

skarphedin 137 reads
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31 / 73
skarphedin 114 reads
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33 / 73

And I think that was lots of streetwalkers, almost no middle class hookers and a small group of "elite" hookers in the big cities. And the elite ones didn't make 1k an hour back in the day.

skarphedin 121 reads
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34 / 73

This is a terrible development. It is worse on every level: worse for us and worse for the hookers and worse for society in general.

Lifeuniverseandeverything 144 reads
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35 / 73

So their reviews are available.
Wondering how they get that from TER?

breannabreeze See my TER Reviews 112 reads
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36 / 73

Many of those with the highest rates delisted off TER already.  As for advertising?  I haven't advertised in a year, I have been just screwing around on Twitter and getting bookings some how.  Go figure.

HaleyOrlando See my TER Reviews 103 reads
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37 / 73

I have had numerous old friends contact me that have been history for some time. Their afraid to reach out to someone new with the many dramatic changes to the industry and the internet. I am busy this week with nothing but old regulars and current ones. The backpage girls will find their way back to advertise and most likely won't be as busy. Guys are just as shell shocked as we providers.  

 
I use TER to screen ladies who ask for references or ones giving me a reference just as much as checking the whitelist or the gentleman's writing style. I am very uncomfortable seeing new people now. I'm sure there will be less ladies who are reputable available to quench their sweet tooth.  

 
Kisses Haley

SAMMYINLA 2 Reviews 112 reads
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There are simply going to be less transactions. Whether or not prices go up or down, the number of transactions are going to go lower. The internet has made it SUPER convenient for people to hook up, especially if you are looking for it NOW or with very little notice. If I ever got the urge, I would just hop onto CV, see who is currently available, look up the reviews on TER and pick my best match. That convenience is now GONE.  

Sure, we will probably see more traffic on the streets, in the strip clubs (especially ones that allow FS), and of course Vegas hotel lobbies (and probably more hotels, etc around any town)! In general though, since the internet convenience is gone, it's way harder to see who is available, where they are and if they are confirmed as a reliable/fun source. Previously, at almost any time of day I could find companionship - not anymore. Without this convenience, it will also definitely be more dangerous for hobbyists and providers too. This totally sucks. We need to find a solution...

CharleneLove See my TER Reviews 88 reads
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39 / 73

I was a true GFE before reviews boards where invented.
Am I going to change my sexxxy ways? Absolutely not!!
In my opinion many ladies will up their game in hopes to make you; theirs!

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 99 reads
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40 / 73

in SoCal where I am.  Providers are telling me that their regulars are still coming but not many inquiries from new customers. Because of the lack of new customers many are scaling back the number of days/hours they work.  One of my regulars has gone from four days a week to three because its only regulars booking.   Makes total sense because of lack of reviews and some ad sites down.  Many that advertised on CV and a few smaller sites are working on their own websites now to take up the slack.  

Crazy Diamond 12 Reviews 113 reads
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:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)    Great as this is, there are over a half dozen others who also have been friends for almost or a full decade plus, and a few more recently.  Plus that, the door is always open to new ladies joining if they appeal to me, and likewise on their part.  Life is good if you know/learn how to hobby!    

Katherine_Taylor See my TER Reviews 151 reads
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I'm not  lowering them. If you gents think I'm not worth it.. Oh well, There is way to much demand out there now going to only certain streams. Since a lot of sites have closed down I've actually gotten more emails. But just because the added pressure of the reviews are gone, doesn't mean I won't be doing my best. Due to this regulars are going to become a bit more steady as they won't want to take a chance on bad providers.  Anyways, if you guys are interested I also created an underground newsletter of the Top 100 ladies of each city. Every month it gets sent to your protonmail. D.M. or email me for details. I got everyones emails before the reviews went down and formed it in response to the Ads being gone.

Oh. final thoughts. Give us girls a break. Trying to bargain down on our prices after all this stress and pressure that we are under since this law Is very uncouth.  

Cossette

AngelinaDDD See my TER Reviews 132 reads
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44 / 73

Thank you. It is as though leeches want to suck the life blood out of ladies who are going through hard times. Ugly side to everyone, I guess

NYminute 122 reads
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45 / 73

factor in ANY business is; "supply VS demand."  

 
From a "provider's" perspective, the cost of her services could be affected adversely when she has very limited options and the pressure of bills to pay or vice versa.  She may have other sources of income which could mitigate this effect or a very loyal, expansive client list (supply) which precludes her options from being limited.

 
From a "client's" perspective.  He would either be willing to pay more when faced with limited options, withdraw from the marketplace, or get a girlfriend.  Yet he too, may have a very expansive list of "providers" which gives him a variety of alternatives (supply).

 
TER has been an extremely valuable source for both.  Yet, resourceful "providers" and "clients" have probably compiled a very healthy contact list and in all likelihood will continue to their activities unabated.

breannabreeze See my TER Reviews 109 reads
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46 / 73

I dont disagree that for a certain group of providers rates will drop. ...Likely the new ones or ones without a lot of regulars.  I am not part of that group.  I have been in my area and have seen enough people over the years for people to start googling my name to find ways to contact me when all advertising goes down.

GaGambler 268 reads
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47 / 73

Switzerland and much of Europe have a huge influx of Eastern European women working cheaper than the locals too.

 
I do agree that American hookers are amongst the highest paid in the world and that anyone willing to hop a plane to either Europe, Asia or Central/South America (and I suppose Africa, but I have no first hand or even anecdotal knowledge because of the heightened risk of disease) can get women that put the typical $500+ hr American girls to shame in the looks department for a fraction of the cost here.

 
That said, I have found no reason to pay the $500+hr rates that have become so common here in the states even while at home. I am not saying these women aren't "worth" it, who am I to say what a person is worth, but I can't remember the last time I paid over $300 hr. There are simply so many women, great looking and great performing women I might add, at that price point, I simply don't see any reason to pay more. I suppose I might be singing a different tune if I lived in someplace like NYC, but I don't live in NYC. lol

DogerRanger 107 reads
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48 / 73

I believe this is a wee bit self-serving, coming from a hooker whose starting rate is $600US. Most hobbyists are well-served in the $300-$400 (tops) range. Sounds like propaganda and fear peddling to me.

eastside70 42 Reviews 118 reads
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49 / 73

Same here. I have 5 multi-hour dates scheduled with my favorite lady through September. Some when she comes to town and me driving to her for the others.

skarphedin 100 reads
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skarphedin 138 reads
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51 / 73

Second, it is entirely possible for you and others to maintain whatever rate you charge (and I hope you do) and the overall prices charged drop. Your personal experience does not equal everyone.  

My point was simply that most men when faced with a 700 hooker who has no or a few curated reviews and a 300 hooker with the same will opt for the lower priced hooker in an effort to limit downside risk. This enacted across the industry will lead to lower overall rates.  

I wasn't gloating.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 102 reads
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52 / 73

Those reviews are the property of TER, not her.  The guys that wrote them were "compensated" with VIP days.  It was a legally binding transfer of ownership of the reviews for valid consideration.  If she publishes them somewhere else, she may be liable to TER for stealing and profiting from their intellectual property.  I think at the very least, it would be good cause for banishment.  

souls_harbor 135 reads
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53 / 73

I recall many provider web sites quote from TER reviews. They also have links to TER.  I haven't been around enough to know if TER objects, but it seems mutually beneficial.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 152 reads
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54 / 73

as republishing copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder.  If TER chooses to allow links, that's up to them, but they are still in control of the content they purchased from the reviewers.  In this case, TER has chosen to HIDE their content within the US, content which THEY own.  Doing anything to circumvent the blackout may be considered a copyright infringement, IMO.  

 
Try any of the links that WERE FORMERLY allowable right now and see where it gets you.  Republishing by copy and paste without using the link could arguably be considered a theft of intellectual property from the owner.

impposter 49 Reviews 201 reads
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55 / 73

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Republishing by copy and paste without using the link could arguably be considered a theft of intellectual property from the owner.
SELECTIVE quoting to promote a business is acceptable in some cases as "fair use."  
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/four-factors/
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Movie ads are allowed to quote from copyrighted move reviews. You just have to be careful.
Selected quote: "A wonderful movie for all."  
Full quote: "A wonderful movie for all who are masochists and want 112 minutes of boring dialog, a nonsensical plot, and acting that will make you cringe."
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Selected quote: "She is a wonderful, smart, beautiful treasure of pleasure."
Full quote: "I wanted to see Mary because she is a wonderful, smart, beautiful treasure of pleasure but she wasn't available and I ended up with her roommate, who is a terrible, ugly, stupid box of discord."  
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I claim Fair Use of this image which belongs to these guys http://www.resourcesforlife.com/docs/item6247 :

souls_harbor 104 reads
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56 / 73

Beyond even fair use, a single gal's reviews are of little benefit to the hobbyist compared to finding the treasurer trove of reviews at TER. That's why if TER had half a marketing brain, they would encourage quoting rather than squelch it, given their other limited advertising avenues.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 121 reads
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57 / 73

I think what this provider has in mind in using the whole TER review in her advertising during a time when TER is not authorizing access doesn't qualify as "fair use" by this standard that you have found.  Even one of the elements are enough to disqualify use, but in this case, there is more than one.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 114 reads
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58 / 73

comes in the form of the consideration (in the form of VIP membership days) from TER for his assignment of his ownership rights in the review as the author.  TER's benefit comes from the paid VIP user fees they get from hobbyists paying to read the content of the reviews THEY HAVE PURCHASED AND NOW OWN OUTRIGHT.  (The consideration is no less valuable because it was in the form of a "barter" rather than a cash payment - the seller agreed that it was equivalent value when he accepted the trade o VIP days for his review content.) There may be a collateral benefit to providers from being the subject of the review (such as there is from a book about a public figure who then may garner speaking fees from the publicity the book affords him/her)), but the subject of the review usually can't assert any ownership interest of her own over the content, so TER receives nothing from the provider in the way of compensation for he ruse of the copyrighted material (but nevertheless has allowed links to the reviews in the past as a way to draw attention to the TER website), and THIS is where there may be an infringement issue if she republishes the review somewhere else, whether or not she were to make a claim that TER receives some vicarious benefit as well. Its still without the copyright holder's permission, and beyond the scope of "fair use" as demonstrated by Imposter's post.  

ChristineGFE See my TER Reviews 109 reads
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59 / 73

Honest do you think TER is make a dime to sue for that, worst case she get booted off.  

Christine

breannabreeze See my TER Reviews 126 reads
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60 / 73

Charging 700 in the Carolinas is impossible, but it is what I charge in NYC and have a 2 hour min locally so yes I may somewhat be included in your assessment.  

Second of all, at least half the ladies I have seen that charge 700+ have delisted.  Their continued success kind of makes your point moot.  There are many wealthy clients for whom 700 wouldn't be much to lose if they had a bad time.

souls_harbor 106 reads
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Wrong. There is no promise of exclusivity. I could send the same review to hundreds of review sites, including directly to the provider. TER owns their copy, meaning they can display it or not as they wish. They have no control over my copies.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 108 reads
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62 / 73

There IS a contract of exclusivity.  Here is paragraph 16 of  review submission . . . .

 
"By providing us with content or posting content, including reviews, you assign to The Erotic Review all intellectual property rights you have in the content. This assignment includes, but is not limited to, all rights of copyright in the content you post and in all derivative works, and to any and all causes of action accrued or accruing for infringement of the copyright in the content. Further, to the fullest extent permitted under applicable law, you waive your moral rights and promise not to assert such rights against The Erotic Review, its sublicensees or assignees. You represent and warrant that none of the following infringe any intellectual property right: your provision of content to The Erotic Review, your posting of content using this website, and The Erotic Review’s use of such content (including of works derived from it). You also represent and warrant that the content you post on The Erotic Review has not and will not be posted anywhere else by you. We are not obligated to post any review and we reserve the right not to credit, or to remove credit from writers of reviews we do not post or cancel later."

 
Once you submit your review to TER, you are agreeing the review is their property.   You are specifically agreeing not to post it anywhere else.  If someone can access the same review a hundred other places as you propose then why would TER agree to give value in exchange.  Why not just lift it themselves from another site that has no contractual language governing reviews?  Then they don't have to give the VIP days.  I would argue that in submitting it to TER (and thereby agreeing to their terms and conditions), and then submitting  it elsewhere would be fraud and breach of the written contract governing reviews.  You would be scamming TER out of VIP days by representing you are giving them something of value, and then turning around and taking away the value after the fact, making the consideration they received for their VIP days worthless.  Its a classic example of a fraudulent scheme using an intellectual property.  The closest analogy I can think of off hand is a case that was in the news a few years ago, where a wine expert presented a particular bottle of wine at an auction as the last of its kind.  As expected, it brought a hugely inflated price, and then afterward lost most of its value when it was learned he really had two cases of the wine, not one bottle.  This is what you would be doing with your review, i.e., taking away the value of the review AFTER you have already accepted the consideration under the posted rules.  That's fraud and breach of contract.    

-- Modified on 4/13/2018 4:46:00 PM

JasmineisaRiot See my TER Reviews 132 reads
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63 / 73

C'mon! Give the younger generation some credit.  

Internet censorship exists all over the globe and it is young people hacking through the barriers get to what they want. My fear is not for the younger generation, my fear is for the older.  

Now don't get me wrong. I know y'all are "whippersnapper xx years young at heart" etc but I really genuinely am concerned that my older clients won't have the patience to figure out VPNs and Mastodon and whatever new thing comes up.  The younger clients? Will be on top of it!  

And if the younger clients won't even know that review existed at one point in time, will it matter to them that it won't exist now? Did y'all not go and buy pussy before the era of reviews?  

Sex work has existed for goodness knows how long. Not for nothing are people fucking each other on India's temples.  

People will always sell sex and people will always buy sex. And they'll figure out how to signal to each other that they are ready to change $$ for it too.

DT_lover 188 Reviews 116 reads
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64 / 73

I have plenty of girls to repeat with, and have my verifications in place for my long list of girls I wish to see.  Have already read their reviews.  Will not be venturing to see new woman without reviews, except through agencies where I already have a relationship.

I'm counting on the younger generation to find work arounds.  There will be plenty of online entrepeneurs I'm sure.

souls_harbor 126 reads
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65 / 73

My age is mid 60's. I had VPN up and running within hours of TER blocking USA IP addresses.

skarphedin 109 reads
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66 / 73

Look. Women who have a large regular client base are in the short and perhaps even medium term immune from the downward pressure on prices I mentioned. They have the option of either not seeing or relying on only the odd new customer for a while. Whereas women in that range who do not have the regulars are going to face the problem I posted about. And in the long term, they all will because regulars don't last forever as you know.  

PS. There aren't enough guys willing to burn 700 bucks on a whim to support all the hookers w/o avail reviews who charge +700 bucks. And if your belief that those rates won't be pressured to drop because there are enough of those guys and they can be either easily found or kept as regulars... well, good luck.

SamanthaKillington See my TER Reviews 109 reads
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67 / 73

if you still have access.  SK

discretionist 137 reads
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68 / 73

I'm a older millennial, but still a millennial nonetheless. I'm not sure people actually appreciate how important an internet-friendly low barrier of entry is for younger clients (and providers too I'm sure). That's now gone. Of course some will figure out how to get started in this scene, but I really think most will just forgo this kind of stuff for online dating or strip club VIP rooms. Path of least resistance.

John_Laroche 126 reads
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69 / 73

I totally agree that this is what made the online P4P flourish. It has little to do with how tech savvy a millennial is vs. a baby boomer.  

 
I never bothered with VPN or TOR before, but now that I use them, there's little content. If it wasn't for Senator Blutarsky's pics, there's be little reason to log on here.  If I was a newbie, I'd have nowhere to go to establish any comfort level about a P4P decision.  Virtually every new encounter would be TOFTT.

 
I don't see the situation changing for the better any time soon, so it will be interesting to see how providers respond 3-6 months down the road.

Stormy See my TER Reviews 111 reads
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70 / 73

I'm not "on sale"...

Related Link: https://preferred411.com/P23422

VincenzoG91 5 Reviews 118 reads
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72 / 73

You don't have any rates at that site. Nice pictures, but without reviews, you can only compete for new business based on your pictures and your rates. And your pictures could be photoshopped or even swiped from another provider. Be nice to your regulars, because they might be the majority of your business for now.

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 109 reads
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73 / 73

Look at You! I don't blame you!  
I wouldn't presume, expect, nor ask any lady to drop her rate. If it's beyond my means...then it's just an experience I'll have to miss. Such is life.... you can have a little, but you can't have it all. Those who could have it all....dont appreciate it. Not truly anyway.
My opinion: Any who do drop their rates, probably ought to revisit their standard of service. This whole thing is not to be used to prey on weakness from either side. The worst of it is not being able to see all the possibilities that we've grown accustomed to having at our fingertips.  
Now....effort will be required, and a good bit of luck.

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