Curious as to what gentlemen think if they saw the provider they're interested in posing with a male model (body only) for the sake and beauty in the 'art' of the photography being shot......
Is it a turn on, turn off or indifferent? He's essentially a 'prop' in the background but can be a really beautiful one if done correctly. Of course to the gorgeous women here, I hope you chime in as always, that goes without saying. To those who don't 'normally' post, hearing from you would be greatly appreciated. This thread shouldn't cause any craziness. Shouldn't anyway lol (fingers crossed).And I've seen a few others using males as a prop, with the woman draped sexily over him. Personally, I like to see that.
There's a reason guys get turned on by porn, watching other guys do a girl even though the voyer is hetero.
Theres some speculation on why these porn are preferred over purely self scenes and I read somewhere it's liklydue to creating a sense of competition that turns a guy on. Which ever the reason, irony is that guys will say that they prefer not to see another guys, but in really that's what they are seeing when watching boy girl scene rather than girl only or girl girl.
her lips wrapped around a big cock giving a BBBJ. Obviously, you can't distinguish who the male is.
I'm talking gorgeous photos of two bods...nothing sexual in nature in that way. Art.
Doesn't it?
The composition and the lighting make for a very effective and erotic feel.
Don't be lettin' your mind enter the gutter LOL even in P4P world people.
But yes, this is what I'm talking about, so thank you Mr. Fisher. 
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It's an erotic and beautiful photo. If it were on your website as a "flavor" shot for, say, your introduction page, that would work. If you put it in your gallery, that would be okay, but I'd likely just glance at it and then move on, as I'd be wanting to see photos that tell me what you look like, not what some anonymous guy looks like.
Having guy in a photo isn't threatening. It's a distraction at best, when you want to have the focus on you. Ford could have an ad showing their Mustang alongside a Camaro. It would be a natural pairing, and could be a beautiful photo. They won't do it, though, as they want people to look at the Mustang, not the Camaro.
We know you ladies see other guys. That's part of the whole deal. If we see another guy, though, the first reaction is to tell him to get the fuck outta here.
anyone else. 'He' is a hired prop and that is all, simply adding to the effect of eroticism to perhaps make 'her' stand out more. Skin on skin is a beautiful thing, at least that's how I see it. But we all know I go against the grain on EVERYTHING as far as how I 'see' things here lol. But yes, you are correct Springer, you look at it, and aren't threatened by it in the least, it's simply a beautiful image to 'enhance' a site that is perhaps a bit of a different approach. Doesn't mean 'hes' offered in anything other than just what it is....the composition of a photograph.
Maybe this is a bit too conceptual and artsy for this crowd. How bout I just do it and you can judge for yourselves lol. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. Haven't decided yet LOL.
And, I can only speak for myself that I don't 'see' or 'date' outside of this realm and haven't for about a year now. But that's my choice which is why I enjoy spending time with the gents I do get to see, very fulfilling on all fronts for me and I can only hope for them too.
Maybe this is a bit too conceptual and artsy for this crowd. How bout I just do it and you can judge for yourselves lol. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. Haven't decided yet LOL.
And, I can only speak for myself that I don't 'see' or 'date' outside of this realm and haven't for about a year now. But that's my choice which is why I enjoy spending time with the gents I do get to see, very fulfilling on all fronts for me and I can only hope for them too.
Why not just arty photos of yourself? That would work well.
Believe me, I know how frustrating it is to believe in something, ask about it on a forum, and have everyone tell me I'm wrong. I also get stubborn, try to argue, and just dig the hole deeper.
Do you ever have any ideas that help your business?
From posting BSC on here, to demanding pics of guys b4 you meet in a paranoid, p4p illegal biz, to now bringing dudes into your photo shoots. Ugh...
Leave the pics of all the bros on your wall or your i-phone and stop trying to re-invent the fkin wheel. Right now, you have ONE pic on your TER profile and that's from p411.
If you want some guys hereto pay attention to your drivel and you want models...here's a hint...GET SOME FEMALE ONES...maybe you missed the memo but GUYS LOVE LESBIANS....hot, sweaty, gooey, lipstick LESBIANS...so add that to your massive photo collection of ONE b4 you start going down this bizarre road.
To get with his guy, all the babes need to do is show me some hot, hi-res photos (and just to piss WB off, blur the face), show me you give a fk about your clients by having great reviews and show me a reasonable rate, THEN we can talk.
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Come on Jack, you know me better than this by now. If it means my 'controversial' and 'outspoken' ways lose more business for me, well then, so be it lol. But I'm doing it my way. I gotta do what I gotta do. I think it's visually stunning. For those who don't 'get' the concept, well then they have 1000 other girls to choose from. For those who do, perhaps it'll attract a different clientele all together. I'm game to find out. Why not. Business is a gamble, and I like to gamble. Obviously lol.
Btw, I don't want to get with 'this' guy. I got 'my' guys and anyone else who wants to join my lil gravy train. But you gotta 'get it' and my inkling is...you just don't get it Jack. LOL I'm not here to impress 'you' nor sell myself to 'you'. Sorry LOL.
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You asked for opinions, I gave you mine. You see the other guys posting here don't like it either.
Remember your NB melt down when people tried to help you there with your website and you told virtually everyone they were wrong?
But you knew better then and you know better now b/c you are a marketing/advertising wizard.
And I agree, it may a attract a different group of clientele. That group has a name, too. It's called....
"Nobody.
I'm quite certain you'll tell me, not that I'll listen of course. It seems to be working fine for me and others who 'get it'...simple, direct, to the point. What else do you need?
You will always 'knock' what you don't understand. It's ok. I won't hold it against you. Promise. And we can continue to disagree on pretty much just about everything under the sun.
Negative, negative, negative ... Jack.
You mean other than the fact that it's not on your TER profile, not easily found, hard to navigate, a million hot links on the left, ads for Wix all over it, etc etc etc?????????????
It's actually perfect for you though. Both unstable.
exposed to the world, that's easy at the simple click of a button. There's a reason it isn't. That's not rocket science. Perhaps I planned it that way, ya think? And perhaps it's designed a certain way for a reason. I wasn't even accessible here til just a day or two ago. Unless you were a p411 gentleman, you couldn't access my website at all. So....I will conclude you are a p411 guy who just plays with his lil jack-n- the-box handle here for s&g's cause your not man enough to expose who you really are.......it's ok, I understand.
As for the 'links' not sure what you mean there on the left. Nothing shows up on my end, perfectly clean site...maybe update your platform lol. But yes, the wix stuff will be there, no biggie to me, if it bothers you so much, easy fix...don't look. Not sure why you're studying it to death anyway or why you're even on my site to begin with quite honestly LOL.
I just hope and pray to god I'm not saved in your favorites ... not you of all people Jack after all is said and done analyzing my every move on there. That would just not be right, now would it lol. And then I'd have to call you a liar and hypocrite for all the negativity you disperse my way....... that's creepy Jack.
You ask me what's wrong with your website, I tell you, then you wonder why I am on your site? Seriously? Sheez...it takes ZERO short term memory to pull that off.
And yes, I do think you "planned it that way", re: your website and that's the problem. People's advice never mattered to you. You are a control freak, which is fine actually, but just admit it.
It's just funnier when you deny every valid criticism people make of you here so I hope you don't change a thing.
And if you don't want people's responses on a fk board, then I'd recommend you not posting on a fk board.
Not that I want you to stop posting. PLEASE DONT STOP POSTING. PLEASE! PLEASE?
control freak when it comes to 'my' stuff. I do everything in house for a reason. If that's a bad thing, so be it, but I'm in control of it. When it comes to this world, I wouldn't have it any other way. Would you????
I don't deny 'valid' criticism whatsoever. I listen if it's presented intellectually of course. But in the end, I will do whatever I want...yet still. It's hearing people out. Doesn't mean I'm going to change my course of life just because of what someone says. I don't live that way.........do you?
This forum is about expressing opinions. You take some, you lose some. But you listen and read. I'll always do what I want to do, always. That goes for every single business venture I am in. I like being in charge of my 'domain'. I don't see anything wrong with that Jack.
I think WB, Court, Mr Fisher and few others here 'get' what i was trying to convey. It's not a big thing, really. You're just a negative lil boy LOL. Be a man, I'll like you more.
...b/c people had the audacity to disagree with you. Remember that debacle???
You are the little girl who constantly needs to be told everything they do is perfect, and good and smart or you crumble, like you have done numerous times here by "retiring" and pulling your posts and swearing you'd never be back time and time and time again you come running back but you never change, grow, mature or learn.
Tell ya what. Act like a stable person and you will garner respect. Act like a whack-a-do melon and you'll be treated as such.
you've been around my entire career then. Hmmmm, and which one would you be on here? I may have a sneaky suspicion. Probably wrong, but from the few things you've said...I could take a wild guess. (I'm a good guesser btw).
Man up. And you'll gain 'my' respect and not a moment sooner. Then we can have a real conversation, and perhaps I'll listen CS lol. Am I close????? This is like playing 'pop goes the weasel and the weasel go pop' LOL.
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Don't call her Mi....Mi....Min.....Trying so hard! Ouch! Damn! Blood in my mouth!
Come on, my little dumpling! How many guesses have you made about me? All wrong, too. Can't speak for your guesses about others but, well.....
with the ch..ch...chil...Trying so hard! ouch! Damn! No blood in my mouth but still I am BITING my lip on that one.
I'm not talking about you anyway, unless you are Jack too. It's not all about 'you' ya know. I know, crushing isn't it.
Well, excuuuuuuuuse me, Princess! Now that I know the rules I'll try to never do that again. LMAO
I think you read it wrong. I don't make any 'rules' here, this you know and that is funnnnny.
"I'm not talking about you anyway, unless you are Jack too. It's not all about 'you' ya know. I know, crushing isn't it."
Oh, and I forgot to mention: yes, it is all about me.
And yes, I know everything!
And if you'd listen, stop digging and be OPEN to learning something once in awhile, drop your defensive and argumentative shield from time to time, they're just might be hope for you.
Of course the choice is always yours, Ms. Steele.
And I do listen and take notice...to those 'I' choose to. You're just not one of them, Mr. Dunphy or like I said the ol' CS. Am I close???? He was around forever til he 'magically' disappeared. I wonder which one of you is him now, that's all.
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But I'll just suffer for now as you wont listen to common sense.
Now for your other query...it is possible I am whom you think I am...and it's possible, I am not. Time will reveal all, my little love muffin. Patience is a virtue.
Ah, yes, using the nefarious ways of a roguish gent from The Windy City I can conjure myself up in many forms. LOL!
something I do understand. Now, how all the sudden am I a 'love muffin'...are you Inicky46???? Geezk, this is so confusing.
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yours ain't so bad. Mostly looked at the pix. And also see you're using the same rate structure. I think it's wacky, but, hey, if it works for you, fine. Hard to believe it does, but....I have no doubt what your answer will be.
I actually don't check out other girl's websites. I do what I do for me and what works for me and what I give here. I think it's pointless to try to 'copy' someone else. We are all here independently for a reason.
But why is it wacky??? LOL I guarantee you if you knew 'my' story behind the 'wackiness' compared to most girls who may be at the same price point in the city....I have no doubt, you'd be singing a different tune too lol. But I would not expect that from anyone here to remotely understand nor care to, and that's ok. Plus it doesn't matter, we aren't meeting. You're not 'my' demographic LOL. And yes, I'm being funny.
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What's enticing about photos of providers is the idea that I could see myself in the photo with her. I'm next to her. Having a guy in the photo makes it about him and the provider, not the provider and me.
It's the same with porn. I don't want to see any more than the guy's cock. I want to imagine that it's mine in the movie doing whatever (which is why I prefer to see an average size rather than some 10" thing that I know couldn't be mine). If they show the guy, the illusion is ruined.
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"Get outta the way! I wanna see her tits!"
It's the same with porn. I don't want to see any more than the guy's cock. I want to imagine that it's mine in the movie doing whatever (which is why I prefer to see an average size rather than some 10" thing that I know couldn't be mine). If they show the guy, the illusion is ruined.
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...whose website has a video of her sleeping in bed, getting a phone call, arranging a date, getting up, walking in her negligee to the tub, drawing a bath, taking the bath, dressing, driving, and arriving at a house in the middle of the night. A man opens the door, and she says, "Like how I'm dressed?"
It goes on and ends with her helping him take off his sports jacket. Tastefully done, decent cinematography, very sensual, nothing xxx. That works for me. Well, SHE makes me drool, so a video of paint peeling would work for me, but you know what I mean.
How do you think the average trick will feel? He takes one look at stud muffin with a six pack and his winky will shrivel. These guys need to feel they are the stud muffin for an hour or two, not have the truth thrown in their face that you would rather Hottie McHotterson.
secure with themselves won't have an issue with it whatsoever quite honestly. It's a test, we shall see. I think most may be surprised by it. I really didn't expect a hoorah from this crowd saying...Go for it Taylor...great idea!!! LOL
Come on, it's the dark side remember. You've joined in.
You are trying to Harlequin-ize your website, which would be great if are trying to attract....wait for it...WOMEN...and all those mangina types and guys that are in touch with their feminine side. If that's what you want, then I'd say "Go for it Taylor...great idea!!!"
Manly men like me don't want to be reminded about all the other "dicks" and "tricks" that come before us. Sure we know they exist, just don't need it thrown back in our face.
Fk, even an older and feeble minded hooker like H+T figured out this was a bad idea.
Which proly means you will have those pics on your site by sundown, I would guess.
pretty much everything lol. 'Manly men' would not be threatened by a lil photo of a woman he was planning to see just because she was standing next to a guy with a bod. I mean really, big deal. And you proved my point exactly...you couldn't handle it.
Read my post below. It's directed to a gentleman who maybe I think...could. At least see it for the 'art' in it, and not be threatened by it. Maybe, maybe not, that's if he answers.
But thank you for proving my point...exactly.
It aint just me sweetie, its the overwhelming majority of the guys posting on this thread that think its a bad idea. Some of them have actually been in your company, I believe, god help them.
But maybe you have a math problem AND a marketing one?
You see, the basic idea of marketing & advertising, as I understand it, is to attract clients TO YOU, not push them AWAY from you.
Something you couldn't grasp on the NB and something you still don't understand all this time later
However, I have seen videos of ladies seducing men. I guess if you want to try it, go for it.
We all watch movies and see the sex scenes. The movies star our favorite actors going at it with another hottie. I don't know about you, but I enjoy watching. If the opportunity rises where John Mayer decides to pop out of his "Your Body is a Wonderland" video with someone who is teeny tiny, better looking, and - well - much wealthier lol, better bet I'll be hitting that up in a split second.
Plus, I can fantasize that I'm as hot as the actress in the video lol. After all, he's with me.
Different take on it. Enjoy
C
Whatever shows the lady off: MF, FF, FFF, FFFF...well, you see where I'm going with this :-
you should have just contacted me directly lol. So you know I do not come cheap though and absolutely no head shots (well you can show the little hammy if you think it would help) and no Aldo I only use my private photographer who knows how to properly light my six pack lol. And as for my ass if I need to get a Brazilian done for the shoot that will be extra of lol.
you meant to respond to Taylor
Whenever I've seen the male-female lovers embrace in an ad, I tend to READ the blurb she puts up. Probably just the novelty, and if EVERYBODY did it...
But you might consider using only one such still, along with a portfolio of solos. Could be an interesting center to an overall motif. You know, Experience Meeting a Stranger, or something like that. I don't think the model puts men off. Even if it makes them jealous, it can easily turn to heightened desire.
So, risking a squabble from the Boys on the Board, I encourage you develop a tasteful lovers image and using it. Run it up the flagpole and see who and what salutes.
half empty around here. Geezk.
Muah xoxo
Panthera. As I think this topic after hearing what's been said, really boils down to one's confidence in themselves in viewing it as 'art' vs something else or taking it personally. Now, it's known that Mr. Panthera and I have gone the rounds endlessly, probably the worst of all here and even so, I'd still like to hear his take on the topic, even though I may already have a guess to his answer. Afterall, he is probably the MOST confident individuals I have come across of anyone here (not you Jack, you reak of insecurity I'm afraid).
My point is, most of the gentlemen who have shown interest in the grand scheme of things are pretty confident in who they are as men, in and outside of this world. I highly doubt a lil photograph of me standing with a male model is going to deter them from booking with me when it boils down to it. And no, I don't mean Mr Panthera of course. It's quite clear he wouldn't book with me if I was the last provider available on earth, let's get that straight please LOL. But to hear 'his' kind and 'take' on this venture either way like a few others here who I've enjoyed hearing from, would be interesting.
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I will contact my photog now and pose us how you like lol. But if you want a MMF shot I am the top no bartering on that point lol and I swear to god god I will go easy on the young man lol.
post below lol. Where am I headed anyway lol.
EOM
their lack of confidence not comprehending your charm and wit.
So does commercial work for you lol?
IIRC, it's just his hand on her butt or something but it's tastefully done. Considering she's the #1 lady in her main city, it's clearly not causing her any problems. There was also another lady (I think she's delisted now so I won't say her name) who had a really nice one of her sipping wine on a picnic blanket with a guy. Something like that seems like it would be fine. Just avoid the extreme close-up blowjob shots (though I doubt that's what you had in mind anyway).
accept than some obese wimp pussy with a big mouth like a certain who's already posted on this thread .
Also , would you pass on a NFL cheerleader because she's in the team photo with the players .
Just a few photos to provide a contrast and enhancement to the pics of the woman alone. IMO, some of the website pics we are bombarded with begin to look the same, same, same after a while.
A few photos with the woman ALWAYS as the main focus. Not graphic per se, erotic art created for one purpose... to establish her desirability, her availability, her responsiveness. The tease, the suggestion of possibilities. The more minimal the male form in the picture, maybe the better... I think Tobi mentioned just male hands even. I am of course, available to model... reasonable rates!!!
Here's a few I found that I thought might be something like what you're thinking about:
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o609/masterzen3/imagesCAIQ7XOM_zps89fdf89b.jpg
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o609/masterzen3/img-thing1_zps00727eb9.jpg
rates??? Did you say rates LOL...and you know my giggle. This one was of my lil 'sarcastic' tone. (smirk smirk). I'll think about it. You jumped in a lil late mister. However, you do have some 'clay' I could mold...'my' way
But.... the line goes like this.....
Mr Fisher
Blue is runners up (although he's a lil too verbose for me and I'd probably want to choke him on the set LOL)
You
Anyone else I should consider...should I consider Jack perhaps (even though he's a big meanie, I forgive easily) ?????
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the "molding" thing. Every woman I've ever met has said I am untrainable.
I'll take my chances on the selection process with Jack and Blue, but MrFisher is some tough competition.
I can hear your giggle over the miles!
I appreciate 'every' comment and thought. Time will tell I suppose.
a QT covered,steroid induced, Brazilianed dude as after being with me you will consider that guy to be no better than a blow up doll lol.
I like your site...very well done.
Pics with a guy...doesn't matter to me in the least.
Just saw 'The Sound of Music" at the Lyric Opera House this afternoon. Not a bad show...some could really bring it. The dude who played Captain Von Trapp was Billy Zane. I wish they could have brought in Alfie Boe to play the role...but Zane was passable.
Is it wrong that I kept on wondering if Liesl has a shaved pussy?
it's wrong lol. You perverted old man you. Happy you enjoyed your show, going to one myself. And that makes me VERY happy. Love the performing arts.
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You take a tasteful photo, you put it up, and suddenly, in floods the guys wanting a wobbly H. Not much else. I know, I did it once. It was a very "meh" experience, to be honest.
Why a artsy photo is so protested, while a "you shoulda showered yesterday" looking blow job or a yeast infected pussy picture gets 40 likes on the photo board, I don't know. But enough girls post purely awful pictures and do just fine that I really don't think it will effect your business the way it's been suggested. I didn't notice any difference in mine, but I run with a pretty kinky crowd anyways.
Will it be their favorite? Probably not. But you never know what might get someone going, so you might as well have a little of everything and weed them out as they come. If a guy is turned off by ONE picture out of a whole portfolio, you guys are probably not a great match and he was probably on the fence to begin with anyways. Done well, I think more will appreciate the versatility, even if it's not totally their cup of tea.