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SexyCurvesDC 3954 reads
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It's different for everyone... some people are just more sensitive. The times in the past I've gotten yeasties have been from things like sharing a toy with a girl. Not that she is "dirty" but just that our body chemistry doesn't match, thus the irritation. Flavored lubes for me are guaranteed to cause a case of crazy itchies altho I've never had that "diagnosed" as anything.

I very rarely get anything like that now, but I have been verrrrrrry very very VERY sexually active for many years, long before I got into this industry. If anything I'm much much more careful now and take a lot of precautions and keep up with my checkups.  But the fact is that these things DO happen, it's not the end of the world, and it's not usually a big deal.

Syphillis from hand jobs??? Now THAT is scary...

Hugs*
Nicole

Mathesar4480 reads

There have been a number of threads since I got back from vacation on the risks of various acts and the amount of safety provided by condoms.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, but there is an excellent article in the June 2002 issue of "Sexually Transmitted Diseases: Journal of the American Sexually Transmitted Diseases Association." The article is titled "The Role of Disease-Specific Infectivity and Number of Disease Exposures on Long-Term Effectiveness of the Latex Condom." The article is by Joshua R. Mann, MD, MPH, Curtis C. Stine, MD, and John Vessey, PhD. It is on pages 344-349.

I think that the information in this article is extremely important to this community and I suspect that not everyone has access to a research library that carries this journal, so I have typed the complete article (minus figures, footnotes, and references) into Word and will paste it into a series of additional posts under this post. (The figures, footnotes, and references are not essential to understanding the article. If you really want them go hunt up the issue of the journal containing the article.)

Mathesar3860 reads

Background: Condom use is a primary prevention strategy for sexually transmitted infections (STIs). Consistent condom use substantially reduces the risk of HIV infection. Similar levels of effectiveness for reducing the risk of other STIs have not been established. Differences in disease-specific infectivity and the number of exposures to an infected partner may explain differences in condom effectiveness.
Goal: The goal was to examine the impact of differing infectivities and increasing numbers of exposures on theoretical condom effectiveness.
Study Design: Mathematical modeling using estimated disease-specific infectivities and condom failure rates.
Results: Condom effectiveness decreases as disease-specific infectivity and the number of exposures to infection risk increase.
Conclusion: Condom effectiveness for decreasing STI risk is influenced by disease infectivity and the number of exposures. Generalization from studies of relatively uninfectious STIs to highly infectious STIs or from short-term studies to longer-term situations will overestimate condom effectiveness.

Mathesar4607 reads

THE ORIGIN OF THE MALE CONDOM is unknown, but its use for preventing pregnancy and reducing the risk of sexually transmitted infection (STI) goes back for centuries. Since the introduction of hormonal contraception in the mid 20th century, the condom’s role as a primary method of birth control has declined. Multiple factors have precipitated this decline, including the superiority of hormonal contraceptives for pregnancy prevention, the ease of use, and the greater degree of female control afforded by these newer methods.
Hormonal contraceptives, however, offer no appreciable protection from STIs, and with the appearance of HIV as a major health concern in the 1980s, prevention of HIV infection became a personal and public health priority. Currently, use of the male latex condom is the primary strategy for HIV and STI prevention in sexually active individuals worldwide. Condoms are promoted as a highly effective means of preventing HIV and other STIs. With the exception of HIV, however, research demonstrating the effectiveness of condoms for STI prevention is lacking. Most research indicates that condoms are less effective for preventing transmission of non-HIV STIs that for preventing HIV infection. A few studies have revealed high levels of condom effectiveness for STI prevention. Such studies, however, typically involve a short follow-up period and a small number of potential exposures.
Condoms are likely to be less effective in preventing infections that are spread by direct skin contact than infections spread by the exchange of body fluids, since infection can occur in areas of the skin not covered by the condom. An acceptable explanation for observed differences in condom effectiveness for prevention of infections that are transmitted by body fluids (such as HIV, gonorrhea, and chlamydia), however, has not been offered. Such findings are often dismissed as being due to inconsistent/incorrect condom use or subpotential study designs.
But if condoms can fail even with consistent use, differences in disease-specific infectivity may explain the noted variation in disease-specific condom effectiveness. For vaginal intercourse, estimates of per-episode infectivity range from a low of 0.001 for HIV (because actual HIV infectivity has been shown to vary with viral load, 0.001 represents an estimated average) to approximately 0.20 for gonorrhea in men, 0.30 for syphilis, 0.50 for gonorrhea in women and for human papillomavirus, and 0.70 for chancroid. Intuitively, differences in STI infectivity should be mitigated by the use of relative risk measurements to quantify condom effectiveness; greater infectivity would convey higher risk to both condom users and condom nonusers. However, as the number of exposures (episodes of intercourse with an infected partner) increases, an interaction between disease-specific infectivity and number of episodes of intercourse may explain many of the reported differences in the condom’s ability to reduce the risk of infection. This article examines the impact of varying disease infectivity and increasing number of exposures on condom effectiveness.


-- Modified on 8/5/2002 10:42:01 PM

Mathesar4286 reads

Infection risks and relative risks were calculated for increasing numbers of coital exposures to an infected partner, on the basis of hypothetical per-episode infectivities and a consistent condom breakage and slippage rate. Infectivity estimates were chosen to approximate the infectivities of HIV (0.001), gonorrhea (0.20 for men and 0.50 for women), syphilis (0.30), and chancroid (0.70).
We chose a condom breakage and complete slippage rate of 0.03 for our calculations. This estimate of condom breakage and slippage risk is based on numerous studies showing that combined clinical breakage and complete slippage rates usually range between two and four percent in the general population. In fact, rates of condom breakage and combined (partial and complete) slippage are higher, but only complete slippage is included in our calculations because it is more likely to result in significant infection risk.

Calculating Infection Risk

The probability (q) that a nonuser of condoms will remain uninfected after n episodes of sexual intercourse with an infected partner can be calculated as

q := (1 – inf) ^ n

where inf represents the per-episode infectivity of the disease in question (that is, the likelihood of becoming infected during a single act of sexual intercourse with an infected person). This is the familiar Bernoulli process that has been used to model HIV infection risk and condom effectiveness for HIV prevention.
The probability (p_n_nonuser) that a condom nonuser will become infected after n episodes of intercourse with an infected partner is calculated as

p_n_nonuser := 1 – q

or

p_n_nonuser := 1 – (1 – inf) ^ n

If one assumes that disease transmission occurs only when the condom breaks or slips, the probability of infection for a condom user depends on (1) the number of episodes of intercourse with an infected partner; (2) the infectivity of the STI; and (3) the per-episode probability (f) of condom failure (breakage or slippage). If the risk of becoming infected from coital exposure during which the condom breaks or slips off is equivalent to the infection risk if condoms are not used, the probability (p_n_condom_user) that a condom user will become infected after n episodes of  intercourse with an infected partner is:

p_n_condom_user := 1 – (1 – f * inf) ^ n

This approach assumes that each coital act carries with it the same risk of infection: the risk of condom breakage or slippage times the risk of infection when condom breakage or slippage occurs. Given our assumption that new infections occur only when condoms break or slip off, it would perhaps be more appropriate to think of infection risk as being zero when condom breakage or slippage does not occur and being equal to the infectivity (inf) when breakage or slippage does occur. Calculations based on these assumptions can be made using a bimodal distribution to quantify the probability of achieving any number (a) of condom breakages/slippages, given a number (n) of episodes of sexual intercourse. The Bernoulli process can then be used to calculate infection risk, given each number (a) of condom breakage/slippages. The weighted average of the risk for each potential number of breakages/slippages represents the total infection risk.
The results of the two approaches are identical for every exposure scenario. Because the calculations can be carried out much more efficiently with the strictly logarithmic approach, it is used exclusively throughout the remainder of this article.

Calculating Relative Risk

Condom effectiveness is normally expressed as relative risk—that is, the ratio of infection risk in condom users to infection risk in nonusers. It is calculated as

RR := infection_risk_in_condom_user / infection_risk_in_nonuser

A relative risk of 1.0 indicates that an intervention has no protective effect on the infection risk. A relative risk below 1.0 demonstrates some protective effect. This protective effect becomes stronger as the relative risk approaches zero. A relative risk >1.0 would indicate an increased risk due to condom use (not a medically plausible outcome).

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Infection Risk With Condom Nonuse

As illustrated in Figure 1 [not included], the calculated risk of infection when condoms are not used increases as the number of coital exposures to an infected individual increases. The rate of increase is very rapid for infections with high infectivities. Infection risk approaches 100% after 10 unprotected exposures for diseases with infectivities of 0.50 or 0.70. The probability of infection when a disease’s infectivity is 0.2 or 0.3 approaches 100% with approximately 30 unprotected exposures.
For a disease with an infectivity of 0.001, infection risk rises much less rapidly. After 30 unprotected exposures, the probability of infection is 3%. After 100 exposures, the probability of infection is 9.5%

Infection Risk with Condom Use

Calculated infection risk when condoms are used is illustrated in Figure 2 [not included]. As with condom nonuse, infection risk increases as the number of exposures increases. Again, this increase occurs more rapidly when the infectivity of the STI is greater. Initially, the risk of infection when condoms are used is low. However, as the number of exposures increases, the probability of infection can become quite high, especially for highly infective STIs.
When infectivity is 0.70, 10 exposures with a condom confer a 19% risk of infection. With 50 exposures, the risk is 65% and with 100 exposures the risk is 88%. When infectivity is 0.50, 10 exposures confer a 14% risk of infection and 50 exposures confer a 53% risk. After 10 exposures, when infectivity equals 0.30, the probability of infection is 8.6%. After 50 exposures, infection risk is 36%, and after 100 exposures, it is 59.5%. After 10 exposures using a condom when the infectivity is 0.20, the probability of infection is 5.9%. With 100 exposures the risk is 45.2%. When infectivity is very low (0.001), the risk after 10 exposures using a condom is only 0.03%, and after 100 exposures it is just 0.3%.

Relative Risk of Infection With Condom Use (Condom Effectiveness)

Although absolute infection risk is important and may be especially useful for counseling patients, condom effectiveness is typically expressed as a relative risk. The calculated impact of different levels of disease infectivity and increasing numbers of exposures on the relative risk of infection with condom use is depicted in Figure 3 [not included]. Relative risk (and therefore Figure 3) is a function of the risk of infection in condom users (Figure 2) and the risk of infection in nonusers (Figure 1).
When infectivity is 0.70, the calculated relative risk is low for the first few episodes of intercourse, but then it increases to 0.19 with 10 exposures, 0.65 for 50 exposures, and 0.88 for 100 exposures. This means that when infectivity is 0.70, an individual who always uses a condom and who has 100 exposures to an infected sexual partner is 88% as likely to have been infected as someone with the same number of exposures to the same infection who never uses a condom.
When the infectivity is 0.50, the calculated relative risk is 0.14 after 10 exposures, 0.53 after 50 acts, and 0.78 after 100. For an infectivity of 0.30, relative risk is calculated as 0.09 with 10 exposures but increases to 0.36 after 50 exposures and 0.60 after 100 exposures. An infectivity of 0.20 results in a calculated relative risk of 0.066 after 10 exposures, 0.26 after 50 acts, and 0.45 after 100.
When infectivity is very low, relative risk remains low despite large numbers of exposures. When infectivity equals 0.001, the calculated relative risk after 10 and 100 exposures is 0.030 and 0.032, respectively.

Mathesar3841 reads

One’s risk of infection increases with increasing numbers of unprotected sexual acts with an infected partner. Similarly, our calculations indicate that one’s risk of infection increases with increasing numbers of condom-protected sexual exposures. Based on our models, the relative risk of infection in condom users also increases with increasing numbers of exposures. Our models also indicate that relative risk is highly associated with STI-specific infectivity. Relative risk increases (less risk reduction) more rapidly with increasing exposure in more infectious diseases. These findings are in agreement with previously published models of HIV risk using a similar approach.
Because of the impact of increasing infectivity on relative risk, it is inappropriate to generalize condom effectiveness from infections with low infectivity (such as HIV) to infections with high infectivity (such as gonorrhea) or vice versa. Clinical research is needed to determine whether differences in disease-specific infectivity will actually result in different relative risks.
Our findings also call into question the validity of studies that attempt to measure the effectiveness of condoms in preventing STI transmission but fail to measure the number of sexual acts (exposures) of participants. Future studies of condom effectiveness must measure the number of sexual acts in which study subjects participate. Follow-up periods should be of adequate duration to allow a substantial number of exposures to occur. Similarly, because of the impact of multiple episodes of intercourse on condom effectiveness, results from studies that follow participants for a short period of time (a few episodes of intercourse, or even a few weeks of follow-up) cannot be used to estimate long-term condom effectiveness.
In addition, general statements about condoms being “80%”, “90%”, or “99% effective” for preventing STIs must be avoided. For such statements to be accurate, the number of exposures to a particular STI must be specified. Generic estimates of effectiveness fail to account for differences in relative risk based on different numbers of exposures and differing disease-specific infectivities.
In this article, we use the term effectiveness to describe the ability of condoms, when used consistently, to reduce STI risk. Efficacy may be a preferable term to describe this measure, because our models predict condom performance under “ideal” conditions, i.e., consistent use. However, efficacy in the context of condom research typically refers to both consistent and correct use. Some portion of condom breakage and slippage is likely due to user error and not mechanical failure. Since the breakage and slippage rates used in our models probably include some user error, we have chosen effectiveness. However, we acknowledge that our estimates may more closely approximate condom efficacy than effectiveness in actual use.

Mathesar4144 reads

Our calculations rest on a number of assumptions. First, we assume that all episodes of intercourse occur with an infected partner. This is an appropriate assumption because, although most bacterial STIs will eventually resolve even without treatment, most STIs persist (and continue to be infectious) for several months to a year or longer if not successfully treated. Some viral STIs persist for the remainder of the infected person’s life. The upper range of sexual encounters with an infected individual used in our calculations (100) is well within the realm of possibilities for the number of episodes of vaginal intercourse over a 1-year period. Lower levels of sexual exposure (1-50 acts of intercourse) are reasonable for a sexual relationship that is measured in days, weeks, or (possibly) months. Assuming that all episodes of sex occur with an infected partner allows us to isolate the effectiveness of the latex condom itself, which is the real purpose of this article.
Second, we assume that disease transmission with condom users occurs only if the condom breaks or slips off. This assumption is based on the body of research that shows condoms, in the absence of manufacturing defects, to be effective barriers for infections agents. The assumption should hold true for STIs spread by the exchange of body fluids, such as HIV and gonorrhea. For those infections spread by skin-to-skin contact, such as chancroid, syphilis, genital herpes, and infection due to human papillomavirus, infection that occurs outside the area covered by an intact condom can be transmitted even if a condom is used and does not break or slip. Therefore, condom failure rates for these infections are likely higher than would be predicted by our models.
We also assume a consistent rate of condom breakage and complete slippage during intercourse. The rates we have used in our calculations (0.03) falls within the usual range of reported breakage and complete slippage rates. It is likely that breakage and slippage rates are not randomly distributed throughout the population of condom users, and previous research shows that breakage and slippage rates may decrease with increasing condom use experience. For the most experienced condom users (prostitutes, for example), our breakage and slippage assumptions are likely to over-estimate condom failures. However, for the least experienced condom users (adolescents, for example), the risk of breakage and slippage is likely to be underestimated. To compensate for overestimation or underestimation, we performed calculations using three different and plausible rates for condom breakage and slippage: 0.01, 0.03, and 0.05. The results of each calculation (available from the authors upon request) were similar to those described in this article, although actual calculated infection risks and relative risks were different for each probability of breakage/slippage.
Fourth, we assume that STI infectivity is constant on a per-act basis. In actuality, most estimates of infectivity are averages. In the case of HIV, evidence suggests that infectivity varies substantially over the course of the disease, as the viral load rises and falls. However, calculated infectivities of HIV are consistently an order of magnitude or more below those of most other STIs. Our assumption of constant infectivity should not detract from the purpose of this paper; to examine the impact of differences in infectivity and number of exposures on condom effectiveness.
Last, we assume that each event of breakage or complete slippage exposes one to the same risk of infection. Furthermore, we assume that this risk is the same as the risk with condom nonuse. These assumptions are likely not entirely correct. Whereas some breakage/slippages are likely to expose the individual to an infection risk identical to the risk of unprotected intercourse, others probably involve less risk. However, limiting our considerations to clinical breakage (breakage during intercourse) and complete slippage (slippage in which the condom completely slips off the penis) rather than all breakage and slippage would have the same effect as using different estimates for breakage and slippage rates. The slopes of the curves would change, but the underlying phenomenon (increasing relative risk due to increasing infectivity and number of acts of intercourse) would not be changed.
If every individual within an entire population of sexually active individuals used latex condoms consistently and correctly, the incidence and eventually the prevalence of many STIs would decline. This is the perspective of those interested in population health: find a prevention strategy that reduces the risk of an adverse health consequence and implement that strategy throughout the population. Universal implementation of even a marginally effective prevention strategy should ultimately reduce disease prevalence.
But the goals of the clinician often differ from the goals of the population health advocate. Clinicians advocate for individuals and are primarily interested in the personal health of individual patients. Nonetheless, counseling individual patients about prevention strategies requires knowledge of the principles and measures of population health. Which STIs are most prevalent in the patient’s community of sexual partners? Are the prevalent diseases transmitted by infected body fluids or by contact with infected skin? How contagious are the prevalent diseases? How experienced in using condoms is this patient? All of these factors will impact the patient’s per-episode risk of contracting a new STI.
Finally, the clinician must keep in mind the concept of cumulative risk. As the number of uses of any imperfect prevention intervention increases, the cumulative potential for intervention failure also increases. If the intervention fails, disease may occur. Therefore, disease screening and other early recognitin and traatment programs are important components of clinical practice. The findings of this report, particularly when coupled with the knowledge that many STIs are clinically asymptomatic, should encourage the clinician to screen appropriately for STIs with high prevalence in the community—even in patients who report they consistently and correctly use condoms.


-- Modified on 8/5/2002 11:00:04 PM

a1btd398923741 reads

as i read it, the study (based on mathematical or actuarial calculations, not field research) claims to show that condom protection goes down the more often you have sex, the more sex partners you have, and the more infectious those partners are.

condoms can reduce risk. so can "hobbying" only once a month or less. so can "hobbying" only with providers with an upscale clientele, or an older clientele, or an all white clientele. so can "hobbying" with only one provider, or a provider that never has intercourse without a condom, or never uses intravenous drugs.

you don't secure those things with your condom, but with your ability to tell a good minx from a bad. last of all comes: your ability to keep from doing something reckless with her, even when you are swept up in pleasure. that may even be the most important thing, and it wasn't included in this study.

-- Modified on 8/6/2002 8:50:45 AM

SexyCurvesDC4488 reads

This is far too long and ponderous for most people to wade thru and try to figure out WTF they are saying in their final analysis. I've been posting links here forever to info about this that is clearly stated... and basically if someone isn't going to read it, they just aren't going to read it.

Info about risks of HIV from oral sex.
(This study was performed on GAY MEN, but still a must read... education is half the battle!)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/oralsexqa.htm

A whole bunch more about oral sex and HIV
http://www.managingdesire.org/oralsexindex.html

http://www.sexuality.org/concise.html
The section about oral here, is great.

The two gentlemen who posted recently about getting minor bacterial infections from receiving oral sex, well... bacterial infections are a FACT OF LIFE for us ladies, ok, we've been dealing with that forever. It may sound icky but ever hear of a yeast infection???? Happen all the darned time. (Thankfully I am not plagued by them, but I know some women who are.)  Shucks, use a flavored lube on me and you give me the itchies for a week... I'm SENSITIVE.  There are all kinds of teensy irritating little infections you can get, including general "vaginitis" for ladies that are not an STD per se but definitely can be caused by sexual activities, protected or un. The bottom line is, if you have sex, you're taking a risk... the only TRULY without risk sex, is masturbation... and make sure your hands are clean!

Just my opinion, but it is based on an awful lot of research that I've done on my own time.

OH one more thing.. I didn't like how that study "assumes" 100% rate of bacterial infections. That's utter nonsense, especially for us ladies... choose your lady carefully of course, but those of us who care for ourselves get examined and tested on such a regular basis that something like that WOULD NOT go unnoticed in the way they describe. Thus in all reality, you're probably far safer seeing a reputable lady than you are picking up some random chick in a bar.

Hugs*
Nicole

tigergrrrl4224 reads

that's strange you think bacterial infections are a fact of life. the only time i've ever gotten an infection has been with a client! i think bacterial infections are probably common among providers. i known a guy who films porn and he has large jumbo size bottles of amoxicillin and other antibiotics in his medicine cabinet for all the infections the girls get. whenever he was filming there was always one girl or another with a uti, yeast, vaginitis or other more serious std. as for me I still do fbsm but no longer allow daty because the few times i made an exception and allowed it i got an infection or uti of some kind. i have never gotten an infection from boyfriends just from clients and it happened nearly every time. so no more daty for me.

and and no one ever believes me, but four years ago i got syphilitic lesions on my hands just giving handjobs. and syphilis shows up in blood tests forever and ever even when it's gone and it is a mandatory visit from the health dept. doctors and clinics are required to report syphilis and the health dept lady visited me at home three times harassing me for names of my clients and didn't believe me when i told her i never had sex or oral with anyone. but it happened to me. so I'm pretty militant about body fluids now even on my hands. too many bad experiences in the past.

if you rarely get infections from bbbj or daty with clients you're really lucky!

SexyCurvesDC3955 reads

It's different for everyone... some people are just more sensitive. The times in the past I've gotten yeasties have been from things like sharing a toy with a girl. Not that she is "dirty" but just that our body chemistry doesn't match, thus the irritation. Flavored lubes for me are guaranteed to cause a case of crazy itchies altho I've never had that "diagnosed" as anything.

I very rarely get anything like that now, but I have been verrrrrrry very very VERY sexually active for many years, long before I got into this industry. If anything I'm much much more careful now and take a lot of precautions and keep up with my checkups.  But the fact is that these things DO happen, it's not the end of the world, and it's not usually a big deal.

Syphillis from hand jobs??? Now THAT is scary...

Hugs*
Nicole

Careful reading of the study shows that there was no actual lab or field work done. This is merely a mathematical treatment using the numbers from publish condom failure rates and how infectious some Sexual Transmitted Infections can be. Not surprisingly, when you have more occurance of contact, your chance of infection increase with the mathematical model.

A real world study would have been interesting. The author of the article points out that no long term real world studies have been done for other than HIV. Otherwise this is merely some mathematical masturbation with the numbers.

If you want to scare yourself, go ahead and get upset at his conclusions. They are not backed up by fact just speculation.

Mathesar3767 reads

Condoms are very important from the public health standpoint because they slow the transmission of STIs. Note that the correct word is "slow" not "prevent". How much they slow the transmission of STIs depends on the value of the per-episode probability of condom failure (f). The study cited above uses a value of 0.03. A study of the risks of various acts for HIV cited by Cecil from the January issue of the same journal ( http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020301.html ) uses the value 0.05. However, the best field study I know of for HIV ( http://www.niaid.nih.gov/newsroom/releases/haitihiv.htm ) found the relative risk to be 0.15 (1.0 / 6.8) for HIV, which given the extremely low infectivity of HIV seems to imply a similar value for f -- much higher than can be accounted for by breakage/slippage alone.

Although condoms are very important from the public health standpoint it also is clear that if you have sex many times with an infected person or persons having a highly infectious STI that you will become infected yourself whether you use a condom or not.

It is also clear that you cannot become infected by having sex with a person who is not infected.

The best way to reduce your risk of HIV infection isn't using condoms. Rather, it's being fussy in your choice of sexual partners.

Being fussy means limiting yourself to partners that you can be reasonably certain are not infected. The best way to be reasonably certain is if they have been screened. For this reason the adult film industry requires performers to be tested monthly. No test and you don't work. Here in Los Angeles we have the AIM clinic ( http://aim-med.org ) that does this testing. They now will also test us civilians who are not in the industry. This testing is completely confidential and is reasonable in price.

Personally, I have been tested (yes, I have reversed my position on this since last April) and intend to be tested every six months. I date no more often than once a week and many weeks I do not date at all. That means I will be tested every 25 to 40 dates. I intend to take my most recent test results with me and offer to show them to the ladies I date.

I suggest that if everyone did this we could slow the spread of STIs in our community much more effectively than simply using condoms and hoping for the best. Sex with an uninfected partner -- even without a condom -- carries no risk of infection.

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