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I saw that report last night too
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I don't remember the PTSD thing.. and clearly the reporter doing the report had an agenda .. but yes,I was surprised at the number of pimps involved (in Las Vegas) if the report is to be believed.. and felt that the documentary was focused on agency stuff  but had a small section on independent providers.. But as I considered the women I know the best, I think of the 23 year old cutie I see and she said. "I haven't had a real date since I don't know when".. and I realize how difficult it is for her to come to terms what her day to day life has become.. or the other girl I see, who lives on the edges of society looking in. When things slow down she has no safety net.. no public Health care or unemployment because, of course,no taxes filed for years.. I get concerned about them and hope that the 23 year old is not being abused by anyone and wonder how someone can decide not to continue.. if they want to do so.. I realize it has to be difficult and I  respect their bravery ..

So I was watching Sex For Sale on Natgeo and this former Provider stated that 2/3 of Provider have PTSD.  Then a current Provider followed up and stated that Providing takes "alot out of you emotionally".

For a minute there I started to feel bad.  Then I thought back to that summer in college when I worked in a sausage factory.  The factory was 40 degrees, everybody there hated me because I was in college (this was a union job) and the boss rode my black ass blue saying I wasn't working "fast enough".

If the PTSD or any kind of emotional trauma due to Providing is accurate I fail to say how that is my fucking fault (or the fault of any Hobbyist).  

I will admit that it has to be emotionally jarring to have sex with random strangers.  But hey, these women **eagerly sought out the lifestyle, knowing the risks. It’s very easy money once you get used to it**  

If there is any kind of trauma I am not taking the blame.  I DIDN'T FORCE ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Sidenote:  interesting observation I picked up from the show.  Alot of agencies hire girls that are being pimped out.  Now chew on that:(

 
P.S.  On a lighter note my Personal Trainer has me on a new routine and I can feel and see the results.  YeS

RT

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Adjax795 reads

google Sheiko and Smolov beginner splits, thank me later...or Rippetoe's Starting Strength if you complete novice

If you are the same in person as you post, I suspect a lot of ladies have some emotional issues after meeting you.  This post is a great example of you pontificating it couldn't POSSIBLY have anything to do with how you behave (and by implication, how other guys behave).  That is downright scary.  So, in your mind, since a lady voluntarily entered this business, then anything you do is fair game?  Since she voluntarily entered this business she shouldn't be traumatized no matter how gross, how ill mannered, or how threatening a guy behaves?

I know a lot of ladies who do this work very voluntarily, but when they run into a wacko who pulls a knife on them, or robs them, or beats them, or stalks them--you know what, THEY ARE EMOTIONALLY UPSET BY THAT!!  That isn't whatthey thought they were signing up for.

AnotherDonJohn543 reads

How every troll post has a similar format?

Referring to RT-ass not you, OT.

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I know you went with 2/3 because of his topic, but it's more like 3/3.

I honestly don't know why the same people start daily useless posts and why the same people reply to them...

Cosette827 reads

Being a faux idiot. Your posts have half a sense of seriousness and half a sense of moronic language and an even worse conclusion

it could be worse:)

I have to go bed now.  Roads are icy so I need to leave early for work.

Take care NOW!

There are many factors that would go into PTSD in this case.
1. Lying to everyone you know about what you do…
    a. You can't have relationships that seem real. You have a constant wall between you and the world.  
    b. You can't talk openly about your life, what you do, and the difficulties you encounter --- except to your competition.  
    c. You become dissociated in some ways, having to believe your story in order to make it believable to others.
2. You are constantly looking over your shoulder, and though the guy is screened, you just never know if he is LE or if there are any keeping an eye on you.
3. Fear of being 'found out', or wondering who knows what about you, or if they're trying to figure it out. You can't slip either. (Constantly hiding).
4. Lack of relationships for many --- hard to find a guy who will accept this type of lifestyle, and/or you have to hide it from the person closest to you --- fucking him after you get home from fucking other men, knowing you can't quit just yet.
5. The longer you're in the game, the longer you have lack of proof for previous jobs --- unless you're lucky. Can be a little nerve wracking when you see the distance increase between your previous end date from your last job and now.
6. Competition --- it's a cut-throat business
7. Ladies in agencies who pay a fee if they cancel an appointment, as well as paying agency for the booked time. May sound minimal, but feels like someone's telling you "If you don't fuck this guy, you have to pay out anyway." i.e. someone tells you who to fuck and when to fuck them. If you change your mind during a session, what happens? You can do it on a date, but during a session will 'ding' you. (Never had to do that thus far unless a dude is a jackass. He then gets a refund and leaves.)
8. Figuring out how to jump through hoops to get a place to live, a car to drive, etc.

This may not seem like a big deal to many, but in my life I've been very careful about obeying the laws of the land. It takes some getting used to when you completely change your approach to life, the law, and everything in-between. You do from openly living and discussing life to an underground, secret world.

Some want to stay off the streets, pay medical bills, pay for school, and fear looking like a failure to others. They keep making money, but somehow it seems life happen and that new person comes into it at the wrong time, and you have to decline because you know it wouldn't work because of what you do --- missed opportunities.

Some people make choices based on circumstances and out of desperation - to raise a child or pay for someone to raise them - whatever the reason, yes… you are right, it is still a choice. But feeding your children and giving them a roof over their head are things hard to ignore as well.

Again, it is a choice; however, you are talking about stats here. 3/3 make the choice to do this, 2/3 get PTSD, (which you can get from many things by the way). They're just numbers and facts. A result of life situations, choices, whatever you call it… stating it's not a hobbyist's fault doesn't change the fact that they get PTSD.

If you could, please advise us … where and when did providers say it was your fault? We can probably answer more clearly about your concern here.  

Also, personally, fucking random guys really isn't bothersome to me and I screen them out based not only on regular screening protocol, but also how they communicate with me via email. I've really not come across many problems yet. *knocks on wood*.

Regarding your 'easy money' comment --- A lot of guys think it's easy money, but a lot of work goes on behind the scenes. Marketing mainly.

xoxoxoxooxoxox!!!

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Your "easy money" comment hit it on the head.  I help a friend with her marketing, advertising and websites due to my nerd powers.   It's a pain in the ass to go through and update multiple ad sites, come up with new creative content, and constantly shoot new photos.  OK, the photo thing is not that bad, it's actually really fun before, during, and afterwards.  

Nothing in this is easy and money sure isn't falling from the skies.  It's definitely not easy, nor for the faint of heart.

I had a job for about 10 years that ended nearly 30 years ago. It was the sort of job where you had a set amount of work to each do each day and were responsible for that no matter the weather, illness etc. If you were sick the work was waiting when you back. Well here it is 30 ,years later and I still have dreams almost nightly about that place, not really nightmares just dreams about constant problems that keep me from finishing the work. It really wasn't a bad or unpleasant job in fact much of the time if you worked fast you could get done early.  
   I guess my point is, if a job like that can affect me all these years later, I have no doubt that being a provider could trigger this sort of thing too. Is it PTSD?  In my case, obviously no, but I believe it's a similar reaction, but that's just my theory.

I don't remember the PTSD thing.. and clearly the reporter doing the report had an agenda .. but yes,I was surprised at the number of pimps involved (in Las Vegas) if the report is to be believed.. and felt that the documentary was focused on agency stuff  but had a small section on independent providers.. But as I considered the women I know the best, I think of the 23 year old cutie I see and she said. "I haven't had a real date since I don't know when".. and I realize how difficult it is for her to come to terms what her day to day life has become.. or the other girl I see, who lives on the edges of society looking in. When things slow down she has no safety net.. no public Health care or unemployment because, of course,no taxes filed for years.. I get concerned about them and hope that the 23 year old is not being abused by anyone and wonder how someone can decide not to continue.. if they want to do so.. I realize it has to be difficult and I  respect their bravery ..

exit9461 reads

Yes Julia .. I do think of that.. The second girl I see is in her mid thirties and has been providing for some time.. the 1st girl (23, almost 24) is so appreciative of anything I do for her.. and yes I think that I, no doubt, am or would be her grandfathers age.. but it doesn't stop me from seeing her and really enjoying myself with her and I believe that she enjoys seeing me..  she has made derisive comments to me about 30 year old guys that think they are great .. and frankly, I have to remind myself that when she was born, I was approaching middle age.. but try as I might.. I don't want to quit seeing her.. but I am careful not to give her advice about her life.. even though I do have my thoughts.. she is doing what she has to do to live and doing it with a lot of grace and class.. she could be in worse condition.. I make no judgements.  
If either of my "regulars" called me looking for help I would do all that I could for them..

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Unless a woman is trafficked or pimped, she chose to be here so we have to take responsibility for OUR own actions and decisions.  

Far too many providers pick a cheap rate to get bulk clients then wake up one day, hating what they do and everyone associated with it. Easy fix... raise your damn rate and stop working so much, or get another job on the side so you don't have to. I don't mean to sound mean, but it's really no one else's fault that you can't charge more. Not everyone is cut out to be a provider, but those who know they have no business being here, still want to kill themselves trying.  

I could see an agency lady or really anyone who has to see even one guy a day, every day, being burnt out... I would too, so duh... don't freaking do that! There is no law that says you have to see x amount of clients per week, except for your law. No one is forcing you to do that. I can't ever recall a time when I saw someone every day of the week, including the weekends... I mean ever, because I refused to work that way. I've also never exceeded 2 guys in a single day, and I ONLY did that the years I was touring every other week.  

Don't kid yourself though... it is NEVER 'easy money.' Fast money? You bet, but not easy. I have TWO jobs right now if that tells you anything, but you know what... it's still easier than living a life of exile and dealing with wanton people all the time. The reason many are here is because they are too lazy or chicken shit to actually work for a living. I was that way for a long time, and woke up. I want to live a normal life now, not only for me, but for my child.

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AnotherDonJohn589 reads

In your retirement, you're being more didactic than I remember.

Soon you'll have to organize into book chapters. Lol.

Posted By: HooktardGold
Unless a woman is trafficked or pimped, she chose to be here so we have to take responsibility for OUR own actions and decisions.  
   
 Far too many providers pick a cheap rate to get bulk clients then wake up one day, hating what they do and everyone associated with it. Easy fix... raise your damn rate and stop working so much, or get another job on the side so you don't have to. I don't mean to sound mean, but it's really no one else's fault that you can't charge more. Not everyone is cut out to be a provider, but those who know they have no business being here, still want to kill themselves trying.  
   
 I could see an agency lady or really anyone who has to see even one guy a day, every day, being burnt out... I would too, so duh... don't freaking do that! There is no law that says you have to see x amount of clients per week, except for your law. No one is forcing you to do that. I can't ever recall a time when I saw someone every day of the week, including the weekends... I mean ever, because I refused to work that way. I've also never exceeded 2 guys in a single day, and I ONLY did that the years I was touring every other week.  
   
 Don't kid yourself though... it is NEVER 'easy money.' Fast money? You bet, but not easy. I have TWO jobs right now if that tells you anything, but you know what... it's still easier than living a life of exile and dealing with wanton people all the time. The reason many are here is because they are too lazy or chicken shit to actually work for a living. I was that way for a long time, and woke up. I want to live a normal life now, not only for me, but for my child.  

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Imagine that ha ha. It's as if I am writing all day long now or some shit, only another place besides TER. Just for that shit, you're going in the credits. L.

I kind of feel I have PTSD but from my erratic home life growing up.. ha ha
I think that is why this biz is so great for me psychologically.
I am in control of who I see.
the relationships are structured so the social aspect is very clear on what is expected.  
There is no guessing.  I feel totally liked as a person ... I think.. 'damn, this nice, fun person, thinks I'm cool enough to hang out with me AND give me money... not once but over and over and over again for years on end.   Damn... ! I feel special.  '
It is a great comfort all around.

As a legal escort I only sell time but in general, as a person in everyday life....
Having sex with strangers is not jarring (?)...  is picking up someone you don't know well in a bar and having sex with them 'jarring' and tramatic?  Each person has agreed it would be fun right?  
Hypothetically , If I saw some hot guy in a bar, took him home, and fucked him.. and afterwards he said he wanted to pay my mortgage, fill my fridge full of food and beer, and see me again in a couple of weeks ..  that is wonderful not tramatic.  

ha ha    
and YES being at my best takes a lot of energy.. any job takes your energy. any job that deals with people emotionally on a one on one basis..  not exclusive to escorts.  Some professions might be MORE emotionally draining.. but the people who go into those professions and succeed do so because they have that energy to give and obviously a way to renew it.  
Go to a comedy club and watch the performers on stage. Talk about zapping energy!  That energy exchange can be a very positive element.    

Don't  confuse prostitutes with escorts.  If someone is a streetwalker or being trafficked maybe that causes PTSD...

DollyHaze573 reads

Well first and foremost, I'd like to know more about how this provider came to that conclusion. Was it in a study she read somewhere, or was that just her hypothesis? Secondly, does she know what PTSD is? I don't say that to be sarcastic. I think that most people know generally what PTSD is but not enough about how it specifically manifests itself in different people.

Also, does she say that most providers have PTSD, or did she say that most providers have PTSD due to providing? I think that's an important distinction. And what kind of providers was she talking about? There's going to be a very big difference between, say, someone who is the victim of human trafficking in Moscow than a provider in New South Wales, Australia who can, for the most part, freely choose to enter this career and does not have to worry about getting in any sort of legal trouble.  

I will say that, in my experience, most providers I have met have suffered from some sort of mental illness and/or problem (aka, depression, bipolar disorder, alcoholism, etc.) at some point in their lives. BUT...and this is important, most that I have met have recovered and/or continued to recover through therapy, medication and/or treatment programs before or during their careers as providers. I realize this is anecdotal, but my point is, my experience has been that, while I see some connection to providers having had suffered with these problems, I don't see them continuing to have these problems in conjunction with, or because of, providing. I think the connection between the two, at least partially, is (again, this is just a theory), because providers are used to being outsiders and on the fringe of society in one way, being on the fringe of society in another way isn't as difficult or as shredding.  

As far as "taking the blame" is concerned, I don't think that's what this is about. Yes, providing does take a lot out of you emotionally, no matter what. But it certainly is easier and less emotionally tricky when you're dealing with a client who is respectful, courteous and well groomed. Yes, you are paying for a service and, and you have the right to expect to receive good service. But, when you are dealing with something as intimate as this, and that does make the service provider vulnerable, you should also be respectful of boundaries, limits and her overall comfort. In this world especially, I think you get what you give, on both ends. But you are right that and independent who freely chose to enter this world can freely chose to exit this world, and the responsibility to make that decision is hers and hers alone.

I am amazed I made it through that entire post, but I did ha ha. RT has some issues, and if you do a search for his past posts, you will realize this is nothing new. All things considered, I can't lie and say this business has not taken its toll on a few areas of my life, so he is not altogether wrong. You either have to be seriously numb or seriously open to not suffer some side effects from sucking strange d*ck for years on end. The very same providers who claim they 'don't have to be here' can't even charge 500 an hour... um, why is that? If you don't have to be here, why can't you charge whatever you want lol.

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I'd add that, IMO, providers do live a stressful life and from time to time I'm sure that they suffer traumatic experiences. So, after such an event, PTS follows. After LE encounters or just obnoxious clients, it would be considered somewhat abnormal if the woman felt no effect at all. So, post traumatic stress isn't always a disorder. Sometimes, no matter how ugly, it must be viewed as a scar that just comes with the territory.

No offense, but I have been in jail more times in RL before age 25 lol... no record though. :)

I have NEVER been face to face with a cop in the hobby, unless he was paying me vs. cuffing me. Like ANY business we have to deal with things that cause stress... it's a totally different kind of stress because even though we say this is free from emotions, that's not entirely true. Emotions get mixed in when a guy calls you ugly in a review, when he shows up and just lays there not saying a damn word, acting like he is into you when he should have just walked out, or when you get ripped off for the first time. If you screen well, you can minimize 99 percent of that crap from happening, but you can't ever know 100 percent how you are going to hit it off with a guy behind closed doors.  

Dealing with those butterflies and jitters every day of the week, would drive me nuts, so I don't suggest any provider go that route, but hey... no one's mother. Let them fk every day, all day for barely nothing, work from their own homes, and not screen... then, they can come right back here and cry about the things that happened as a result of stupidity. We cause most of our own problems, to be honest. There are so many operational strategies one can utilize that decrease stress associated with this business. Some are simply too greedy or too lazy to put them to use.

-- Modified on 1/24/2014 10:07:23 AM

All I meant really is that feeling pain after trauma isn't always a dysfunction. Not just in your situation, but in many situations that people encounter. Sometimes not feeling pain would be dysfunctional. It's not really a black and white issue. Compare it to guilt. That's a negative feeling and sensible people try to avoid it. So we assert that guilt is a bad thing. But if a serial killer, for instance, feels no guilt he is definitely a psychopath and in that case feeling guilt would be a sign of health.

So, likewise, if you don't suffer residual pain after trauma the mechanism protecting you from the pain is likely a more serious problem than PTS. Nevertheless, PTS can damage a life and one would be wise to deal with it.

Sometimes it can be a disorder, say if a carpenter whacks his thumb with a hammer and then breaks out in hives every time he goes to pound in a nail, I'd consider that a disorder because most reasonable people, blah, blah, blah, etc. You know the rest of that paragraph.

Still, you're right that emotion blows can be rolled with, and if you don't create problems you'll have a lot fewer of them.

I like how you write.

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